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Bungie explains why Destiny 2 is 30 FPS on consoles, even the PS4 Pro (CPU limits)
- Thread starter Nirolak
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Doesn't matter when it's capped at 30fps.
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
Damn, quite the beast.
Lol
Maybe, maybe not. I don't think anyone here can even answer that, unless maybe they work at bungie.
It depends on what things are keeping them from reaching 60 fps (and if you want a locked 60 then you need 65-70+), and whether those things can even be moved to the GPU.
Destiny had quite low input latency for a 30 fps game anyway iirc. I don't think it's that devastating.
OdysseusVA
Banned
Some people are just being willfully ignorant
ROUGE_BLOCK
Member
Any chance Scorpio version will allow uncapped framerate?
Abilidebob
Member
It's so great that Microsoft invented and has the exclusive technology of adaptive refresh rate, no one else can run a game at variable(up to 30) fps.
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JareBear: Remastered
Banned
This gets lost a little. 30fps with no dips, proper frame pacing, and rock solid input latency will equal a perfectly smooth console experience
What are engine differences?
Halo 5's engine is GPU-bound, hence why it has dynamic resolution to maintain 60fps.
As stated in OP's vid, Destiny's engine is CPU-bound.
I highly doubt it. Only because the One S will be capped at 30 frames as well. They've said console will be 30fps.
And while the number will be small if they did allow 60fps for Scorpio users. You're giving them an unfair advantage in PVP.
Also to be fair. Majority of people buying these games don't give a two damns about 30 or 60 frames per second. People just want to buy it for whatever system their friends are playing on and have fun.
GameAddict411
Member
The Scorpio will probably use the same Jaguar cores. I wouldn't expect 60 fps from it if I were you.
Astral Dog
Member
The Magic of GPGPU 🎆
Did we really expect a console focused shooter in such a massive world to have a 60fps framerate? I mean it would be nice, but I can't think of a single open world title on any console that is capable of this.
As a PC gamer, you start to understand limits. Even with these half step iterations of consoles, it feels like a heavy stretch.
As a PC gamer, you start to understand limits. Even with these half step iterations of consoles, it feels like a heavy stretch.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Digital Foundry has demonstrated that BF1 drops to the 30s on the PS4 Pro. I'm not sure what the performance is after the patches but the new DLC maps are even more demanding than the originals.
Souldestroyer Reborn
Banned
Yeah sure, as long as you have a TV with a variable refresh rate, which, 100% of people don't have.
Note, TV.
The policy is: In competitive multiplayer games, the PS4 and PS4 Pro versions must target the same framerate, which can be either 30fps or 60fps.
Yes, if the PS4 Pro hits its target framerate more consistently than the PS4, that's an advantage for the PS4 Pro, but it doesn't violate the policy above.
A page ago I thought that that Battleborn broke this policy, but it turns out that it doesn't.
I'm not endorsing this policy, but I do believe that it does exist, and so far all released games seem to conform to it.
I also seem to be incapable of not talking about it.
7DollarHagane
Banned
Simply not a priority. 30fps is good enough and they will sell almost zero less copies with it.
Undead Hero
Member
As much as I want 60 fps, I care a lot more about better FOV options on PSPro/Scorpio. Bungie plz
That's a good question, I wonder if they'll allow that.
That FOV was EXTREMELY low in the stream. It looked like even less than Destiny 1.
"MASSIVE WORLD"
DirgeExtinction
Member
Isn't the resolution mainly dependent on the GPU while the frame rate is mainly dependent on the CPU? If so, that would make sense why Scorpio won't be 60fps. Both consoles could do 4k(checkerboard for Pro and native for Scorpio).
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Thanks for the responses! Seems like mid-gen refresh has hit bottleneck, or do we blame Bungie for "lazy development"?
Sure it might be possible for 4v4 crucible to run at 60fps but not the regular campaign with all the AI, Physics and stuff.
But why would they have the 4v4 MP mode run at a different framerate than the rest of the game?
D1's 30fps felt great anyways.
There is actually nothing explicitly in Sony's guidelines that restrict this.
They just say that if you have a 30 FPS title you must provide one or both of the following NEO modes:
1080P+ 30FPS
1080P+ 30+ FPS
The reality of the scenario is that most games that are running at 30 FPS on the base HW just don't get enough of a CPU kick to run at 60 FPS. It is not terribly hard to hit 60 FPS on the base hardware if you are GPU bound and don't mind dynamic resolution. If you do use Dynamic Res to hit 60FPS in base mode by the above case if you don't have a Neo mode that maintains 1080P/60 the whole time (due to downres) you would also need to provide a mode that is 1080P+ 30 locked as an option.
Going the other way is explicitly forbidden though( 60 FPS Base Game, no 60 FPS Neo Mode)
On titanfall 2 there is a FOV slider with a warning about performance issues if changed, I would be happy with a similar setup
Frame rate depends on both.
Yes, because many of us have played Warframe.
geordiemp
Member
10 % then 2.1 to 2.3, its hardly going to change dat bottleneck
2.10 to 2.30, its 9.52 percent better. feel better now ?
Both are still shit Ghz, IPC is pathetic, but to be fair they are tiny teeny weeny little cute things.
Aren't they both forks from the same original source?
LOL
NoctisVsStar
Member
Next gen won't make these issues disappear anyway. Devs have different priorities at times.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
I wouldn't say they are lazy, it's just a design choice. Developers just aren't obsessed with higher framerates like some gamers are, that's why a lot of games still run at 30fps. They could tone down resolution and graphical effects, reduced enemy count and make the AI less smart to hit 60fps but that would make the game a lot worse in other areas then.
One good thing now though is that console hardware is starting to get much more powerful (4.2 Tflop and 6 Tflop GPU's) and CPU speed is slowly getting faster again (2.1GHz and 2.3GHz) so next gen should be much more capable and we will hopefully get more 60fps games.
grfunkulus
Banned
You can LOL all you want but until we get our hands on the pc version, no one actually knows.
WhiskerFrisker
Member
Does Scorpio run a different version of Xbox games?
It'll be 60fps checkboard.
geordiemp
Member
Destiny 2 being CPU bound on consoles isn't surprising at all.
Has it been confirmed to be running at native 4k on the Pro?
Yes been taken into different directions by two games now. Both Bungie and 343 have different targets and goals for their games.
Edit:
If the framerate is limited by the CPU, lowering the resolution won't really do much to improve it.
Has it been confirmed to be running at native 4k on the Pro?
Yes been taken into different directions by two games now. Both Bungie and 343 have different targets and goals for their games.
Edit:
If the framerate is limited by the CPU, lowering the resolution won't really do much to improve it.
NoctisVsStar
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