• Register
  • TOS
  • Privacy
  • @NeoGAF
  • Like

Zera_Bloodwinter
Member
(07-06-2017, 04:45 PM)
Zera_Bloodwinter's Avatar
Dailies for Ashe, that's about it. All I want and need from here. What blows is that I'll have to take all my L&A from TT and give them to Ashe. I have more than enough mage gear to get them both to 900+ mag I think though.
Kouriozan
Member
(07-06-2017, 04:46 PM)
Kouriozan's Avatar

Originally Posted by Zera_Bloodwinter

Dailies for Ashe, that's about it. All I want and need from here.

Same, couldn't get Rikku with dailies so Gumi owe me one Ashe.
NomarTyme
(07-06-2017, 04:50 PM)
NomarTyme's Avatar

Originally Posted by Zera_Bloodwinter

Dailies for Ashe, that's about it. All I want and need from here. What blows is that I'll have to take all my L&A from TT and give them to Ashe. I have more than enough mage gear to get them both to 900+ mag I think though.

Save one spot for dragon killer.

Going to try to pull for more than one ashe.
Mipcgamer
Member
(07-06-2017, 04:55 PM)
Mipcgamer's Avatar
Dailies only for dat Ashe too. Got a somewhat solid team and don't see too much room for her actually (less for two).

Last page hype.
EDarkness
Member
(07-06-2017, 04:56 PM)

Originally Posted by Vashetti

Why no Fran 5*

Why no bonus for Penelo and Fran, at all?

Make it 25% or even 20/15% if you have to.

Fran gets no love in this game. There is no justice, man.
Vashetti
Banned
(07-06-2017, 04:57 PM)

Originally Posted by Mipcgamer

Dailies only for dat Ashe too. Got a somewhat solid team and don't see too much room for her actually (less for two).

Last page hype.

Do we have to actually hit 20,000 posts or can I put it up now?
Pejo
Member
(07-06-2017, 04:57 PM)
Pejo's Avatar
Daily Galuf.

It's going to be that kind of day, huh FFBE?

Excited for the banner tomorrow. I had a ton saved up for FFX but got everything off of tickets, so I'm dumping to get an Ashe and hopefully that judge.
Syntsui
Member
(07-06-2017, 05:00 PM)
Syntsui's Avatar
First Ultima +2 done. This was extremely costly and now I need 12 more Gyancrysts for the next one >.>
Hippopuncher12
Member
(07-06-2017, 05:01 PM)
Hippopuncher12's Avatar

Originally Posted by Syntsui

First Ultima +2 done. This was extremely costly and now I need 12 more Gyancrysts for the next one >.>

5 away from double Ultima +2 myself. I haven't upgraded either of them at all yet though. If Mog King has 3 then I will refill like a madman until I get the last two from the vortex. I wanna see what 4 enhanced Ultima's looks like against an arena team.
sasuke_91
Member
(07-06-2017, 05:06 PM)
sasuke_91's Avatar
Wow thread is almost at 20k posts already...

10k raid coin pulls, finally. Now I can get 20 1* cactuars in a single pull o/
Mipcgamer
Member
(07-06-2017, 05:06 PM)
Mipcgamer's Avatar

Originally Posted by Vashetti

Do we have to actually hit 20,000 posts or can I put it up now?

I have no idea, I'm just a filthy junior member.
Zera_Bloodwinter
Member
(07-06-2017, 05:06 PM)
Zera_Bloodwinter's Avatar

Originally Posted by Kouriozan

Same, couldn't get Rikku with dailies so Gumi owe me one Ashe.

No tickets or lapis left bro? She really is an amazing top tier unit that is well worth a dip in the pot if you know what I mean.

Originally Posted by NomarTyme

Save one spot for dragon killer.

Going to try to pull for more than one ashe.

I think I have a Draco Spike or two. They should stack with the dragon killer materia right?
Kouriozan
Member
(07-06-2017, 05:08 PM)
Kouriozan's Avatar

Originally Posted by Zera_Bloodwinter

No tickets or lapis left bro? She really is an amazing top tier unit that is well worth a dip in the pot if you know what I mean.

I did get her with my first (4*) ticket, but

Originally Posted by Kouriozan

Won't use my 4* ticket for Rikku since I'm 100% sure I'll get her with a free daily.

(incoming off-banner pull)
Zera_Bloodwinter
Member
(07-06-2017, 05:14 PM)
Zera_Bloodwinter's Avatar

Originally Posted by Kouriozan

I did get her with my first (4*) ticket, but


(incoming off-banner pull)

Oh nice!

I got my first one in 3 tickets and should have just stopped there. 11k lapis later and no Tidus. I didn't even need him man. Feels bad, I feel stupid for wasting that lapis.
Syntsui
Member
(07-06-2017, 05:16 PM)
Syntsui's Avatar
I might get back to my whale days tomorrow, might.
NomarTyme
(07-06-2017, 05:16 PM)
NomarTyme's Avatar

Originally Posted by Zera_Bloodwinter

No tickets or lapis left bro? She really is an amazing top tier unit that is well worth a dip in the pot if you know what I mean.



I think I have a Draco Spike or two. They should stack with the dragon killer materia right?

Different source so yes it will stack with draco spike.
jnWake
Member
(07-06-2017, 05:18 PM)
jnWake's Avatar
Final Fantasy Brave Exvius |OT5| Not Global Exclusive
Zera_Bloodwinter
Member
(07-06-2017, 05:19 PM)
Zera_Bloodwinter's Avatar
Someone did a Fixed Dice Double Hand Tidus build. Beware, maths:

https://www.reddit.com/r/FFBraveExvi...perfect_chain/





Hello there,

Second time that I post here, first time was for a fan art.
I hope that this post will help most of you.

So, what if I told you there is a BiS Tidus, without enhancement, that use Fixed Dice (as some of you hate RNGesus, I won't say that it's BiS, so I name it near BiS)?

Iím not kidding.
I made some maths and saw that even if I loose a turn with Jecht Shot (without Chain, itís like a lost turn) in order to get the water element on Tidus, I do really similar damages over 5 turns than a ę BiS Ľ Tidus with Save The Queen, Brotherhood and Genji Glove.

(One these BiS builds, I didnít put limited time stuff like D. Rain TM)

So, here are the builds :

Fixed Dice here :

Tidus 6 Star
FFBEDB Unit Calculator
Right Hand: Fixed Dice +1ATK +1.2x-6.5x PD Multiplier
Head: Black Cowl +28ATK+25DEF+25SPR+100%Sleep
Body: Brave Suit +51DEF+15%ATK+15%MAG
Accessory 1: Bracer +30ATK+15%HP
Accessory 2: Ifrit's Claw +30ATK+20%Fire+100%Blind
Ability 1: Quick Assault +30%ATK +10%Evasion
Ability 2: Quick Assault +30%ATK +10%Evasion
Ability 3: Quick Assault +30%ATK +10%Evasion
Ability 4: Quick Assault +30%ATK +10%Evasion
Pot Stats: HP: 450 MP: 75 ATK: 30 DEF: 30 MAG: 30 SPR: 30
Esper: Odin HP:5450 MP:3955 ATK:6250 DEF:4310 MAG:2075 SPR:2270
Total Stats: HP: 6418 MP: 320 ATK: 675 DEF: 275 MAG: 194 SPR: 201
Genji Glove one here :

Tidus 6 Star
FFBEDB Unit Calculator
Right Hand: Save the Queen +112ATK
Left Hand: Brotherhood +135ATK+Water Element
Head: Black Cowl +28ATK+25DEF+25SPR+100%Sleep
Body: Demon Mail +10ATK+55DEF+20%Dark
Accessory 1: Bracer +30ATK+15%HP
Accessory 2: Genji Glove +10%ATK/MAG & Dual Wield
Ability 1: Dark Knight's Soul +30%ATKw/Sword +20%ATKw/HeavyArmor
Ability 2: Large Sword Mastery +50% ATK w/ Great Sword
Ability 3: Quick Assault +30%ATK +10%Evasion
Ability 4: Quick Assault +30%ATK +10%Evasion
Pot Stats: HP: 450 MP: 75 ATK: 30 DEF: 30 MAG: 30 SPR: 30
Esper: Odin HP:5450 MP:3955 ATK:6250 DEF:4310 MAG:2075 SPR:2270
Total Stats: HP: 6008 MP: 320 ATK: 966 DEF: 279 MAG: 186 SPR: 201
So, yes. I know, the attack is squared in damage formula, so, 966 - 112|135 = 854|831. Like 25% ATT more for each weapon than Fixed Dice one. Squared, itís like 56% damage more.

However, Fixed Dice damages, averaged give you 285% more damage (3,85x).

Not convinced ?
Well, letís do a simulation.

Best scenario for double Tidus with Fixed Dice is this one :
T1 : Jecht Shot,
T2 : Blitz Ace (LB),
T3 to T5 : Quick Hit. Then repeat again.

For double Tidus with Genji Build, itís :
T1 : Blitz Ace,
T2 to T5 : Quick Hit. Repeat again.
Donít forget that Fixed Dice take full profit of Blitz Ace damages unlike DW builds...

Letís do some calculation :

We will start with the easy calculation -> Jecht Shot.

Tidus 1 : 100% x 400% = 400%
Tidus 2 : 110% (chain, no water element yet on the weapon) x 400% = 440%
Blitz Ace, among its 16 hits, seems to have 14 that chains and break, then break again.

So, thatís like 410% for the first one (and 820% for the second Tidus thanks to the imperil).

Tidus 1 : (100% + 160% + 220% + 280% + 340% + 400% x 9 + 100% + 100%) / 16 = 306,25%
Tidus 2 : (130% + 190% + 250% + 310% + 370% + 400% x 9 + 130% + 130%) / 16 x2 = 638,75% (x2 cause the water debuff is up)
So, with imperil and LB modifier, itís :
Tidus 1 : 306,25% x 410% = 1255,625%
Tidus 2 : 319,375% x 410% x 2 = 2618,875%

Now, itís time to do Quick Hit.

We will see admit that DW can perfect chain easily.

Fixed Dice or for the first weapon on DW (as the second wave has a x4 chain bonus) :
Tidus 1 : (100% + 160% + 220% + 280% + 340% + 400% x 7) / 12 = 325%
Tidus 2 : (130% + 190% + 250% + 310% + 370% + 400% x 7) / 12 = 337,5%

So, with that average damages, we can calculate some effective modifier :
Tidus 1 : 325% x 400% x 2 = 2600%
Tidus 2 : 337,5% x 400% x 2 = 2700%

For the first strike of DW, as spark is mandatory (need to know if elementary spark is +50% or +70%) :
Tidus 1 : (100% + 200% + 300% + 400% x 9) / 12 = 350%
Tidus 2 : (150% + 250% + 350% + 400% x 9) / 12 = 362,5%

Here again, with that average damages, we can calculate some effective modifier :
Tidus 1 : 350% x 400% x 2 = 2800%
Tidus 2 : 362,5% x 400% x 2 = 2900%
The second weapon has 3200% (400% x 400% x 2).

Now, we have for Fixed Dice :
T1 : 840%,
T2 : 3874,5%,
T3 to T5 : 5300%

(840% + 3874,5% + 5300% x 3) x 3,85 x ATK^2 = 20614,5% x 3,85 x ATK^2 = 79365,825% x ATK^2

DMG = 79365,825% x 675^2 = 361 610 540 (against an enemy with only 1 on DEF of course, and that's over 5 turns)


With DW :
T1 : 3874,5% of the first weapon,
T2 to T5 : 5300% of the first weapon again and 6400% of the second one.
(3874,5% + 5700% x 4) x ATK1^2 + 6400% x 4 x ATK2^2 = 26674,5% x ATK1^2 + 25600% x ATK2^2

DMG = 25074,5% x 831^2 + 25600% x 854^2 = 370 908 589 over 5 turns
Now, let's compare turn by turn damage difference (cumulated) :

Turns Fixed Dice Dual Wield Diff
Turn 1 14 734 912 26 755 785 +82%
Turn 2 82 699 695 112 793 986 +36%
Turn 3 175 669 976 198 832 187 +13%
Turn 4 268 640 257 284 870 388 +6%
Turn 5 361 610 538 370 908 589 +2,5%
I know, Fixed Dice is still a bit worse, but just for 2,5% (and if you luckily spark chain, Fixed Dice will do more damage).
However, if thatís the way to do easy chain without macro, Iím okay with that.

Pro of this build :

It allows Tidus to reach 70% evasion!
4 to 5 frames of forgiveness for perfect chain versus 0. Even if you're late of 9/10 frames, you won't loose too much damage.
You can spam LB's for MP management, you won't loose that much damage (once debuff hit, each turn, it's like 5130,125% for LB vs. 5300% for Quick Hit).
You can do better damages than DW build if you spark chain.
The cons :

Too much RNG, so you could have a blowing 6,5x variance on Jecht Shot and 1,2x on Quick Hit. On long fight, it should averages to 3,85x.
The goal is to not rely on spark chain, so it's 2,5% less damage over 5 turns.
The fight has to last at least 4 turns if you don't want to loose too much damage (and that's only with an averaged RNG)
More players have to know this build in order to not kick you from their FL as your Tidus seems to be weak.
Tidus dies, he have to do Jecht Shot again. That's one more lost turn.
By the way, if you look at the percentage, you can see that damage modifier from weapon 1 to weapon 2 are really near while Dual Wielding. So if you can't do perfect chain, put your best weapon on your right hand. You won't loose that much damage if you achieve a perfect chain.

Thanks for your attention.
And sorry, english is not my native tongue... I tried my best to be as straightforward as possible.

Edit : I realised that DW needed spark chain in order to do the perfect chain. That change a bit the calculation. So, in the case you spark chain DW and not FD, DW is better damage wise while difficult to achieve macro. However, if you can spark chain FD too, this build is better.

Edit 2 : I'm still farming Brave Suit, I'm missing this part for this build, but you can add me if you wanna try the build with an another Fixed Dice Tidus (ID : 800,808,329, IGN : Charles).
Purple Cheeto
Member
(07-06-2017, 05:20 PM)
Did they fix the spherimorph fight?
Alkez
Member
(07-06-2017, 05:20 PM)
Alkez's Avatar

Originally Posted by Zera_Bloodwinter

I think I have a Draco Spike or two. They should stack with the dragon killer materia right?

Originally Posted by NomarTyme

Different source so yes it will stack with draco spike.

Is Ashe's main move like Ace's wildcard? I didn't realise physical killers would work with it.
DrROBschiz
Member
(07-06-2017, 05:24 PM)
DrROBschiz's Avatar

Originally Posted by Alkez

Is Ashe's main move like Ace's wildcard? I didn't realise physical killers would work with it.

No she just happens to have a physical attack and a magic attack that both do multihit
Hippopuncher12
Member
(07-06-2017, 05:25 PM)
Hippopuncher12's Avatar

Originally Posted by Syntsui

I might get back to my whale days tomorrow, might.

5 days until Prime Day. I'm gonna go nuts.
Eidjinn
Member
(07-06-2017, 05:28 PM)
Eidjinn's Avatar
GAF, who should I develop first, Setzer or Amelia?

As a chainer I only have Aileen.

Also, will she chain well with future Agrias 6*??
Vashetti
Banned
(07-06-2017, 05:32 PM)
OT5 - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1402038
UpDownLeftRight
Banned
(07-06-2017, 05:32 PM)
Any ideas what killer type the cactuars will be weak to in the upcoming raid or is he entirely new?

Trying to get some done, just got spirit killer and find out there's another right on it's heels lol
udca
Member
(07-06-2017, 05:43 PM)
udca's Avatar
Edit : will post on new thread

Thread Tools