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Do you think Anthem will get a downgrade graphically?
- Thread starter GravityInsanity
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I don't understand you at all. Leeh himself suggested people shouldn't be skeptical, which you went after me for. Again, here is the qutoe:
Now the arguement is what it was rendered on. It doesn't matter! Killzone 2 was claimed by Jack Tretton stating it was ”real gameplay everybody's seeing out there," and that was false. We should be skeptical, and not be like Leeh calling us "the depression of gaming" because we don't automatically believe some E3 trailer.
Again, I feel like I'm giving all the proof I can. The burden of proof isn't on me, it's on the people making the trailer.
ronaldthump
Member
Yepp team downgrade.
but that's house ubisoft though. Practically famous for it.
Chronospherics
Member
I think it will be pushed back far enough to hit next generation platforms. So its visuals may be intact there. But otherwise, yeah, it's not going to look like that on any current gen platform.
Is there a way to follow a user and just keep tabs on them?
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Yepp team downgrade.
Different engines, different companies.
But yes, I expect a downgrade. Especially for consoles.
veloxStrix
Banned
Frostbite isn't going to handle those stormy gameplay sections with that level of fidelity. Everything else, sure. Maybe. But those storms aren't going to fly.
Grumplestiltskin
Member
Lets go over the possible causes for concern and confidence and try to make a judgement under that context.
Points indicating possibility of a downgrade:
Points indicating possibility of no downgrade:
Looking at this breakdown (undoubtedly I've missed some points) its clear that evidence heavily skews towards one conclusion over the other. Even assuming the statement from the Publisher is indeed believable, which I think many would argue against, and that what was shown was running on an XB1X theres still the matter of his being such a highly scripted prerecorded verticle slice which would tend to indicate it would not be representative of the actual gameplay experience. Every point you could consider as indicating it might not be downgraded has a some sort of caveat involved. Couple this with the industry wide trend and it it seems substantially more likely that we will see some downgrades graphically before the game releases next holiday season. At this stage there does not seem to be much at all to promote any sort of confidence that the end product will indeed acheive the graphical benchmark of the initial gameplay reveal trailer. That's not to say it couldn't come out and look like it did in the reveal. It certainly could. Its just that this seems far less likely than the alternative given the context. So, to me, its pretty baffling that so many are insisting it will, without a shadow of a doubt, not see some significant graphical changes.
Points indicating possibility of a downgrade:
- The demonstration did not consist of live gameplay and was seemingly prerecorded
- Highly scripted nature of the gameplay shown indicates this is very much a tailor made vertical slice
- Odd camera movement/direction during various transition scenes are somewhat suspect and could indicate at the very least a heavily directed and tailored video
- The two most recent games developed by the sutdio (Bioware) and built with Frostbite (Andromeda, Inquisition) were downgraded on release in comparison to early footage
- General industry trends towards downgrades following initial reveals
- The scope and breadth of the game is immense making such intricate detail and graphical representation throughout quite the ordeal
- Previous games released using this engine that have met original expectation were both produced by a totally different development team and represented a completely different scope and scale despite this new project appearing just as or perhaps even more graphically impressive
- The game still has a substantial amount of development time remaining during which any number of graphical changes could be required during optimization since this is generally one of the final processes of development.
Points indicating possibility of no downgrade:
- Some recent games released utilizing the same engine have met or exceeded graphical expectations from their respective initial reveals
- Analysis shows that, at the very least, some of the demo was indeed running real time on HW
- Publisher states that this demo was running on XB1X HW
Looking at this breakdown (undoubtedly I've missed some points) its clear that evidence heavily skews towards one conclusion over the other. Even assuming the statement from the Publisher is indeed believable, which I think many would argue against, and that what was shown was running on an XB1X theres still the matter of his being such a highly scripted prerecorded verticle slice which would tend to indicate it would not be representative of the actual gameplay experience. Every point you could consider as indicating it might not be downgraded has a some sort of caveat involved. Couple this with the industry wide trend and it it seems substantially more likely that we will see some downgrades graphically before the game releases next holiday season. At this stage there does not seem to be much at all to promote any sort of confidence that the end product will indeed acheive the graphical benchmark of the initial gameplay reveal trailer. That's not to say it couldn't come out and look like it did in the reveal. It certainly could. Its just that this seems far less likely than the alternative given the context. So, to me, its pretty baffling that so many are insisting it will, without a shadow of a doubt, not see some significant graphical changes.
Hero Prinny
Member
downgrade? i don't even believe that was the actual game tbh.
secretanchitman
Member
Definitely. I would be really surprised if it looks the same as the E3 reveal at launch.
Naughty_Doge
Member
I think it was never meant to look like that. It was most likely running on a PC.
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
I "went after you" for being rude to a fellow Gaffer in hopes of encouraging polite discourse between you two (and others) so that something positive could come of it.
This was always what Leeh was talking about. And again you are assuming that they didn't already take it with a healthy dose of skepticism just because they believe the devs. I don't like the "depression of gaming" part of what she wrote either but I also understand that people can have bad days or get frustrated. But I'll let them address that.
The only "proof" you gave in your initial response was that Leeh was a fanboy.
You are right about the burden of proof being on the devs. Luckily, they have released a statement saying that it was played on the X.
Though, I'm sure someone as skeptical as you will remain skeptical until the game is in your hands. Nothing wrong with that, but you should realize that others are going to have varying degrees of skepticism and bars for trust.
neurosisxeno
Member
Hopefully not but probably. Reminder the footage we saw was Pre-Alpha footage. Odds are the final product will be quite a bit different.
Ok I understand, and I'm sorry. I'm still questioning Leeh and his saying we're being the "depression of gaming" for not believing this trailer.
down 2 orth
Member
Yepp team downgrade.
I'm glad karma exists.
sixteen-bit
Member
absolutely
Did Dragon Age: Inquisition also have a troubled development? That game can get pretty eh at times
GoldenCrow
Member
Its a vertical slice and created for that demo specifically. The end product is going to be different.
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
For what it's worth, I am skeptical of it looking like this at release. It was the only game of the entire conference that looked like it was too good to be true by far. Nothing else came close. Everything else I saw looked underwhelming or doable on consoles except for maybe Exodus.
Then again, it was playing on an X and we have yet to see for ourselves in person what games can look like that target it's specs and on final hardware.
The only thing that gives me hope is the fact that battlefront is the best looking game period right now and that battlefront 2 looks to be just as good if not better and it was already playable on the floor (though those aren't open world games...). That and the team that is working on Anthem is Bioware's A team who are used to working on open worlds and are used to working with the frostbite engine and not the same team that worked on Andromeda who we now know was having problems working with it.
Oh, and I will be playing on PC so far more hope for me that it will end up like the video. (Knocks on wood.)
Exploratory
Banned
So you're saying they're blatantly lying to us when they say that was an Xbox One X?
PS I don't think there will be much of a down grade if there is one at all.
Agreed. I want to believe also, let's hope.
I'm not saying they're blatantly lying, I'm saying we've been lied to before.
Exploratory
Banned
So...do you think they're lying or not?
Deadpool_X
Banned
Does the Pope shit in the woods?
??? I can't prove anything, and we know E3 trailers are sometimes false representations. We should be skeptical until we see gameplay running on hardware outside of the E3 trailer.
Come on now, this is EA not Ubisoft. I don't think it will look much different to this on Xbox One X / PC. There will be obvious changes between now and then.
What other games has EA downgraded significantly? Battlefornt, Battlefield all looked excellent when released, unless anyone can show otherwise.
What other games has EA downgraded significantly? Battlefornt, Battlefield all looked excellent when released, unless anyone can show otherwise.
You want a picture of Madden?
UnemployedVillain
Member
This was my first thought
Graphically it wasn't that bad considering it came a year after the new gen was released.
It's been 12 years, surely you can find a better more recent example.
ScaryShark
Banned
It was also a cross-gen title.
Stiler
Member
It's a frostbite game.
Everyone said the same thing about Battlefront and then BF1 only to be proven wrong.
If this was a ubisoft game I'd say definitely, but it's an EA frostbite game and those are so far turned out pretty much on par with what they showed in the trailers before release.
Everyone said the same thing about Battlefront and then BF1 only to be proven wrong.
If this was a ubisoft game I'd say definitely, but it's an EA frostbite game and those are so far turned out pretty much on par with what they showed in the trailers before release.
You know that's a cinematic trailer right?
The few snippets of gameplay that's in there is pretty accurate
Gnome Scat
Member
I don't care so long as they change those weird legs.
Cinematic? It's not called "cinematic" and has a title of "Battlefield 1 Official Reveal Trailer" so it's obviously being passed off as how the game will look. Game companies want to give the best impression in a trailer. This isn't anything new, and all the reasons we need to want more evidence.
Inquisition launched on old consoles as well
Oh man.
You want to see the ACTUAL gameplay trailer? Here it is: https://youtu.be/4pY3hlQEOc0 .
And that's mostly accurate of the final game.