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hesido · Mar 26, 2015

keltickennedy said:
When I said "view-dependent" it was me playing with your words. As in you simply looking at the post on your computer monitor being able to read it at whatever angle. Again, I tried a joke with a little more "depth".... PUN INTENDED.

I am fully aware of what you actually talking about as 3D and game design is what I do for a living.

Sorry, I failed to make the connection there. Thought your remark was related to the link connected to a screenshot (it didn't, should have ringed some bells). I frankly never thought you didn't understand computer graphics. I thought I didn't do well enough to explain why I thought the effect was important, so went into details.

PANTHEON said:
The thread has already come to the consensus that 1.09 contained a fix for the deformation, but the rest of the graphical issues in single player remain unfixed.

It has also mentioned in a comment box in the original video that 1.09 fixes this. How much time passed between 1.09 and 1.08? Was it a fast turnaround for a patch?

DOWN · Mar 26, 2015

hesido said:
It has also mentioned in a comment box in the original video that 1.09 fixes this. How much time passed between 1.09 and 1.08? Was it a fast turnaround for a patch?

1.09 only fixed car deformation, not the POM and other issues. 1.08 released on 3-15-2015, 1.09 released today.

CrimsonEclipse · Mar 26, 2015

PANTHEON said:
Rockstar is aware of the issues, and the wording here implies it is unintentional to me:

https://support.rockstargames.com/h...-for-Xbox-One-and-PS4-after-Title-Update-1-08

Saw this on IGN a few minutes ago - glad to see it was as bug and not something done intentionally.

Pathfinder · Mar 26, 2015

CrimsonEclipse said:
Saw this on IGN a few minutes ago - glad to see it was as bug and not something done intentionally.

Of course it wasn't intentional. Ignore all the conspiracy theorists.

Rebel Leader · Mar 26, 2015

Pathfinder said:
Of course it wasn't intentional. Ignore all the conspiracy theorists.

That's what they want you to believe

Javin98 · Mar 26, 2015

PANTHEON said:
Rockstar is aware of the issues, and the wording here implies it is unintentional to me:

https://support.rockstargames.com/h...-for-Xbox-One-and-PS4-after-Title-Update-1-08

Thank God. Hopefully this is fixed soon.

DOWN · Mar 26, 2015

Rebel Leader said:
That's what they want you to believe

I don't care if it was or not. Now they know not to lower the graphical fidelity after release when I've paid already, even if it was a bug. This time seems to be an accident, but at least we know they wouldn't try it on purpose with the response this has gotten.

Blastoise · Mar 26, 2015

Hopefully they figure this bug out.

Dreadnought · Mar 26, 2015

Didn't this also happen to Unity? They downgraded to graphics after release to make it run more smoothly.

IMACOMPUTA · Mar 26, 2015

Well, regardless of whether it is a bug or not, it seems to have improved performance and many people have enjoyed the more stable framerate. I'd imagine when this "bug" is "fixed" there will be a new group of people pissed off.

DOWN · Mar 26, 2015

Dreadnought said:
Didn't this also happen to Unity? They downgraded to graphics after release to make it run more smoothly.

Except we all thought Unity was messy from the start and were baffled by how crowded with NPCs they made it, even asking them to tone it down.

Summer Haze · Mar 26, 2015

FYI...if you turn on your game and the brightness/gamma screen comes on right away, then just exit to the dashboard/UI and restart the game. It shouldn't happen again after that, not straight away anyway. It's happened to me around 4-5 times, and I do this every time and it works. Fuck resetting all of those options.

15strong · Mar 26, 2015

After we now know it was an unintentional bug, can we not jump to conclusions next and assume every developer is out to downgrade or make their own games worse.

Pandy · Mar 26, 2015

I really hope the 'fix' doesn't knock the GTA Online frame-rate back down again.

Summer Haze · Mar 26, 2015

PANTHEON said:
Rockstar is aware of the issues, and the wording here implies it is unintentional to me:

https://support.rockstargames.com/h...-for-Xbox-One-and-PS4-after-Title-Update-1-08

Same reply I received:

Stephen R., Mar 26, 3:03 PM:
Hello Luke,

Thank you for contacting Rockstar Support.

We would like to inform you that we are aware of some graphical issues on the Xbox One and PS4 versions of GTAV after the most recent Title Update, and we are investigating a fix now. If you would like to receive an automatic email notification as soon as there is more information, please log into the Support Site and click Subscribe at the top of this page.

https://support.rockstargames.com/hc/articles/205228687

Best regards,

Stephen R.
Rockstar Support

Blastoise · Mar 26, 2015

Just went to the train tracks after the 1.09 update. And the its still downgraded.

DOWN · Mar 26, 2015

Blastoise said:
Just went to the train tracks after the 1.09 update. And the its still downgraded.

Yes, the thread confirmed earlier 1.09 only fixes car deformation. 1.09 was apparently created before this issue was noticed since the POM (on the train tracks) were only brought to their attention in the last couple of days.

The Llama · Mar 26, 2015

Pandy said:
I really hope the 'fix' doesn't knock the GTA Online frame-rate back down again.

Same

KyanMehwulfe · Mar 26, 2015

15 pages in one night over an over 2 week old bug? lol... i love you gaf

eso76 · Mar 26, 2015

I want proper motion blur in 1.10...

adamantypants · Mar 26, 2015

I'd easily give up graphics for performance increases.

SpokkX · Mar 26, 2015

Yeah leave the graphics as is if the framerate is affected by them

The game is much smoother to play now

KratosEnergyDrink · Mar 27, 2015

Seems the framerate is more acceptable now. So downgraded graphics are ok for this outcome.

But this smells like they wanted catchy still images for GTAV on consoles and sacrifices fps for this and now they make it more playable because people complained about framerates.

Ishida · Mar 27, 2015

KratosEnergyDrink said:
Seems the framerate is more acceptable now. So downgraded graphics are ok for this outcome.

But here's the deal: Why are people so certain that the improved framerate is because of the graphical bugs? I don't understand.

We still don't know if re-enabling those graphical features will make framerate worse. People are jumping to a lot of conclusions here.

KyanMehwulfe · Mar 27, 2015

KratosEnergyDrink said:
Seems the framerate is more acceptable now. So downgraded graphics are ok for this outcome.

But this smells like they wanted catchy still images for GTAV on consoles and sacrifices fps for this and now they make it more playable because people complained about framerates.

it was a bug... a bug that was even fixable for the last 2 weeks

i've had deformation, albeit very temporarily, using the internet bug fix trick, for over a week

a bug that was just one of many that the MP patch introduced to SP... there's nothing to suggest it was intentional lol

Dash Kappei · Mar 27, 2015

Did they ever fix the vegetation/trees not reacting to the wind as throughly as they did on PS360?

Eggbok · Mar 27, 2015

Dash Kappei said:
Did they ever fix the vegetation/trees not reacting to the wind as throughly as they did on PS360?

I think that was fixed shortly after it released.

interfreak · Mar 27, 2015

Dash Kappei said:
Did they ever fix the vegetation/trees not reacting to the wind as throughly as they did on PS360?

Yeah that was fixed a while back, it was also a bug that Rockstar rectified.

Piggus · Mar 27, 2015

POM still seems to be enabled for me in the PS4 version, at least for grass and hedges.

Abilidebob · Mar 27, 2015

I hope PC doesn't get those bugs.

Zane · Mar 27, 2015

Told you all it was a bug

Pathfinder · Mar 27, 2015

Abilidebob said:
I hope PC doesn't get those downgrades.

Did you even read the OP?

They're not downgrades.

DOWN · Mar 27, 2015

Abilidebob said:
I hope PC doesn't get those downgrades.

Pathfinder said:
Did you even read the OP?

They're not downgrades.

Hell, read the title now even.

Abilidebob · Mar 27, 2015

Pathfinder said:
Did you even read the OP?

They're not downgrades.

PANTHEON said:
Hell, read the title now even.

Bugs, then.

ReBurn · Mar 27, 2015

KyanMehwulfe said:
15 pages in one night over an over 2 week old bug? lol... i love you gaf

Well, you see, there was outrage to be had and people aren't going to wait for responses from the developer for issues that they didn't even know were problems before deciding to toss hyperboles at this seemingly intentional downgrade that was actually just another bug all along.

Zane · Mar 27, 2015

Cavalier said:
How do I know they toned down various graphical settings? It's in the video. Go watch it.

They toned down the vehicle damage
They toned down Anisotropic Filtering
They turned off Parallax Occlusion
etc

They did these to further stabilize the frame rate, which is just an abomination. Give players the choice. Don't false advertise your game to sucker gamers into getting this port and then take away the things that made this port sell in the first place. This is just stupid.

How do you know this wasn't caused by a "mysterious error," as you put it and have now been proven incorrect?

EightBitNate · Mar 27, 2015

Its amazing that people even notice

Pathfinder · Mar 27, 2015

Abilidebob said:
Bugs, then.

Downgrades are different than bugs. It's important to make the distinction.

And, no, I doubt they will carry over to the PC version.

Derp · Mar 27, 2015

Hah, so i was right. It was a bug.

kaskade · Mar 27, 2015

Yeah the deformation still doesn't look too good for me in 1.09. I could drive into a car full speed and it'd just be a light dent and scratch. Nothing major. Unless that's how it's always been and I'm just noticing now.

KyanMehwulfe · Mar 27, 2015

^ it's always been like that... cars can deform a lot but it's rather quite slow

getting hit by trains 1.09 deformation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHcqS3QRtQ0

heavier or faster deformation still works but it just requires a lot of damage... namely getting hit by a train. you'll never get damage like that from a car crash unless you crash dozens of times

Dash Kappei · Mar 27, 2015

Eggbok said:
I think that was fixed shortly after it released.

interfreak said:
Yeah that was fixed a while back, it was also a bug that Rockstar rectified.

Awesome, thanks folks.
Man it's getting harder and harder waiting to buy GTA V again...

craziegamer01 · Mar 27, 2015

Well Im glad that it appears to be a bug, and not intentional. Im liking the improved framerate though.

iludart · Mar 27, 2015

I have the feeling that nobody here actually noticed that the input lag is gone... It's not the performance, there are still some frame drops here and there but the game plays so much more smoother now.

Make a test, turn up the sensitivity and the acceleration all the way up and the game feels super snappy. Yesterday I managed to get away from a 4 star chase, first try. Cars handle like a breeze and shooting is more satisfying now.

I really don't like what the gamers are turning into. When I am playing a game, I am first of all playing it, and right AFTER that i stop to marvel the scenery. So it must be most important how it plays, not how it looks when i'm reaching for a snack. Please stop complaining and appreciate how Rockstar keeps delivering.

Pandy · Mar 27, 2015

iludart said:
I have the feeling that nobody here actually noticed that the input lag is gone... It's not the performance, there are still some frame drops here and there but the game plays so much more smoother now.

Make a test, turn up the sensitivity and the acceleration all the way up and the game feels super snappy. Yesterday I managed to get away from a 4 star chase, first try. Cars handle like a breeze and shooting is more satisfying now.

I really don't like what the gamers are turning into. When I am playing a game, I am first of all playing it, and right AFTER that i stop to marvel the scenery. So it must be most important how it plays, not how it looks when i'm reaching for a snack. Please stop complaining and appreciate how Rockstar keeps delivering.

If 'fixing' this graphic 'bug' reduces performance again, it's going to be really hard going back to the old stodgy controls. I really hope one is not connected with the other.

Hip Hop · Mar 27, 2015

iludart said:
I have the feeling that nobody here actually noticed that the input lag is gone... It's not the performance, there are still some frame drops here and there but the game plays so much more smoother now.

Make a test, turn up the sensitivity and the acceleration all the way up and the game feels super snappy. Yesterday I managed to get away from a 4 star chase, first try. Cars handle like a breeze and shooting is more satisfying now.

I really don't like what the gamers are turning into. When I am playing a game, I am first of all playing it, and right AFTER that i stop to marvel the scenery. So it must be most important how it plays, not how it looks when i'm reaching for a snack. Please stop complaining and appreciate how Rockstar keeps delivering.

Pandy said:
If 'fixing' this graphic 'bug' reduces performance again, it's going to be really hard going back to the old stodgy controls. I really hope one is not connected with the other.

I'm wondering if this "better performance after the patch" thing was real or it's just a placebo.

iludart · Mar 27, 2015

Hip Hop said:
I'm wondering if this "better performance after the patch" thing was real or it's just a placebo.

There was a comparison video of the input lag between the ps3 and the ps4 versions of the game (link). Hopefully there is someone willing to make one pre and post patch because there is a massive difference.

And again, i don't think it is a performance gain but rather an input lag/ sluggish controls fix. Maybe they've made some optimizations on the physics calculations, hence the collisions feel different now, but i'm just making assumptions.

dr guildo · Mar 27, 2015

Hip Hop said:
I'm wondering if this "better performance after the patch" thing was real or it's just a placebo.

Placebo for sure, because framerate issues encountered in city was completely solved well before the 1.08 patch, and without disabling any graphical features. I remember that quite well.

TheAdmiester · Mar 27, 2015

iludart said:
There was a comparison video of the input lag between the ps3 and the ps4 versions of the game (link). Hopefully there is someone willing to make one pre and post patch because there is a massive difference.

And again, i don't think it is a performance gain but rather an input lag/ sluggish controls fix. Maybe they've made some optimizations on the physics calculations, hence the collisions feel different now, but i'm just making assumptions.

These input issues were fixed in 1.03 or so when they introduced acceleration and deadzone sliders, the input lag was reduced as well. 1.08's "downgrade" issues weren't to alleviate that, so if we rolled back to having the good graphical effects back the controls would still be fine.

KyanMehwulfe · Mar 28, 2015

yeah input lag was something improved a few patches ago, no reason it should change from the Heist patches 1.07 through to 1.09

same for either performance or deformation IMO... both feel basically the same as before in all 3 versions of the patch. with deformation and parallax mapping off, I see no genuine frame rate improvement, and with deformation back on, I see no difference in amount or rate at which deformation occurs. likely just folks not used to the previous norm.

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