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SparkTR
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(09-13-2017, 04:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by entremet

Not sure why people are discounting digital. Why would you want to switch discs all the time for an evergreen game like Destiny 2? That said it's an FPS in Japan for a console. It was not was never going to light up the charts.

Eh, for Japan specifically digital isn't going to make a massive impact. It's just not a big thing there compared to retail.
Mass Effect
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Ahh damn I REALLY hope we get those NPD numbers! It will make for a fun thread.

Originally Posted by ElBoxyBrown

Does that mean you don't have time for most RPGs?

Not sure what you're getting at here since many RPGs are story-driven, not loot-grinding driven.
ElBoxyBrown
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(09-13-2017, 04:18 PM)
D2 will have legs. If the content is gonna keep coming as Bungie promised we should see less dropout compared to the first game.

Originally Posted by Mass Effect

Not sure what you're getting at here since many RPGs are story-driven, not loot-grinding driven.

It's all one in the same to me with few exceptions.
phanphare
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(09-13-2017, 04:19 PM)

Originally Posted by RecRoulette

The power of McDonalds.

Hoho for breakfast
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(09-13-2017, 04:20 PM)
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Damn. And we havent heard a peep about US sales I don't think.

I still think digital sales for this game are relatively huge but who knows.
Stygr
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(09-13-2017, 04:21 PM)

Originally Posted by GearFourth

PC gaming is non existent in Japan.

Its first mobile. Second console. Fourth PC

I mean, is not that popular, but there is a good number of active Steam users and players in Japan not as much as other asian countries but the PC Gaming is existent.

Steam numbers

And this is PUBG, there are more Japanese players than Taiwanese, Sweden or other countries when PC Gaming is popular.


And this without counting DQXI, DD Online and other MMORPG's in Japan.
Principate
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(09-13-2017, 04:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by grfunkulus

Did it stop people from playing rabidly for 3 years. Is it going to stop people from doing the same with D2? No

And that's lol worthy coming from a guy with a pic of titanfall as his avatar. That game blushes at the player retention rate destiny has.

Hahahahahaha. Man something must have hit too close home. Haven't had someone being up my avatar due to weakness of their argument for years.
patapuf
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(09-13-2017, 04:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by entremet

Not sure why people are discounting digital. Why would you want to switch discs all the time for an evergreen game like Destiny 2? That said it's an FPS in Japan for a console. It was not was never going to light up the charts.

Digital makes up some of the difference for sure. But not 60%.

And the original release had a significant digital attach rate too.
BanjoLayleeYookaKazooie
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(09-13-2017, 04:22 PM)

Originally Posted by entremet

Not sure why people are discounting digital. Why would you want to switch discs all the time for an evergreen game like Destiny 2? That said it's an FPS in Japan for a console. It was not was never going to light up the charts.

No one should be discounting digital, I've had it well explained to me why a lot of Destiny 2 players buy digital, but there were quite a few people saying that the results in the U.K. were "worthless" without digital sales included, usually emphasised by the amazing "all of the people on my friends list bought Destiny 2 digital". And that's in the country we're you're looking at a 10 hike in price at the very least for buying the digital version.

But yeah for this thread's purposes there's not even that excuse. Maybe like 10,000 bought digital, it's still a massive drop.
random25
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(09-13-2017, 04:22 PM)
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We're talking about Japan here. They weren't that hot in D1, so not surprised that D2 fell off.
Bringer Of Bacon
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(09-13-2017, 04:22 PM)
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Ouch, sounds like it bombed. To be expected considering it looks the same as D1.
luulubuu
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(09-13-2017, 04:22 PM)
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I mean, is a battle royale mode coming to Destiny 2? no, right?
ExtinctionEvent
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(09-13-2017, 04:22 PM)

Originally Posted by bossmonkey

I don't know why this is surprising, digital content isn't included and PC hasn't been released yet. I know all but one or 2 of my friends bought it digital this time which was the reverse of D1. They showed 1.2 million concurrent users a few days ago without PC so it can't be selling too poorly.

Digital was a thing in 2014 too, and it's not enough to make up the gap, nor is there that many waiting to play on PC.
entremet
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(09-13-2017, 04:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by SparkTR

Eh, for Japan specifically digital isn't going to make a massive impact. It's just not a big thing there compared to retail.

Didn't Splatoon 2 do pretty well digitally? I don't think Japan is this digital wasteland people think. It just has to be an appealing product. Obviously, physical will still do better since Japan has a big used market and no game rentals.
Lord of Castamere
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(09-13-2017, 04:23 PM)
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I'm not really surprised. Verdict is still very much out, but I've been expecting most of the fall games to underpreform(compared to pub expectations), reviews dependent(for stuff like FbW, Wolf 2, AC:O, and EW2). The big 3 multi titles especially. None of them wowed. No flops, but plenty of disappointment. Except for Mario, and Pubg, nothing is certain.
Lucifon
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(09-13-2017, 04:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by Auctopus

A lot of people were missold Destiny 1, it really ended up being something that it wasn't marketed to be. Those people know better this time.

Hell, even Destiny 2 was technically mis-marketed - a good chunk of the game is raiding, loot-dropping etc. It's only because veteran fans knew what they were getting that the overly cinematic/story-heavy marketing isn't paid any mind.

This - Destiny 1 burnt a lot of people, I'm not surprised numbers are lower. I also feel like there's been a fair amount less marketing this time round.
RandomHopeInc
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(09-13-2017, 04:24 PM)
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I don't think these numbers mean anything. The PC exists now, and the world is moving toward digital collectively. Until tracking digital sales becomes the norm, sales numbers are very flimsy in my opinion.
Sir_Stoo
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(09-13-2017, 04:27 PM)
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Do we have the Knack 2 digital numbers yet?

Could be best-selling game of the year given the sudden move to digital that happened this month.
wild wild rice
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(09-13-2017, 04:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sir_Stoo

Do we have the Knack 2 digital numbers yet?

Could be best-selling game of the year given the sudden move to digital that happened this month.

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(09-13-2017, 04:28 PM)
Think about how Destiny 1 was sold: the new thing from the guys who made Halo. A strange and curious game world where you travelled the solar system facing darkness. The single flame of hope held fast by the traveler's gaze. It sounded very engrossing and exciting. It drew in people looking to scratch the co-op MMOish itch, but also lots of people interested to see how that all would play out.

This time around they triple down on the stuff only those who stuck with Destiny would like: lots of humor/slapstick, emphasis on a Borderlands-esque time filled with guitar riffs and bad jokes. As someone who got dangerously close to buying Destiny, I didn't once even consider buying Destiny 2.

Also, those citing the 1.2M concurrent number: it's near launch and that'll probably stay the peak for the game for until the next expansion at least. Doesn't mean it sold on the level of Destiny 1 (which did 2 mil in the US alone iirc), just that it sold well enough to have 1.2M online at one time across the world.
Nowise10
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(09-13-2017, 04:28 PM)
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Yeah I don't understand why digital tracking being included isn't a thing yet. Nearly every friend I know exclusively buys digital, which I couldn't say 3-4-5 years ago. I was exclusively "I like discs!" until 2014, and I guarantee that number is growing rapidly in time.
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(09-13-2017, 04:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by entremet

Didn't Splatoon 2 do pretty well digitally? I don't think Japan is this digital wasteland people think. It just has to be an appealing product. Obviously, physical will still do better since Japan has a big used market and no game rentals.

Japanese digital ratios are well recorded . Even in best case scenario they're not even close to being able to offset this loss considering destiny 1 was also sold digitally so your looking at at most a 10-15 percent increase best case scenario.
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Coxy100
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(09-13-2017, 04:30 PM)

Originally Posted by Sir_Stoo

Do we have the Knack 2 digital numbers yet?

Could be best-selling game of the year given the sudden move to digital that happened this month.

made me laugh! And I have to agree - the way some people keep banging on about digital does make me smile :)
ItWasMeantToBe19
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(09-13-2017, 04:30 PM)
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Kind of interesting that Destiny and Watch Dogs didn't get the same benefit of the doubt that Assassin's Creed got (where the first game was meh but people wanted the sequel)
KingBroly
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(09-13-2017, 04:31 PM)
I'm interested to see how PC affects Destiny 2.
blakep267
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(09-13-2017, 04:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by franklyshankly

Well, yeah. Did anyone really not expect this?

Initially I expected more along the lines of a first person shooter mass effect with loot and going to many diffferent planets
family_guy
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(09-13-2017, 04:32 PM)
Maybe people are waiting. The Taken King package a year or two ago was a better deal than buying vanilla Destiny, the two expansions, and then the Taken King all separately.
iRAWRasaurus
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(09-13-2017, 04:32 PM)
No waifu no sell.
funkystudent
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(09-13-2017, 04:33 PM)
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Wonder what they do with D3 now.


D2 doesnt exactly seem like it's meeting expectations. These huge 60% drops in performance can't be handwaved away with digital sales. Roll on US numbers to see if it's a WW thing I guess.
Bsigg12
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(09-13-2017, 04:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by Nowise10

Yeah I don't understand why digital tracking being included isn't a thing yet. Nearly every friend I know exclusively buys digital, which I couldn't say 3-4-5 years ago. I was exclusively "I like discs!" until 2014, and I guarantee that number is growing rapidly in time.

Because it's entirely up to Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo to report those numbers and we all know how much they hate sharing those numbers unless they are astronomical.
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(09-13-2017, 04:33 PM)
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Considering this doesn't include digital sales and it's only about Japan, calling it a bomb is kinda laughable.
Zojirushi
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(09-13-2017, 04:34 PM)

Originally Posted by Hero

That's a big drop, wonder what the reason is?

I mean lots of people were disappointed when Destiny first came out. Can't say I'm surprised people are apparently more careful this time around.
ElBoxyBrown
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(09-13-2017, 04:35 PM)

Originally Posted by funkystudent

Wonder what they do with D3 now.


D2 doesnt exactly seem like it's meeting expectations. These huge drops in performance can't be handwaved away with digital sales

We're way too early to make these judges.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Originally Posted by funkystudent

Wonder what they do with D3 now.


D2 doesnt exactly seem like it's meeting expectations. These huge drops in performance can't be handwaved away with digital sales

D3 will be next Gen so they may be able to wow people again with the power of the PS5.
patapuf
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(09-13-2017, 04:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by LiK

Considering this doesn't include digital sales and it's only about Japan, calling it a bomb is kinda laughable.

It's not going to be a bomb.

Even with a 60% drop it's the biggest launch this year in the UK.

It's just that Destiny 1 was huge, and it looks like D2, at least at launch, isn't going to match that performance.
Primethius
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(09-13-2017, 04:36 PM)
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It seems I forgot that digital sales were only invented after the release of Destiny 1.
Gurrry
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(09-13-2017, 04:37 PM)
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Im glad to see that people arent double dipping. Im patiently waiting for the PC version. Looks like Japan might be too.
RecRoulette
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Originally Posted by funkystudent

Wonder what they do with D3 now.


D2 doesnt exactly seem like it's meeting expectations. These huge 60% drops in performance can't be handwaved away with digital sales. Roll on US numbers to see if it's a WW thing I guess.

Destiny 3 would ideally tie in with a new generation of consoles. (which would potentially lead to another Destiny 1 clusterfuck)
shaneo632
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(09-13-2017, 04:37 PM)
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This was always gonna be a rental at most after I bought into the hype for the first one and ended up disappointed.

Not even sure I'm gonna rent it now. So many other games to play this year that aren't centered around grinding.
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Originally Posted by ElBoxyBrown

It's all one in the same to me with few exceptions.

Well if that's how you feel...

but for me there's definitely a difference, especially since a lot of those story-driven RPGs don't require much (if any) grinding these days. Plus there's a definite end* to most of them; you beat the game and experience the story. There's not much of an end-game to Destiny's (and similar games) infinite hamster wheel of grinding, especially when the up the level cap/light level every six months or so.

Still play the games, but I understand why people don't want to invest time into that kind of grind. And hell, even if you have to grind in, say, Fire Emblem, at least there's still an end goal to that grinding: finishing the game. You don't "finish" Destiny.

(*not counting infinitely generating side quests or something like in Skyrim)
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Originally Posted by Patrick S.

Is there no school uniform armour? That may explain it.

High School bikini witches.

Honestly though I think Vault of Glass belongs in the video game hall of fame and Crota was solid. The other raids were tepid and uninspired. Folks probably lost interest.
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(09-13-2017, 04:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by Yearsoflurking

Not surprised destiny 2 feels more like an expansion pack for me.

Yeah exactly the vibe i am getting from all the videos I have seen.
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Originally Posted by Primethius

It seems I forgot that digital sales were only invented after the release of Destiny 1.

Obviously that alone is not going to make up the difference but it's been 3 years since D1 and digital has taken off. Also many people learned from D1 to buy D2 digital.
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Originally Posted by Yearsoflurking

Not surprised destiny 2 feels more like an expansion pack for me.

That's what I posted here many times, after getting the final product I can say that I was wrong
ExtinctionEvent
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(09-13-2017, 04:40 PM)

Originally Posted by LiK

Considering this doesn't include digital sales and it's only about Japan, calling it a bomb is kinda laughable.

Who called it a bomb?
CREMSteve
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(09-13-2017, 04:40 PM)
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Any sales numbers that don't include digital are so meaningless, aside from being a good indicator of how many more people are going digital these days.

And as many have already mentioned, I know many are waiting for the PC release as well, so they've yet to jump in.
ExtinctionEvent
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(09-13-2017, 04:42 PM)

Originally Posted by mikelarry

Yeah exactly the vibe i am getting from all the videos I have seen.

Thenn play the game...videos are not going to give you a full picture. Its a sequel by any measure.
ArjanN
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(09-13-2017, 04:43 PM)
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Don't think sales in Japan really mean much for Destiny 2 sales worldwide

They've had over a million concurrent players so they've must sold a couple million copies already.
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Originally Posted by KingBroly

I'm interested to see how PC affects Destiny 2.

I predict a good 300-600k extra but it's not going to be insane.

I just don't know if this type of game will resonate with the PC audience.

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