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COMICS!!! |OT| July 2017 | Princess, I've Seen the Way You Look At Me.

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https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/07/27/else-can-find-marvel-book-previews-catalogue-early-2018/

New Thanos OGN from Starlin in April and it's the start of a new trilogy. Yeeesss. I might also go for that giant Infinity Gauntlet boxset out in March. Better start saving now though.

I feel like I'm the only guy who read and loved trilogy he did over the last year or two, but apparently not if they are letting him do more.

EDIT: Actually it was 4 parts, not a trilogy (5 parts if you count the annual).
 
I feel like I'm the only guy who read and loved trilogy he did over the last year or two, but apparently not if they are letting him do more.

EDIT: Actually it was 4 parts, not a trilogy (5 parts if you count the annual).

I liked it D:

Was nice to see Warlock, Annihilators etc again and not written like idiots. Did you check out the Thanos vs Hulk miniseries Starlin did like a year or two ago?
 
Jason Aaron tweeted with these images "It begins at the dawn of man. It ends with the Final Host.".

I mean, I guess it's not the worst concept, but I'm getting worn out by these "Captain America but evil!" or "Avengers but ________!" It's the comics equivalent of hot takes.
 
[Six months behind on MU]

Iceman's Inhuman boyfriend has a pretty on-the-nose name. Romeo. Their families are having a war, and they're all star-crossed and caught up in the middle of it.
 
No alternate timeline Avengers can be as good as James Stokoe's so what's the point
The one from when Marvel did those Future one-shots?
I'm still waiting for "Avengers but they're actually the Avengers" myself.

It's time to bring back The Retaliators:
earth-8-multiversity-0klkw.jpg
 
This might seem kind of odd

but I am worried when Stan Lee passes away

their is going to be so many articles that pop up about accusing him of being a "fraud" and Kirby being the true creator of the characters that we all love


I mean I love Kirby, he is the greatest comic book figure in my opinion, but there is already that revisionism among fans who think Lee was just a businessman and had nothing to do with the marvel icons
 

Figboy79

Aftershock LA
I'm sure Stan's not too concerned about it.

Let people have their foolish revisionist history. I think most folks know that both Kirby and Lee had a hand in creating and shaping the Marvel universe as we know it. For me, personally, I don't care by how much percentages each party contributed, but it does matter to me that people get the credit that they deserve. As long as Kirby is getting some kind of recognition, I think that's great. It's not a Bill Finger/Bob Kane situation, thankfully.
 

frye

Member
Tegan O'Neil wrote a little about Lee in a really cogent way in her (very much worth reading) essay about Marvels and a bunch of other stuff

Because of his steadfast support of the company line against artists and other creators who spoke up against Marvel, he is also an ethically toxic figure. While much of the world without any extensive knowledge of the issues at hand consider him to be synonymous with Marvel, and surely the prime mover behind the company's greatest achievements, many in the comics community conversely underrate his contributions for those reasons. He will remain a vexing figure for cultural historians for so long as Marvel remains an object of fascination and study – that is, for many decades to come.

If he had done just a few things differently, just a few decisions and decisive actions across a career spanning over eighty years, this conversation would be different. And a part of me hates him for that, hates him for having imprinted himself on generations of readers who grew up loving Smilin' Stan only to later learn the truth of the matter. He's not a hero but he's not quite a villain, either – his great sin was to have been consistently wrong about almost every major ethical challenge he faced as both a creator and a businessman. At every turn he thought he was making the right decision for the good of his company. He won every battle but lost the war.

For decades he almost certainly considered his lifelong struggle with Goodman (Marvel's founder, his uncle, and constant foil) to be the defining conflict of his professional life. Now Goodman is a minor player in the story of Lee & Jack Kirby & Steve Ditko, one of the great morasses of comics history, coming in third only to DC's barbaric treatment of Joe Siegel and Jerry Shuster following the creation of Superman, and that company's erasure of Bill Finger from the creation of Batman. Unlike the faceless businessmen who stole Superman for a song – and certainly unlike Bob Kane, whose portrait runs in the dictionary alongside the definition of ”shitheel" – it is impossible to hear Lee speak now and not hear some degree of honest regret in his treatment of Kirby and Ditko. But regret for what, exactly, he seems unsure. Where his own culpability begins is a question he cannot begin to answer.

It didn't have to be this way. Because he did write those comics. He did co-create those characters. Both Kirby and Ditko are immensely talented creators whose solo work, while enduringly great, is also inescapably eccentric. Every creator to tackle Kirby's solo characters in his wake has struggled to replicate his magic combination of bombast and guileless invention. Every attempt to revamp Ditko's solo work has began with the wholesale jettisoning of the uncompromising and astringent integrity at the heart of his vision of the world. But Spider-Man endures, and does so in large part because he speaks in Stan Lee's voice. The Fantastic Four endure not just because of the visual splendor at the heart of the concept but because Lee framed the stories as grounded domestic comedy. That's him. His name deserves to be on that creator credit just as much as any of his collaborators, even if it also deserves an asterisk.

There's a certain kind of comics reader who takes the line of "Kirby and Ditko were the auteurs and behind it all and Lee was a fraud who just put his name on everything," which I think really came into its own in the 90s when Kirby was suing Marvel but it's also reductive. He *wasn't* a businessman who contributed nothing, but it's also ahistorical to not mention how much Kirby and Ditko resented him over the undue credit they felt was given to him, especially in the early years.

e: also there will be way more articles about Smilin' Stan than there ever will be about Stan the Conman
 
I just cant see them relabel a finally a bit successfull X-Men book yet again.

Have we determined that the new line is successful?

That's pretty bad

The Iceman art posted there certainly isn't great. But Jean Grey's art is good, imo.

Ugh at the never-ending Marvel complaints in this thread. Mostly about stuff that hasn't even happened yet. Jeez, guys, go get some exercise or something.

Read The Wild Storm #6 today and this series is freaking awesome. The characters, the dialogue, the action, the art. Just so wow.

Also, have you guys read Generation Gone #1 yet? Because you should really read Generation Gone. Support Kot. He's an actually interesting and creative comic creator.
 

Messi

Member
Have we determined that the new line is successful?



The Iceman art posted there certainly isn't great. But Jean Grey's art is good, imo.

Ugh at the never-ending Marvel complaints in this thread. Mostly about stuff that hasn't even happened yet. Jeez, guys, go get some exercise or something.

Read The Wild Storm #6 today and this series is freaking awesome. The characters, the dialogue, the action, the art. Just so wow.

Also, have you guys read Generation Gone #1 yet? Because you should really read Generation Gone. Support Kot. He's an actually interesting and creative comic creator.

We are boycotting him until he ends his boycott with here. He wouldn't even tell us what his favourite anime was.


Bonus, former champion JC.

 
New Super-Man is great. That
"I am Iron Man"
moment at the end of #2 was fun! Kong is such an idiot but he doesn't irritate me (like early Damian).

I can now actually recommend three Rebirth titles!

Green Arrow
New Super-Man
Superman
 

IrishNinja

Member
anyone from here going to supercon in fort lauderdale this weekend? i can't wait!

It feels like Secret Empire has been going on forever. The last time I felt like this was... Siege?

yeah i just finished this weeks & its hard to imagine 2 more issues, like im having fun here & there but the "real" (?) red skull/shirtless steve combo story is getting old too, let's do something here

Anyone have a guess as to how many omnibus volumes Hickman's Avengers will end up being?

as many as my shelf can hold

This might seem kind of odd

but I am worried when Stan Lee passes away

their is going to be so many articles that pop up about accusing him of being a "fraud" and Kirby being the true creator of the characters that we all love

I mean I love Kirby, he is the greatest comic book figure in my opinion, but there is already that revisionism among fans who think Lee was just a businessman and had nothing to do with the marvel icons

i was like this myself forever, but stuff like untold tales of marvel helped - while it's not a kane/finger situation, stan did do wrong by some of his contemporaries, but he did create & the marvel/stan lee method of writing was shitty & burdened artists too much but the house of ideas woudln't be what it is without his work ethic & ridiculous editing from that era too
 
anyone from here going to supercon in fort lauderdale this weekend? i can't wait!



yeah i just finished this weeks & its hard to imagine 2 more issues, like im having fun here & there but the "real" (?) red skull/shirtless steve combo story is getting old too, let's do something here



as many as my shelf can hold



i was like this myself forever, but stuff like untold tales of marvel helped - while it's not a kane/finger situation, stan did do wrong by some of his contemporaries, but he did create & the marvel/stan lee method of writing was shitty & burdened artists too much but the house of ideas woudln't be what it is without his work ethic & ridiculous editing from that era too



3 more issues. They added another, so it's 10 now.
 

akira28

Member
i like how all those loyal Yellow Lanterns who supposedly ate it when Jordan killed Sinestro suddenly reappear on the latest cover to be part of the new evil Yellow Lantern bullshit.

and it is bullshit. Soranik's heel turn was so contrived.
 

tim1138

Member
i like how all those loyal Yellow Lanterns who supposedly ate it when Jordan killed Sinestro suddenly reappear on the latest cover to be part of the new evil Yellow Lantern bullshit.

and it is bullshit. Soranik's heel turn was so contrived.

Yeah that arc took a nosedive real quick and was made worse by EvS art. Between this and Venditti attempting to write the New Gods again for the next arc, that's me done with the book.
 
I enjoyed JC but that's not nice. I enjoy JC more when he is mean to people I don't like.
Rave is the bad guy here for tagging Ales tbh
Tegan O'Neil wrote a little about Lee in a really cogent way in her (very much worth reading) essay about Marvels and a bunch of other stuff



There's a certain kind of comics reader who takes the line of "Kirby and Ditko were the auteurs and behind it all and Lee was a fraud who just put his name on everything," which I think really came into its own in the 90s when Kirby was suing Marvel but it's also reductive. He *wasn't* a businessman who contributed nothing, but it's also ahistorical to not mention how much Kirby and Ditko resented him over the undue credit they felt was given to him, especially in the early years.

e: also there will be way more articles about Smilin' Stan than there ever will be about Stan the Conman
bookmarking this
 

VanWinkle

Member
New Super-Man is great. That
"I am Iron Man"
moment at the end of #2 was fun! Kong is such an idiot but he doesn't irritate me (like early Damian).

I can now actually recommend three Rebirth titles!

Green Arrow
New Super-Man
Superman

Such a fun book. Kong is a lovable jerk.
 

IrishNinja

Member
Tegan O'Neil wrote a little about Lee in a really cogent way in her (very much worth reading) essay about Marvels and a bunch of other stuff

There's a certain kind of comics reader who takes the line of "Kirby and Ditko were the auteurs and behind it all and Lee was a fraud who just put his name on everything," which I think really came into its own in the 90s when Kirby was suing Marvel but it's also reductive. He *wasn't* a businessman who contributed nothing, but it's also ahistorical to not mention how much Kirby and Ditko resented him over the undue credit they felt was given to him, especially in the early years.

e: also there will be way more articles about Smilin' Stan than there ever will be about Stan the Conman

damn, thank you for this
 
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