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boskee
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(06-09-2015, 05:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by Nemmy

Amazing news! Congratulations and best of luck to them.



Do I read this right? It's 15 million $ in a day? Awesome if so.

Production costs were 120 million PLN, which is roughly $32 million.

"On day 1" - which may also mean all the preorders.

Here's the article I took it from (in Polish, use Google Translate/Chrome)

http://pieniadze.gazeta.pl/pieniadz/..._zwrocily.html
Nordicus
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(06-09-2015, 09:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by boskee

Production costs were 120 million PLN, which is roughly $32 million.

"On day 1" - which may also mean all the preorders.

Here's the article I took it from (in Polish, use Google Translate/Chrome)

http://pieniadze.gazeta.pl/pieniadz/..._zwrocily.html

Same article says that the marketing budget was $35M

So roughly 67 million dollars were spent on Witcher 3?
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(06-09-2015, 09:57 PM)
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Copy bump. We don't get this kind of information often and this is different than older numbers.
ViciousDS
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(06-09-2015, 09:58 PM)
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That's it? Wow, just wow I was expecting so much more....truly shows just how good they are.
Shauni
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(06-09-2015, 09:58 PM)
That budget seems kind of low to what most people speculate on AAA gaming nowadays. Well, I guess one would consider this a AAA developed title anyway?
OldRoutes
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(06-09-2015, 09:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by ViciousDS

That's it? Wow, just wow I was expecting so much more....truly shows just how good they are.

Can you explain what makes them good, from seeing the budget?
KINGofCRA5H
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(06-09-2015, 09:58 PM)
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Amazing. Worth every penny
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(06-09-2015, 09:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by ViciousDS

That's it? Wow, just wow I was expecting so much more....truly shows just how good they are.

Originally Posted by Shauni

That budget seems kind of low to what most people speculate on AAA gaming nowadays. Well, I guess one would consider this a AAA developed title anyway?

It was made in Poland.
Alienous
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(06-09-2015, 09:59 PM)
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$67 million total sounds about right.
MMaRsu
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(06-09-2015, 09:59 PM)
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Just shows that when you have people who work in good synergy with eachother and know what they are doing you can keep costs down and still develop an amazing ( I hate this shit ) "triple A title".

Good on them :). Tw3 is amazing
anexanhume
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(06-09-2015, 09:59 PM)
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How much of that budget was for free DLCs? I gotta imagine at least 5 million, right?
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(06-09-2015, 09:59 PM)

Originally Posted by ViciousDS

That's it? Wow, just wow I was expecting so much more....truly shows just how good they are.

They did the same (but lower numbers) with Witcher 2. Really low production costs but extremely high polish and quality.

Now imagine these people were given the big boy budgets that EA and Ubisoft piss down the drain every year...
Turkoop
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(06-09-2015, 09:59 PM)
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so less ? expected more
Toki767
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(06-09-2015, 10:00 PM)
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I didn't notice any marketing at all for The Witcher 3.
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(06-09-2015, 10:00 PM)
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How much did Destiny cost?
Last edited by Exploratory; 06-10-2015 at 03:18 AM.
Tenebrous
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(06-09-2015, 10:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by ViciousDS

That's it? Wow, just wow I was expecting so much more....truly shows just how good they are.

Or that they live in a country where wages aren't as high & office rental is nothing in comparison to places like SF.
KKRT00
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(06-09-2015, 10:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by ViciousDS

That's it? Wow, just wow I was expecting so much more....truly shows just how good they are.

Actually this is astronomically high number. Its equivalent to almost $120m for development alone in USA, which is just crazy for a studio of a size of CDPR
Shauni
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(06-09-2015, 10:00 PM)

Originally Posted by Nirolak

It was made in Poland.

Care to elaborate? Not sure what the significance of that is.

EDIT: Just in regards to currency differences?
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(06-09-2015, 10:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by komplanen

They did the same (but lower numbers) with Witcher 2. Really low production costs but extremely high polish and quality.

Now imagine these people were given the big boy budgets that EA and Ubisoft piss down the drain every year...

Yeah all they need to do is pay their staff like they live in Poland.
ViciousDS
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(06-09-2015, 10:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by OldRoutes

Can you explain what makes them good, from seeing the budget?

Um....look at the insane triple A budgets now a days that don't even come close to content as the witcher 3. That's truly an impressive feat and the money was actually put to real and true use, instead of wasted.

Edit: ah, are Poland's wages really that low?
Ray Down
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(06-09-2015, 10:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by Shauni

That budget seems kind of low to what most people speculate on AAA gaming nowadays. Well, I guess one would consider this a AAA developed title anyway?

Its mostly due to being made in poland.
Inferno313
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(06-09-2015, 10:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by ViciousDS

That's it? Wow, just wow I was expecting so much more....truly shows just how good they are.

I think a big part of this is that they don't have to pay their staff as much as an American or Western European studio would due to Poland having a much lower cost of living than the states (Rent is on average 82.94% cheaper in Warsaw than it is in NYC) and also the fact that there's probably a less competitive gaming industry in Poland.
LegalEagleMike
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(06-09-2015, 10:02 PM)
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still very affordable but much more than the claims of only 15 million.
TangoAlphaLima
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(06-09-2015, 10:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by Nirolak

It was made in Poland.

Game pubs to now outsource everything to Poland. That's damn cheap labor.
Ray Down
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(06-09-2015, 10:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by Shauni

Care to elaborate? Not sure what the significance of that is.

Lower cost of living in poland compared to the US and such places.
Bl@de
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(06-09-2015, 10:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by Shauni

Care to elaborate? Not sure what the significance of that is.

EDIT: Just in regards to currency differences?

Polish wages are lower. But still a very low budget compared to other games.
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(06-09-2015, 10:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by Shauni

Care to elaborate? Not sure what the significance of that is.

EDIT: Just in regards to currency differences?

The average household income in Poland is $20,000.

The average household income in the US is $50,000.

You can pay someone doing the same labor in Poland vastly less than you have to if you're making your game in the US.

This lowers development cost significantly.
Lingitiz
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(06-09-2015, 10:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by Toki767

I didn't notice any marketing at all for The Witcher 3.

They were on Conan Clueless Gamer, had major TV spots notably during the NBA playoffs, attended multiple E3 press conferences for the last few years. Witcher 2 never got this kind of media coverage.
Coma Ecliptic
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(06-09-2015, 10:02 PM)
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Man, $100 million, triple AAA gaming is extremely scary and risky.

Very excited for CDPR, well deserved!
ScepticMatt
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(06-09-2015, 10:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by anexanhume

How much of that budget was for free DLCs? I gotta imagine at least 5 million, right?

joke post?
SgtCobra
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(06-09-2015, 10:03 PM)
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For the people not in the know: the wages in Poland are pretty low in comparison with western European countries. They're so low that there are people who go abroad to work for ridiculously low wages and even that is higher than what they'll get in Poland.
Duffman
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(06-09-2015, 10:03 PM)
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So they probably broke even with pre-orders alone?
Pinewood
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(06-09-2015, 10:03 PM)
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What is the avg salary of a game dev in the US? I wonder what it is in Poland.
Flarin
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(06-09-2015, 10:04 PM)
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Well, that'll happen with low salaries and insane crunch periods: http://www.glassdoor.co.in/Reviews/C...ws-E644250.htm
bcolak
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(06-09-2015, 10:05 PM)
32$mil and they made that unplayable glitchfest of a game haha
Caronte
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(06-09-2015, 10:05 PM)
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I imagine salary costs are cheaper in Poland.
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(06-09-2015, 10:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by Pinewood

What is the avg salary of a game dev in the US? I wonder what it is in Poland.

In the U.S. it's $83,060 for salaried employees at professional studios (aka excluding indies): http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/2...lts_are_in.php
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(06-09-2015, 10:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by Caronte

I imagine salary costs are cheaper in Poland.

The average wage in Poland is like 700 dollars a month
KKRT00
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(06-09-2015, 10:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by Pinewood

What is the avg salary of a game dev in the US? I wonder what it is in Poland.

Average cost of typical developer oscillates around $3k-$4k in Poland, thats whole cost with taxes.

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Originally Posted by Lovely Salsa

The average wage in Poland is like 700 dollars a month

Not in engineering, and especially not in IT related industries. And 700 dollars is minimum netto wage in a big city.
TheSinkingKnight
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(06-09-2015, 10:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by bcolak

32$mil and they made that unplayable glitchfest of a game haha

Come again?
Shauni
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(06-09-2015, 10:08 PM)

Originally Posted by Nirolak

The average household income in Poland is $20,000.

The average household income in the US is $50,000.

You can pay someone doing the same labor in Poland vastly less than you have to if you're making your game in the US.

This lowers development cost significantly.

I see. Interesting.
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(06-09-2015, 10:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by Lovely Salsa

The average wage in Poland is like 700 dollars a month

make that $400
Fruitster
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(06-09-2015, 10:08 PM)
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Pretty modest sums really when it comes to the larger studios, it makes what the dev team on the Witcher 3 did all the more impressive.
Pinewood
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Originally Posted by Nirolak

In the U.S. it's $83,060 for salaried employees at professional studios (aka excluding indies): http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/2...lts_are_in.php

Yup I bet its much lower in Poland.
Like if it is twice as low it is still a very high salary for former Soviet countries (thanks a lot, Soviet Union)
IAmRandom31
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(06-09-2015, 10:08 PM)
Impressive with the amount of voice acting and such.

4 million sales @ 60 = 240 million. So they will make a good bit of bank off this
Jackpot
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(06-09-2015, 10:08 PM)
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For comparison, Lost Planet 1 on the X360 was $25 million development and $25 million marketing.
Verger
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(06-09-2015, 10:08 PM)
It is kind of depressing reality that, it cost more to Market the game than it did to actually create it.
KKRT00
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(06-09-2015, 10:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by lashman

make that $400

What? No, lol.

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