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Star Wars: The Last Jedi |OT| It's Time For Silly OT Titles...TO END...

longdi

longdi

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If only Snoke was some sneaky guerrilla sith in disguise, who does shady things to Kylo when Luke wasnt looking...

Rian and JJ obviously wrote their own scripts separately. The NT is feeling more like DCU, not much thoughts put in for it to be a successful movierse for the next 10 years.

TFA was serviceable, if you exclude the First Order, have some old school magic, and added some mystery.

Rogue One was a poorly directed film with Starwars license, and forgettable everything.

TLJ is a poor directly film with Starwars license, that decided to shat on TFA because Rian thought he is smart to circumvent all expectations, hehe.

The Solo movie is going to bomb hard.
 
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Z3M0G

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Watching the Mr. Plinkett "review" of The Force Awakens from a year ago... he gets into detail about a popular theory about Rae:

https://youtu.be/miVRaoR_8xQ?t=1h19m6s

That she is a product of a "convergence of the force", born from a Virgin much like Anakin was, left on the planet as a child perhaps by Luke himself, destined to follow Anakin's path and be tempted by the dark side (under Kylo I'm assuming) and become a Female Darth Vader

So... without actual TLJ spoilers please... could things be heading this way?
 
digoutyoursoul

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longdi said:
If only Snoke was some sneaky guerrilla sith in disguise, who does shady things to Kylo when Luke wasnt looking...

Rian and JJ obviously wrote their own scripts separately. The NT is feeling more like DCU, not much thoughts put in for it to be a successful movierse for the next 10 years.

TFA was serviceable, if you exclude the First Order, have some old school magic, and added some mystery.

Rogue One was a poorly directed film with Starwars license, and forgettable everything.

TLJ is a poor directly film with Starwars license, that decided to shat on TFA because Rian thought he is smart to circumvent all expectations, hehe.

The Solo movie is going to bomb hard.
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I can't see it bombing commercially, there is a Obi Wan movie coming too I think
 
Rocket Number 22

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Z3M0G said:
Watching the Mr. Plinkett "review" of The Force Awakens from a year ago... he gets into detail about a popular theory about Rae:

https://youtu.be/miVRaoR_8xQ?t=1h19m6s

That she is a product of a "convergence of the force", born from a Virgin much like Anakin was, left on the planet as a child perhaps by Luke himself, destined to follow Anakin's path and be tempted by the dark side (under Kylo I'm assuming) and become a Female Darth Vader

So... without actual TLJ spoilers please... could things be heading this way?
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MAYBE, her parentage was told but the source was/could be questionable. It could easily be retconned, confirmed or ignored in the next movie.
 
ShirAhava

ShirAhava

Plays with kids toys, in the adult gaming world
Star Wars: The Last Jedi gets a 10 out of 10

In living up to delusional fans preconceived notions...I'd give it a ZERO
 
DreadfulOmen

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caffeware said:
I don't care that they killed Snoke, but how it was done.

Ben, got his asked kicked in TFA.

But it was fine, many assumed he will train under Snoke and become a real badass.

Now we find Snoke is a wimp. So now what?
How is Kylo getting stronger now? If he doesn't, why would I care when he had be beaten so many times by now.

I assume he got another beating by Rey in the throne room after they killed all the guards...
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I feel the same. It's not about snope dying, it was how he got taken out so easily.
 
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luxsol

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DreadfulOmen said:
I feel the same. It's not about snope dying, it was how he got taken out so easily.
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I like the way he died.

Pretty sneaky, especially after showing how powerful he is.

Why was he powerful? Who cares.
Who was he? Who cares.
Why did anyone ever listen to him? Who cares.
He was nothing but a throw away plot point like something out of a cheesy 80s cartoon or bad Japanese RPG.

So many neat things about the movie that ultimately didn't mean anything, because the writer/director didn't care and were thrown away.
 
ThatStupidLion

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Ive got a lot of gripes, but can some one explain to me the FO bb8, his purpose, and a reason to justify the amount of screen time he got..

The only reason i have is he was the one who would spot bb8 in the garbage can and alert everyone, but then its like they went back and shoehorned benecio del toros character in who throws them under the bus anyways, making FO bb8 completely useless and waste of screen time Rey needed for Jedi training.

100% bb8 and fobb8 face off next film? Or 0% because the films dont take into accnt any prior lore?

Also i still think reys parents are gonna be someone special and kylo was just keeping it from her to get her to turn...but thatd make too much sense right?

Best way to sum up these new star wars imo is “one viewing is enough”
 
Nikana

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heckmanimation said:
Ive got a lot of gripes, but can some one explain to me the FO bb8, his purpose, and a reason to justify the amount of screen time he got..

The only reason i have is he was the one who would spot bb8 in the garbage can and alert everyone, but then its like they went back and shoehorned benecio del toros character in who throws them under the bus anyways, making FO bb8 completely useless and waste of screen time Rey needed for Jedi training.

100% bb8 and fobb8 face off next film? Or 0% because the films dont take into accnt any prior lore?

Also i still think reys parents are gonna be someone special and kylo was just keeping it from her to get her to turn...but thatd make too much sense right?

Best way to sum up these new star wars imo is “one viewing is enough”
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They want to sell merchandise with bb8. Same as the little screaming fur ball things on Luke's hideaway planet.
 
FMbarbarian

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opoth said:
Ban me. I don't fit in here anymore, I liked TLJ and won't die a virgin.
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Good call with that ban request. You’ll have better chances of losing your virginity if you’re not spending time getting upset at people for not liking a movie you liked online.
 
BANGS

BANGS

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Finally got to see the movie with my own eyes last night. While every complaint about this movie is valid, it's still an awesome movie and filled with plenty of great scenes. Loved it. Will watch again, possibly in theaters.

You DO unfortunately gotta turn parts of your brain off a bit and not over analyze the really dumb plot/character decisions that were made, but I'm fine with that. Star Wars isn't exactly "the intellectual man's" movie series...
 
ThatStupidLion

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BANGS said:
Finally got to see the movie with my own eyes last night. While every complaint about this movie is valid, it's still an awesome movie and filled with plenty of great scenes. Loved it. Will watch again, possibly in theaters.

You DO unfortunately gotta turn parts of your brain off a bit and not over analyze the really dumb plot/character decisions that were made, but I'm fine with that. Star Wars isn't exactly "the intellectual man's" movie series...
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as a standalone movie, it's a throwaway entertaining romp, a la standard marvel action epics...

as a SW saga movie, it's atrocious and disservice.
 
BANGS

BANGS

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Star Wars has always been atrocious. Or at least, anything after the original trilogy has been, but there's plenty of criticism to be had of those movies as well...

It certainly serviced me just fine lmfao. There was definitely alot of bullshit in it, and alot that was just lazily thrown away, but there was so much great content as well that I can't ignore...
 
BANGS

BANGS

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Z3M0G said:
Wow... so...

- The First Order
ended up being tossed out as a threat
?
- The movie title "The Last Jedi"
has no context to the film
?
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Nothing happens overall to push the story forward
?
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Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong...
 
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Z3M0G

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BANGS said:
Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong...
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Well that's good... yet again, I question her reviews...

Edit: Yah... had to check and she shat on Rogue One... definitely done with her.

I hated her Ghost in the Shell 2017 related videos, but I noticed she was one of the Critics in the TLJ Tomato Meter score, so I got curious about her review... I should have known better.
 
ThatStupidLion

ThatStupidLion

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Z3M0G said:
Wow... so...

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Nothing happens overall to push the story forward
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i mean stuff happens... but it's pretty useless and minimal advancement in terms of story.

the main plot is now just
revenge on rey by kylo
i'm sure more will happen obviously, but yeah disney is free to create a bunch of new arcs now without being too tied down.
 
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Sanojio

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This movie was inconsistent as all hell and hated space Monaco and how luke was characterized but I loved Kylos development, clownish hux and jobber snoke.

Like I fucking started laughing in the theatre when i saw that jobber snoke scene. I could not believe it. And Snoke’s robe was gangster as fuck.
 
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plasmawave

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Z3M0G said:
Still haven't seen the movie... but watching the Non-Spoiler (still semi spoiler) portion of this review:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttOoEbj0VL4&feature=youtu.be

Wow... so...

- The First Order
ended up being tossed out as a threat
?
- The movie title "The Last Jedi"
has no context to the film
?
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Nothing happens overall to push the story forward
?
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Rian Johnson was too busy trying to subvert people's expectations and forgot to tell a good story.
 
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MC Safety

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Marty-esque said:
I don't get why Kylo Ren says " fuck this shit. Let's do our own thing" but then becomes the new Supreme Leader anyway.
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Because his own thing translates to killing the boss and taking over his job. That's what Anakin wanted, too, in both the prequels and the original films.

The moral of the story is: Don't overthink Star Wars. Its creators didn't, and you shouldn't, either.
 
BANGS

BANGS

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MC Safety said:
The moral of the story is: Don't overthink Star Wars. Its creators didn't, and you shouldn't, either.
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Exactly right. I keep hearing about how they broke star wars and stuff with this film but let's not pretend any of the other films was some grand masterpieces meant to be taken way too seriously. They all had their own serious flaws as well if you overthink them like people are doing with TLJ...
 
Kadayi

Kadayi

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BANGS said:
Exactly right. I keep hearing about how they broke star wars and stuff with this film but let's not pretend any of the other films was some grand masterpieces meant to be taken way too seriously. They all had their own serious flaws as well if you overthink them like people are doing with TLJ...
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I can't say I cared for the prequels all that much but the original trilogy had some coherence to them in terms of storytelling and given this new trilogy was hailed as being a return to form, so far it's not proven to be the case.

It's all very well to drag out the 'made for kids' defence, but the LOTR trilogy was principally made for kids as well and that turned out to be pretty good (I'll cut Jackson a break on the Hobbit films as he got dragged into those at the last minute). Fact of the matter is Disney didn't put the effort in to plan out a trilogy, they just roped in Abrams off the back of the (questionable) success of the Star Trek reboot and he just delivered up a retread of ANH that largely undid the events of RoTJ trading off of familiar iconography of the old films for that fan feelgood factor with little regard as to where the storyline was going or how it needed to be taken forward. The lack of ownership of narrative direction is kind of astounding truthfully.
 
Sapiens

Sapiens

Member
What sucks about 8 is that it throws away a lot of JJ boring bullshit and gives us something kind of interesting...only to hand the toy box back to JJ again!

Oh well.
 
TGO

TGO

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Sapiens said:
What sucks about 8 is that it throws away a lot of JJ boring bullshit and gives us something kind of interesting...only to hand the toy box back to JJ again!

Oh well.
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It's gives nothing, TLJ just takes away
What other than Fin and Rose do we have going into Episode IX?
 
(mat)

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I enjoyed it. I'm not a die-hard fan, though, so take that with a grain of salt.

Leia pulling herself back to the ship was kind of cool, to me. I also didn't mind Finn's subplot. Luke being a projection of some kind was absolutely awesome in my eyes. He's an old hermit, but he still found a way to use his skills to kick some ass and get under Kylo's skin. The one part that didn't sit well with me was Luke dying at the end.

What an unnecessary trope to end it on. Yuck.

Edit:

Oh! I forgot to mention, I LOVED having Yoda back - in full puppet form! I was grinning from ear to ear the entire time he was on screen. Fantastic cameo!
 
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luxsol

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(mat) said:
I enjoyed it. I'm not a die-hard fan, though, so take that with a grain of salt.

Leia pulling herself back to the ship was kind of cool, to me. I also didn't mind Finn's subplot. Luke being a projection of some kind was absolutely awesome in my eyes. He's an old hermit, but he still found a way to use his skills to kick some ass and get under Kylo's skin. The one part that didn't sit well with me was Luke dying at the end.

What an unnecessary trope to end it on. Yuck.

Edit:

Oh! I forgot to mention, I LOVED having Yoda back - in full puppet form! I was grinning from ear to ear the entire time he was on screen. Fantastic cameo!
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I did not like that Yoda, since they made him retarded like his pre-reveal self in ESB and not post-reveal ESB and RotJ.
Rian misses a lot about his characterization by making him that way, since in the prequels he doesn't behave that way, even with the younglings, where his tone is basically an adult talking down to kids, not retarded

Only shows how bad Rian is at making a Star Wars film.
 
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gollumsluvslave

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I wasn't too keen on TFA, really enjoyed Rogue One and felt that TLJ sits somewhere between the 2.

TFS I thought suffered from 2 main things - being pretty much a retread of A New Hope, and an annoying em non-entity of a villain in Kylo Ren.

TLJ shares the Kylo issue for me - whilst Driver wasn't quite as nails down blackboard as he was in TFA, I still can't get onboard with him as the main villain. Simply does not work for me.

Other than that main complaint, TLJ was a mixed bag - some stuff worked really well, others not so much.

+ Laura Dern - best use of hyper drive in the series!
+ Subverting tropes / expectations on certain things (Snoke/Parentage) - really liked to see this, freshened things up
+ Daisy was great

- Disneyfication continues... fucking Porgs! Chewbacca relegated to comedy bit-part
- I thought Finn was the best thing from TFA and John Boyega was utterly wasted in TLJ
- Casino side-quest was a waste of space IMO (apart from Benicio who was great)

Aside from all that, I think I also have to accept that I've grown up a fair bit (43 now) and probably the OT if it came out now would not be as great as when it came out. It was a product of time and space and the whole filmic landscape, and expecting anything in this day and age to recapture that is nearly impossible.

My 2c
 
hivsteak

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Lets pool together our money, buy the star wars brand, and democratically license it out to those who can deliver a well written script.
 
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120v

Member
i held off watching it in theaters, saw it for the first time a few days ago.

can't really put my finger on why but it just didn't feel like star wars at all. and i don't mean "star wars" in terms of lightsabers, pew pew lasers, the force, ect, but rather the "saga". i get TFA was supposed to be the soft reboot but i thought this would kind of pick up where RotJ left off in terms of lore, why luke didn't particularly 'balance the force' after all but it was just "nope, here's some new sith and jedi, or you don't have to call them that, but whatever" and some allegory about letting the past go to make it not seem so flippant

i dunno. i guess i just have to acknowledge star wars as i knew it ended with RotJ and for better or worse whatever it is now, it is what it is
 
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mrkgoo

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When I was the kind of Star Wars nerd back when the prequels were coming out, I too probably would've loved over explanation of things like what "balance" meant, intricacies of the Jedi Order, and the adventures of the skywalker lineage.

Basically, a whole bunch of EU stuff. To be fair I did get a lot of that too in both the prequels and the EU.

Personally I see now why it's a good thing to sort of side step all that.

TFA kind of had to be a super safe soft reboot of the brand - it has to be then most Star Wars thing they've ever done because the future of the franchise was riding on it. If the worst complaint you can level at a new entry is that it's too much like the old ones, then you've succeeded in my opinion.

But that's not to say that they should continue that way. In that vein Last Jedi delivers exceptionally on being different. While I do like it, I will acknowledge that it is nearly subversion for the sake of subversion, but for that I will at least appreciate that Star Wars is in a place that you don't know what we I'll get happen next. A new adventure with new characters and no predicted expectations.

I get that some fans do want that back story and explanation - that that is why they loved Star Wars in the first place. I'm not sure how you can please everyone.
 
MoFuzz

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hivsteak said:
Lets pool together our money, buy the star wars brand, and democratically license it out to those who can deliver a well written script.
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How sad is it, to think about the fact that they could have taken almost any fan theory out there and it would have been better than what we received? That they poured $250 million into making this and then countless dollars on marketing after the fact.

120v said:
i held off watching it in theaters, saw it for the first time a few days ago.

can't really put my finger on why but it just didn't feel like star wars at all. and i don't mean "star wars" in terms of lightsabers, pew pew lasers, the force, ect, but rather the "saga". i get TFA was supposed to be the soft reboot but i thought this would kind of pick up where RotJ left off in terms of lore, why luke didn't particularly 'balance the force' after all but it was just "nope, here's some new sith and jedi, or you don't have to call them that, but whatever" and some allegory about letting the past go to make it not seem so flippant

i dunno. i guess i just have to acknowledge star wars as i knew it ended with RotJ and for better or worse whatever it is now, it is what it is
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Give it some time to think, and reflect back on it slowly. I walked out of the theatre somewhat liking the movie overall, even though I recognized certain problems immediately.

In the months since, I've come to realize that I couldn't hold any more contempt for this piece of garbage. I'm not saying you will automatically come to the same conclusion or go down the same path, but the movie generally moves along very quickly and doesn't give you time to react or think. That has to wait till later, apparently.
 
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mrkgoo said:
But that's not to say that they should continue that way. In that vein Last Jedi delivers exceptionally on being different. While I do like it, I will acknowledge that it is nearly subversion for the sake of subversion, but for that I will at least appreciate that Star Wars is in a place that you don't know what we I'll get happen next. A new adventure with new characters and no predicted expectations.

I get that some fans do want that back story and explanation - that that is why they loved Star Wars in the first place. I'm not sure how you can please everyone.
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well i certainly wasn't expecting the Thrawn trilogy or some such but i expected some kind of contingency here. after a six movie build up of conquering the empire and restoring balance or whatever it's just like "oh yeah, we're doing this again because reasons". i get these movies aren't really "for me" at this point but i felt it would've made for a more interesting story why 'the resistance' is even a thing now and reduced to a ragtag operation yet again, how the empire became a planet destroying megaforce yet again, what somebody like snoke had been doing this whole time, ect... or at least touch on this stuff in an ancillary way.

that's kinda my deal here, this isn't really a sequel trilogy aside from OT character sendoffs. but like i said i've made peace with these movies being for a different audience, i'll know what to expect here on out (unless episode 9 really brings it out of left field)
 
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120v said:
well i certainly wasn't expecting the Thrawn trilogy or some such but i expected some kind of contingency here. after a six movie build up of conquering the empire and restoring balance or whatever it's just like "oh yeah, we're doing this again because reasons". i get these movies aren't really "for me" at this point but i felt it would've made for a more interesting story why 'the resistance' is even a thing now and reduced to a ragtag operation yet again, how the empire became a planet destroying megaforce yet again, what somebody like snoke had been doing this whole time, ect... or at least touch on this stuff in an ancillary way.

that's kinda my deal here, this isn't really a sequel trilogy aside from OT character sendoffs. but like i said i've made peace with these movies being for a different audience, i'll know what to expect here on out (unless episode 9 really brings it out of left field)
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Totally with you.

Thing is I think it's all fairly deliberate. Whether you think it was effective or not, I feel what they were going for was to emulate that "in the middle of the story" feel the original had.

Like we didn't know who or what the empire was exactly. That sort of thing.

I do get that we are now operating in a more established universe and setting, and that you can't really play by the same rules ignore you want to continue, but I can see why they did what they did. And as I said, it's up to the individual as the to how effective that was for them as a movie experience.
 
Cybrwzrd

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I finally watched this movie. It was already spoiled for me, but anyway. What a disappointment. This director basically sabotaged what the story arc could have been. Disney would be better off taking a mulligan, re-shooting some of the awful scenes and re releasing it this winter.

TFA was a decent Star Wars movie, but this one appears to be a deliberate train wreck, how can they piece the shattered threads of the story back together to make something that can have a coherent end now?
 
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