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Finally, a reason to call the game 'RED Steel'

http://www.codenamerevolution.com/?p=638

According to a Ubisoft VIP on IGN Insider forums (subscription required) had the following to say about the game:

“It’s the same controls, I just believe they were a bit tighter as we were developing on the GC dev for, well, for a while. I can assure you that we have plenty of time to refine, tighten, and ensure that the controls are solid. In regards to the blood, there will be blood - just not in a grpahic way. I believe you can have blood spurt and then disappear and still receive a teen rating. Regardless of that point, the game is all about the controller and it’s movements - not so much about the graphics.”

This is good news since at least the title will be Rated T, have time for tuning for launch and and have some form of blood, something some fans felt upset after hearing rumours there would not be blood at all.

Im not an IGN Insider so someone can confirm this.

Well he's right–Call of Duty 2 on the 360 has blood spirts, but it never shows it on the ground or walls. It got a T.

Regardless of that point, the game is all about the controller and it’s movements - not so much about the graphics.

Taking the easy way out?

How shooting real-life looking people with real-life looking guns, regardless of blood, only warrants a T rating to begin with is beyond me.

Especially when it lets you use melee weapons - blades even - to directly attack real-life looking people with is kind of strange, no?

Weird where some people place their priorties when it comes to certain criteria

Sounds good to me. I can't wait to see how this game evolves in the coming months.

Originally Posted by John Harker

How shooting real-life looking people with real-life looking guns, regardless of blood, only warrants a T rating to begin with is beyond me.

Especially when it lets you use melee weapons - blades even - to directly attack real-life looking people with is kind of strange, no?

Weird where some people place their priorties when it comes to certain criteria

There are no boobs, and we all know how harmful boobs are.

No gibs no sale :lol

Fuck "Teen rating". This is RED STEEL. You slice Yakuza up with your sword. Or maybe you shoot them.

They should just go Kill Bill with the game and get an Mature rating.

I'm not buying this game if I can't slice limbs.

Does this mean I won't be able to decapitate people with my sword?

Yeah, Ubisoft would probably be better served going for an 'M' and cranking up the violence... more kids will want it that way.

it begins :\

Originally Posted by jarrod

Yeah, Ubisoft would probably be better served going for an 'M' and cranking up the violence... more kids will want it that way.

That's not really the point, if you're going to make it relatively non-gory, don't call it Red Steel.

Originally Posted by Kabouter

That's not really the point, if you're going to make it relatively non-gory, don't call it Red Steel.

Wait, you're telling them what they can and can't call their game now?

Originally Posted by Akia

They should just go Kill Bill with the game and get an Mature rating.

I'm not buying this game if I can't slice limbs.

I can see the media outrage, but I can also see the TONS of Wiis and games sold.

Originally Posted by Akia

They should just go Kill Bill with the game and get an Mature rating.

I'm not buying this game if I can't slice limbs.

Just wait for RE. You know its going to happen.

Zombies+Melee weaponry FTW

i don't care about excessive blood. i just want some visual confirmation that i just killed a guy, outside of him losing verticality.

Originally Posted by Campster

Wait, you're telling them what they can and can't call their game now?

Well, when someone calls their game Red Steel, don't you kind of expect the sword's steel to kind of turn red from blood? :P

Originally Posted by Kabouter

Well, when someone calls their game Red Steel, don't you kind of expect the sword's steel to kind of turn red from blood? :P

I don't want to fill up a "focus meter" or whatever the hell they said they called bullet-time in this game.

I want a "blood meter" - the redder my sword becomes, the higher the meter... and when there is enough blood ont he blade, it turns red and then I can do my focus attacks.

Yea, now that's red steel

Originally Posted by PhoenixDark

Sounds good to me. I can't wait to see how this game evolves in the coming months.

IAWTP.

What's with all the hating? At least we get blood!

Originally Posted by Kabouter

Well, when someone calls their game Red Steel, don't you kind of expect the sword's steel to kind of turn red from blood? :P

By that logic the movie "Child's Play" should be about children having fun with dolls.

Titles needn't be literal. Or even make any sort of sense at all. What exactly are names like rRootage and Rez other than handles to signify an entire system and its representation?

I don't really care if we have blood or not. just make good use of the wiimote and I'll be happy.

Shitty Super Nintendo Mortal Kombat blood is better than no blood at all.

Originally Posted by John Harker

I want a "blood meter" - the redder my sword becomes, the higher the meter... and when there is enough blood ont he blade, it turns red and then I can do my focus attacks.

Yea, now that's red steel

It's called お姉チャンバラ

Just have to wait for Metal Gear Wii. Stabbity stab.

Originally Posted by John Harker

I don't want to fill up a "focus meter" or whatever the hell they said they called bullet-time in this game.

I want a "blood meter" - the redder my sword becomes, the higher the meter... and when there is enough blood ont he blade, it turns red and then I can do my focus attacks.

Yea, now that's red steel

Now That Kicks so much ass I'd set 8,000 juggling monkeys on fire for that!!!

Originally Posted by Akia

They should just go Kill Bill with the game and get an Mature rating.

QFT. The game would probably fly off shelves if they did that too.

I can confirm this..

The Ubisoft Rep. replied to a PM I sent him and I posted it in the IGN thread..

The Electronic Playground clip circulating the board is also from me..

Originally Posted by Kabouter

Well, when someone calls their game Red Steel, don't you kind of expect the sword's steel to kind of turn red from blood? :P

Actually, I always took the "Red" to relate to Japan, I.E. the Yakuza, which I'm pretty sure is the focus of the game?

There were several 90's movies dubbed "Red [something]" relating to that sort of thing, so maybe I was just pre-programmed for it. :P Even just recently, Kill Bill had the Bride ask for a sword as "Japanese Steel."

Just do an Acclaim Turok German version, replace all the enemies in the game with robots - no need for blood!

I just wonder why they want a teen rating so badly. This is a game about shooting Yakuza in the face and also slicing their arms off. Why would you aim for a teen rating?

In Edge the Ubisoft guy said they modeled the game on James Bond movies. They want it to be mature without relying on excessive blood and violence, so lots of people can enjoy it.

just sort of underminds the concept a bit. I mean, James Bond is cool and all but generally he doesn't go around slicing people with katanas

Originally Posted by Amir0x

I just wonder why they want a teen rating so badly. This is a game about shooting Yakuza in the face and also slicing their arms off. Why would you aim for a teen rating?

probably sales.

It's strange, the main focus of the game isn't completely about killing people. If you remember from the GI story, at first you'll kill people, but then as the game progresses you'll want them to surrender or join your side, and you want to gain reputation to get more yakuza guys on your side. So blood splattering everywhere just seems gratuitous

It's a bit more complex than running around and shooting everybody. Though I'm not sure why they want a teen rating for a game about the Yakuza. I wonder if Sega wants Yakuza to be a teen rating.

Though keep in mind things are going to start changing as more states pass the "violent video games are harmful to kids" law. America is such a big market, it might screw over the rest of the world too.

Nintendo doesnt want one of their launch lineup game that will pretty much be the killer app to own when it comes out to be a rated M game.

That's pretty much it.

Originally Posted by Amir0x

just sort of underminds the concept a bit. I mean, James Bond is cool and all but generally he doesn't go around slicing people with katanas

Nope, he lets his band of 100 Ninjas do that for him. He himself uses a boring revolver. He didn't even pick up one of those bad-ass rocketguns.

I'm still excited about this game, blood or not (although I'm happy they're deciding to include it). If I get a Wii on the first day, i'll definitely be getting this with it.

Originally Posted by Suerte

Just do an Acclaim Turok German version, replace all the enemies in the game with robots - no need for blood!

Are you joking? :lol

Originally Posted by flipping_heck

Finally, a reason to call the game 'RED Steel'

http://www.codenamerevolution.com/?p=638

there will be blood - just not in a grpahic way. I believe you can have blood spurt and then disappear and still receive a teen rating.

Im not an IGN Insider so someone can confirm this.

But but WHY???? This is supposed to be a sword fighting game and I WANT KILL BILL STYLE BLOOD where everyone has 50 gallons of blood in their body and so when I decapitate his arm he'll run around with blood squirting all over the fucking room.

This pisses me off. Just because it's on a N!N console it doesn't have to be rated T and under.

Originally Posted by shuri

Nintendo doesnt want one of their launch lineup game that will pretty much be the killer app to own when it comes out to be a rated M game.

That's pretty much it.

Exactly, this is part of that new niche of gamers they are targeting. The youngsters who like to stab people in the face with a sword but don't like graphic violence.

I think this will be a hot seller!

Originally Posted by black_13

But but WHY???? This is supposed to be a sword fighting game and I WANT KILL BILL STYLE BLOOD where everyone has 50 gallons of blood in their body and so when I decapitate his arm he'll run around with blood squirting all over the fucking room.

This pisses me off. Just because it's on a N!N console it doesn't have to be rated T and under.

Part of it is that, much like movies, developers are usually contracted to deliver a game with a certain rating.

Another part of it is that this seems to pretty much be self-censorship. The game doesn't call for unnecessary gore (this isn't "ULTIMATE BLOODFIGHT XXX" where you can slice limbs off and pee on the corpses of your enemies), and as such doesn't include it.

Originally Posted by Amir0x

I just wonder why they want a teen rating so badly. This is a game about shooting Yakuza in the face and also slicing their arms off. Why would you aim for a teen rating?

Because considering Nintendo's strongest demographics (casuals, teh kiddiz, N-tards), it would be madness to make a game that can only sell to a relatively small subset of Nintendo's already niche console market share.

Heck, wasn't the first Splinter Cell a "T" game? Its about avoiding risk. If Red Steel takes off and becomes a breakout hit, so that it becomes strong enough as a brand to stand on its own without needing a hardware launch to be successful, I think we would see decapitations and gore in future versions, but not now.

Originally Posted by Campster

Part of it is that, much like movies, developers are usually contracted to deliver a game with a certain rating.

Another part of it is that this seems to pretty much be self-censorship. The game doesn't call for unnecessary gore (this isn't "ULTIMATE BLOODFIGHT XXX" where you can slice limbs off and pee on the corpses of your enemies), and as such doesn't include it.

yeah but I always see this happening on N!N consoles. If it was being developed on another console the developers wouldn't have likely been afraid of an M rating.

N!N still seems to be the exact opposite of what M$ is doing. On 360 upcoming library you can see tons of violent shooters with lots of gore while when it comes to N!N, Red Steel is the most violent one we've seen so far and it doesn't even have blood until this announcement. Not saying that's a quality issue but I would like developers to finally get over N!N as a kid console fact and if they truely want the Wii to appeal to everybody, Mario and Zelda aren't going to do it. You need something for the older demographic as well.

Originally Posted by black_13

yeah but I always see this happening on N!N consoles. If it was being developed on another console the developers wouldn't have likely been afraid of an M rating.

N!N still seems to be the exact opposite of what M$ is doing. On 360 upcoming library you can see tons of violent shooters with lots of gore while when it comes to N!N, Red Steel is the most violent one we've seen so far and it doesn't even have blood until this announcement. Not saying that's a quality issue but I would like developers to finally get over N!N as a kid console fact and if they truely want the Wii to appeal to everybody, Mario and Zelda aren't going to do it. You need something for the older demographic as well.

The older democgraphic craves insane amounts of gore? I guess by older you mean prepubescent.

Not saying I'm against gore, but man, sometimes less gore is better. Like somebody was saying about Call of Duty only having a small amount of blood, I think that's perfect. You can certainly tell you've hit someone with the cloud of blood, but it doesn't make the game look like a ridiculous over the top crappy horror movie.

Originally Posted by black_13

yeah but I always see this happening on N!N consoles. If it was being developed on another console the developers wouldn't have likely been afraid of an M rating.

N!N still seems to be the exact opposite of what M$ is doing. On 360 upcoming library you can see tons of violent shooters with lots of gore while when it comes to N!N, Red Steel is the most violent one we've seen so far and it doesn't even have blood until this announcement. Not saying that's a quality issue but I would like developers to finally get over N!N as a kid console fact and if they truely want the Wii to appeal to everybody, Mario and Zelda aren't going to do it. You need something for the older demographic as well.

I could make a really snarky comment about the 360, but I'll take the high road and avoid it.

I don't really disagree with the sentiment that the Wii will need mature titles in addition to titles aimed at everyone, aimed at old people, kids, etc.

However, just because something is "adult" doesn't make it good or mature. Having Mortal Kombat type buckets of blood everywhere reeks of what a 12 year old's perception of what is "mature." You can see the same thing in Kingpin, where the absolutely absurd levels of swearing made the game feel stupid and childish. I was actually laughing as I played the game, as almost every single recorded line of dialogue used the word "fuck."

Also, I'm willing to bet that being afraid of an M rating has more to do with sales figures than keeping the library free of blood.

Originally Posted by Neo Child

Are you joking? :lol

Nope :lol

The German version of the game was censored. All human opponents were replaced by robots - some of them were exclusively modelled for this release, others were just taken from the last level of the game and used throughout all the other levels as well.

blah blah blah. My interest in Red Steel has died.

I'll wait for someone to do this idea properly - good controls, good graphics, none of this constraining shit about not being violent with swords. This game should have been the Kill Bill of videogames.

again, meh on this game. the storyline is a mega rolleyes imo.

Originally Posted by sp0rsk

again, meh on this game. the storyline is a mega rolleyes imo.

Your girlfriend has been kidnapped by the Yakuza. Are you a Bad enough Dude to rescue your girlfriend?