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Apple TV 4: Gaming will be major focus
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The Jackdog
Member
im not sure how they make this appealing, people already had their fun with wii controllers.
Keyser Soze
Member
Same thing was said about Fire TV
If it doesn't have a dpad and buttons, it'll be DOA.
I can't imagine the wiimote like thing to play angry birds on the TV being a big deal. You could already play those on your TV. Maybe a Bluetooth controller would help.
That said, I don't see it replacing a system for a 'core' gamer, but I'm sure they're not really expecting to.
I can't imagine the wiimote like thing to play angry birds on the TV being a big deal. You could already play those on your TV. Maybe a Bluetooth controller would help.
That said, I don't see it replacing a system for a 'core' gamer, but I'm sure they're not really expecting to.
DownGrader
Member
What is it, late 2000s?
Although if they will implement IR pointer which I doubt) and geomagnetic sensor (like in iPhone and Wii U GamePad), Apple TV's remote will be a nice successor to Wii Remote... oh wait, it doesn't have buttons or detachable sticks.
Although if they will implement IR pointer which I doubt) and geomagnetic sensor (like in iPhone and Wii U GamePad), Apple TV's remote will be a nice successor to Wii Remote... oh wait, it doesn't have buttons or detachable sticks.
The other topic said it was going to be a PS & XB killer.
Yeah: http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1104485
Yeah: http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1104485
That's also assuming you've never had a computer.
yes and no on this (I actually mostly agree with it).
Huge Apple fan, but yeah... I mean if it's basically a rehash of the Fire TV, it will fail (the gaming portion). Devs will have to make compelling experiences. And while there are absolutely compelling experiences on iPad and iPhone, it remains to be seen how many of those will translate over to the control scheme they are talking about.
Now one thing being left out is if the new box supports MFi controllers, well then you have an ACTUAL PS360 capable console.. BUT historically Apple has only allowed MFi controller support as an "also", not an "only".
tl;dr - for this to really have a chance as a game platform, devs need to bring compelling experiences to the device (which may be easier said than done) and Apple will have to allow for games to REQUIRE MFi controllers if needed.
I'll believe it when I see it.
Yes, I know it's Apple, and Apple anything is a big deal, but I'm not really convinced people will go head over heels for motion controls again. The Wii fad is over.
And Amazon has been trying something very similar with the FireTV and it seems to be going absolutely nowhere.
I saw this coming in 2012.
Truly my thread has helped spur Apple in introducing the App store into the Apple TV.
Truly my thread has helped spur Apple in introducing the App store into the Apple TV.
CosmicQueso
Member
Mobile didn't try to take on dedicated handheld gaming devices, yet here we are.
Sheriff_Battlesnake
Banned
So. Did the miss what happened with PS Move?
I'm not saying it can't be successful, I'm saying even if it is, consoles will still have a place, and enough people to support their continued existence.
It's like the notion Microsoft and some people have that if every Xbox One game were made available on PC, all gamers would suddenly decide to put up with the complications of PC gaming, ignore the convenience of a console, and build a gaming PC overnight.
General_Frags
Member
Good luck Apple.
They would be in a better position if they cleaned up their app store. And if they have Mac gaming streaming, or support for steamos.
They would be in a better position if they cleaned up their app store. And if they have Mac gaming streaming, or support for steamos.
Interfectum
Member
Watch out, Ouya. You might not survive this. ( ๑‾̀◡‾́σ»
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I'm sure you guys won't leave your consoles, and I doubt people will want to replace a console with an Apple TV, but if Apple is good with anything, it's marketing and the casual user. They have the potential to increase demand for gaming in a casual sense, which could eventually prove very lucrative as it has on phones by sheer ubiquity of the devices. If this drags some of those casual users away from their console purchases, enough to effect the consoles, you can bet Sony and Microsoft will start to push the same agenda. While not doom and gloom for the consoles, I'm pretty sure there would be a fuck load of complaining, especially if it gets to a point where some developers choose the more lucrative path.
Of course this is all hypotheticals, and could just be a fart in the wind
Diablohead
Member
I'll be honest in saying that I have been waiting for an apple tv to play app's and games for ages, as long as you can pair up a phone or (apple supported) bluetooth controller to it i'm all for it.
I play games on my iphone 5 most nights and there's a bunch of games I would love to play on a tv directly, my iphoen 5 using HDMI out or AirPlay is too laggy and performance killing.
I play games on my iphone 5 most nights and there's a bunch of games I would love to play on a tv directly, my iphoen 5 using HDMI out or AirPlay is too laggy and performance killing.
Cert.in.Death
Member
The rumor I've seen floating around is it will aim to emulate the same technical fidelity found on PS3/360, so if I'm being optimistic I'm hoping it will target Wii U specs so 1080p/60fps can happen for smaller titles ala Rocket League. But who is supporting it? Is it simply going to be an Apple outlet for indies and ports?
I think there's space for a low-cost, simple games system out there for the mainstream audience and coupled with the Apple ecosystem, there's the potential for disruption. But Apple's not going to get away with just porting iOS games to the TV and calling it a day. Since it seems they're trying to emulate the Wii, they should learn from it: without the software support Nintendo provided, that system was utter garbage.
I think there's space for a low-cost, simple games system out there for the mainstream audience and coupled with the Apple ecosystem, there's the potential for disruption. But Apple's not going to get away with just porting iOS games to the TV and calling it a day. Since it seems they're trying to emulate the Wii, they should learn from it: without the software support Nintendo provided, that system was utter garbage.
CosmicQueso
Member
My point was that this doesn't have to target current Console owners. If it gets enough traction to absorb development dollars and interest, and becomes mass market enough in terms of installed base to make waves, it could indirectly lead to a further decline in software available for the Consoles and basically strangle that market further.
Backlogger
Member
All I want for Apple TV is a native Plex app. That is literally all I want. I have gaming consoles and a PC for gaming.
I could see how there could be appeal for this for some people though. My kids would probably like it (they play lots of games on their iPods)
I know lots of people that play games on their phones but don't consider themselves to be gamers nor do they own consoles or the like. This is likely who they are targeting.
I could see how there could be appeal for this for some people though. My kids would probably like it (they play lots of games on their iPods)
I know lots of people that play games on their phones but don't consider themselves to be gamers nor do they own consoles or the like. This is likely who they are targeting.
I'm going to need to see this Apple TV before commenting more.
Right now I don't see it as a threat to the console industry if it's just going to play mobile games but primarily be a digital media streaming device.
Unless it starts to get its own ecosystem and large third party publishers onboard then I can see what you say happening. But even with a large install base this will need gaming software to ever be a threat.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
I think when it comes to TV people want a convenient way to watch different programming, so an Apple TV is good as long as it can keep people watching, record like a DVR, and whatever they think.
I've been thinking about the amount of money I've spent on the app store and I do own consoles and a PC. I'm sure you could talk someone into it who doesn't play video games on a console or PC.
There's always the crowd who buys gadgets, but they ignore gaming altogether. Apple is about as universal in terms of who owns the product. Gaming has been gaming for a very long time and the people who know gaming know who makes the consoles. A TV like this is bound to sell if it does DVR, but I can't just replace my game console because APPLE wants to make one.
MS made the Xbox, but this isn't like that. This is the app store and whatever comes with it. Who knows, there's someone trying to reinvent the wheel or start their own network.
It makes me think some people feel ashamed by owning a physical disc and having to walk into to the store to buy games. They want something that goes on the side without it being 100% for gaming.
I've been thinking about the amount of money I've spent on the app store and I do own consoles and a PC. I'm sure you could talk someone into it who doesn't play video games on a console or PC.
There's always the crowd who buys gadgets, but they ignore gaming altogether. Apple is about as universal in terms of who owns the product. Gaming has been gaming for a very long time and the people who know gaming know who makes the consoles. A TV like this is bound to sell if it does DVR, but I can't just replace my game console because APPLE wants to make one.
MS made the Xbox, but this isn't like that. This is the app store and whatever comes with it. Who knows, there's someone trying to reinvent the wheel or start their own network.
It makes me think some people feel ashamed by owning a physical disc and having to walk into to the store to buy games. They want something that goes on the side without it being 100% for gaming.
Interfectum
Member
Heh.
sixteen-bit
Member
I wonder if it'll have the same amount of Bandai support.
Hunkasaurus Rex
Banned
Is Apple very big in Japan? They've embraced mobile gaming much more than the U.S.
How is that any different from the Fire TV though?
Touch controllers could work.
There's a Steam app called Gesture works for Windows 8 users that allow android devices to be used as controllers.
You could imagine using an iPad or IPhone as a optional touch controller while the game is running from the Apple TV.
Here's the android and Windows 8 app that allows Android devices to be used as controllers for Steam Games
Looks decent. Could work with Apple TV.
There's a Steam app called Gesture works for Windows 8 users that allow android devices to be used as controllers.
You could imagine using an iPad or IPhone as a optional touch controller while the game is running from the Apple TV.
Here's the android and Windows 8 app that allows Android devices to be used as controllers for Steam Games
Looks decent. Could work with Apple TV.
Still wouldn't buy an Apple TV
I think it'll be a cool feature people will enjoy, but I doubt it will make much of a dent in dedicated consoles' hold on the market, even if that is Apple's goal (which I kind of doubt). This doesn't really look to offer anything that hasn't been tried before; it just supports Apple's excellent app selection.
Trogdor1123
Gold Member
Isnt this just a console anyways? Looks like more consoles rather than less...