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ElTorro
I wanted to dominate the living room. Then I took an ESRAM in the knee.
(09-11-2015, 11:06 AM)
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We know that Konami has removed P.T. from the PlayStation Store, and that you cannot download it anymore, even if you had "bought" it when it as still active. For that reason, I kept my installation of P.T. and have not changed anything. I haven't deleted save games, haven't changed my hard drive, nor done anything else to that installation. It worked before, even after Konami had removed the game from the store.

Now though, all of the sudden, I cannot start the game anymore. This is what happens when I try:



Restoring licenses via the settings does not help.

Haven't found any info using the forum search. Do your copies still work?

/edit: PS, I am using the German PSN Store.

/edit2:

Explanation

The accepted theory is that the cause of my problem is that in Germany P.T. is bound to a PS+ membership, in order to indirectly check the age restriction of the game, since you have to be at least 18 years old here to get PS+. Apparently, when you renew your PS+ subscription, it is handled by Sony's systems as if you had unsubscribed and then immediately subscribed again. That causes the system to register a lapse in your subscription. Consequently, all licenses on your console are invalidated and subsequently restored. Since P.T. isn't on the store anymore, restoring license for that game fails, leading to a worthless local copy.
NEO0MJ
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(09-11-2015, 11:07 AM)
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Does that mean that all my PS4s which have a copy of this game are now worthless?
Tizoc
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(09-11-2015, 11:07 AM)
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Have you tried playing offline?
Voyevoda
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(09-11-2015, 11:08 AM)
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I just launched the game, it works just fine, even though I'm online.

(EUR/French PSN here)
Dio
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(09-11-2015, 11:09 AM)
Mine still works.
ShogunDarius
(09-11-2015, 11:09 AM)
german psn?
ElTorro
I wanted to dominate the living room. Then I took an ESRAM in the knee.
(09-11-2015, 11:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by Tizoc

Have you tried playing offline?

Just tried it. Makes no difference.

Originally Posted by ShogunDarius

german psn?

Yeah.
Bl@de
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(09-11-2015, 11:09 AM)
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German version? It's tied to PS Plus there. Maybe that expired for you.
ramparter
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(09-11-2015, 11:09 AM)
Imagine all the people who gave crazy money to buy PS4s with P.T.
Killthee
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(09-11-2015, 11:10 AM)
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Originally Posted by Voyevoda

I just launched the game, it works just fine, even though I'm online.

Same.
Via Purifico
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(09-11-2015, 11:10 AM)
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Works fine for me too US here.
CoyoteSpitfire
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(09-11-2015, 11:11 AM)
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Still works for me both online and offline.
plasmawave
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(09-11-2015, 11:11 AM)
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Mine works.
ElTorro
I wanted to dominate the living room. Then I took an ESRAM in the knee.
(09-11-2015, 11:11 AM)
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Originally Posted by Bl@de

German version? It's tied to PS Plus there. Maybe that expired for you.

I have a PS Plus subscription with automatic renewal. That shouldn't be the problem.

/edit: Although I remember that the first try to charge my credit card had failed, because for some reason the transaction triggered a security lock at VISA. I had to call my bank and tell them to clear that transaction. Uh, maybe that fucked something up and invalidated the license for a short time.
Kayero
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(09-11-2015, 11:12 AM)
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Same problem for me although I'm still a PS+ member. This really sucks.
Spades
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(09-11-2015, 11:12 AM)
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I love that people care so much about this demo.
plasmawave
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(09-11-2015, 11:13 AM)
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If you have multiple accounts try it with another one.
Gamesgbkiller
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(09-11-2015, 11:13 AM)
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Are you using the same account that you download the demo from ?
AmethystEnd
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(09-11-2015, 11:13 AM)
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Originally Posted by Kayero

Same problem for me although I'm still a PS+ member. This really sucks.

Are you also German psn?
bombshell
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(09-11-2015, 11:13 AM)
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Does it mention any expiry date under Options Button -> Information?

Mine doesn't and still works.
Dio
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(09-11-2015, 11:14 AM)

Originally Posted by Spades

I love that people care so much about this demo.

Yeah, it's historic and has been elevated by the fact that P.T. will never be a full game. It's videogame history and Konami doesn't like that people still care about it.
ElTorro
I wanted to dominate the living room. Then I took an ESRAM in the knee.
(09-11-2015, 11:14 AM)
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Originally Posted by plasmawave

If you have multiple accounts try it with another one.

Originally Posted by Gamesgbkiller

Are you using the same account that you download the demo from ?

Yeah, I just have one account.
Krejlooc
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(09-11-2015, 11:14 AM)

Originally Posted by Spades

I love that people care so much about this demo.

It will eventually become a rarity. Hideo kojima's lost game.
MarkMclovin
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(09-11-2015, 11:15 AM)
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Originally Posted by Spades

I love that people care so much about this demo.

And probably the first time they've booted it up since day 1.
Kayero
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(09-11-2015, 11:15 AM)
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Originally Posted by AmethystEnd

Are you also German psn?

Yep.
I really hope that there's a fix for this problem...
Persona7
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(09-11-2015, 11:15 AM)
Possibly corrupted?
Enter the Dragon Punch
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(09-11-2015, 11:15 AM)
And so it begins.
AmethystEnd
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(09-11-2015, 11:16 AM)
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Originally Posted by Enter the Dragon Punch

And so it begins.

Only for German PSN users it seems.
Alan-GAF
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(09-11-2015, 11:18 AM)
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UK GAF here i will check mine when i get home.

Best not have been blocked, i haven't finished it yet.
toythatkills
(09-11-2015, 11:18 AM)
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Originally Posted by Kayero

Same problem for me although I'm still a PS+ member. This really sucks.

Did you renew recently?

Isn't the way PS+ works on PSN that you lose the games at the end of whatever membership you've bought, then it "re-purchases" them when you start the next one - even if you auto-renew. That's why everyone's download lists are screwed up when PS+ renews.

Maybe when you lose the PT license, PS+ can't get it back.
ElTorro
I wanted to dominate the living room. Then I took an ESRAM in the knee.
(09-11-2015, 11:20 AM)
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Originally Posted by toythatkills

Did you renew recently?

Isn't the way PS+ works on PSN that you lose the games at the end of whatever membership you've bought, then it "re-purchases" them when you start the next one - even if you auto-renew. That's why everyone's download lists are screwed up when PS+ renews.

Maybe when you lose the PT license, PS+ can't get it back.

That would really suck if true, but it would make sense. I renewed PS+ recently.
AkimbO_Arcana
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(09-11-2015, 11:21 AM)
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Same here, also in Germany. Realized it a couple of weeks ago. When I lock in with the account of a friend on my console I can still launch it.

Fuck you Konami.
sappyday
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(09-11-2015, 11:21 AM)
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Imagine Konmai added some trojan horse onto MGSV that does this to P.T. if you still have it.
Dio
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(09-11-2015, 11:22 AM)
Proof mine still works fine:



Took it when I saw your GIF in the OP
DieH@rd
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(09-11-2015, 11:22 AM)
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Originally Posted by ElTorro

That would really suck if true, but it would make sense. I renewed PS+ recently.



#fucKonami
DrZeus
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(09-11-2015, 11:23 AM)
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I have a ps4 with PT and the Hogan dlc from 2k15 on it. Sitting on a nest egg 😎
Persona7
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(09-11-2015, 11:23 AM)

Originally Posted by sappyday

Imagine Konmai added some trojan horse onto MGSV that does this to P.T. if you still have it.

If that happened wouldn't it have been implemented by the actual development team? Kojima Productions?
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
(09-11-2015, 11:24 AM)
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I should probably use the Hdd backup function to keep this, yes?

Even if I have to restore it in many years and re download anything else, It would be worth it...
ElTorro
I wanted to dominate the living room. Then I took an ESRAM in the knee.
(09-11-2015, 11:26 AM)
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Is P.T. bound to PS+ in all regions? Apparently, that is what fucks up the license once the subscription renews.
NEO0MJ
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(09-11-2015, 11:26 AM)
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Originally Posted by Enter the Dragon Punch

And so it begins.

You know, I'm kinda surprised Konami didn't release a patch that bricked the game.
NightShift
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(09-11-2015, 11:28 AM)
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Don't do this Konami. This is beyond cruel.
plasmawave
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(09-11-2015, 11:29 AM)
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Why would it be tied to your PS+ tho? It was a free demo for everyone even for non-PS+ members.
AmethystEnd
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(09-11-2015, 11:30 AM)
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Originally Posted by ElTorro

Is P.T. bound to PS+ in all regions? Apparently, that is what fucks up the license once the subscription renews.

No. It's only bound to PS+ in Germany. I can't remember the reason why this is the case.

Edit: GUYS, quit it with the sky is falling FUD and nonsense. YES, this is a real problem for German PSN users but there's no need to bust out conspiracy theories about trojans in MGS5 and the like.

Edit 2: Ah yes, Bombshell has the correct reason below.
bombshell
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(09-11-2015, 11:30 AM)
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Originally Posted by ElTorro

Is P.T. bound to PS+ in all regions? Apparently, that is what fucks up the license once the subscription renews.

No, only Germany.

Sony can't give away 18+ rated content for free in Germany, so they tie it to PS+ which requires the user to be 18 years old.
driver116
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(09-11-2015, 11:30 AM)
Hopefully a PC ver leaks one day and we can preserve this iconic piece of gaming history. That or somehow Sony develops the IP themselves??(Longshot)
NinjamicWZ
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(09-11-2015, 11:32 AM)

Originally Posted by Enter the Dragon Punch

And so it begins.

Yep. Same thing I thought I saw this thread.
AkimbO_Arcana
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(09-11-2015, 11:35 AM)
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The PS+ explanation makes sense. I'm not on auto renewal and was non plus for like two days a few months back.

:(
BocoDragon
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(09-11-2015, 11:35 AM)
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Originally Posted by driver116

Hopefully a PC ver leaks one day and we can preserve this iconic piece of gaming history. That or somehow Sony develops the IP themselves??(Longshot)

Well, the code for this demo is not going anywhere. Pirates already have it backed up. We just can't run the code on a PS4 yet.

Eventually they'll crack a way to run unsigned code to be run on PS4 and/or there will be a PS4 emulator.

Though having said that.. it's just a tiny little experience with a huge mindshare... And something that really only mattered because of the bigger game that it hinted at. But just saying, there's nothing about P.T. that will be "lost".
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(09-11-2015, 11:35 AM)
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I imagine that PS Plus doesn't hold on to the downloads "just in case" you renew. The programs just probably going to the store and downloading everything over again, which would mean that it had no way of retrieving the P.T demo. Essentially the system just thinks you deleted it.
ElTorro
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(09-11-2015, 11:35 AM)
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