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Young Greek women selling sex for the price of a sandwich (or not, see #245)

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Dice

Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
“It doesn’t look like these numbers will fade,” he told the Times. “Rather they are growing at a steady and consistent pace.”
And if it doesn't get better soon, it may never, like the Philippines.

Sex work as a free market trade between consenting adults can make sense, but it needs to be truly freely consented. If the situation is one party does what the party with power (money) wants that the other party doesn't want but does because it is needed to survive, that is not business, that is slavery.
 

Kyuur

Member
The free market at work, right capitalist-gaf?

I hope these people get some support from their government or others.
 

SterGaf

Member
The old narrative was that the Greeks were lazy and didn't want to pay their taxes.

The new narrative is that the hapless and naive Greeks were incapable of understanding that the clever Germans were tricking them. Personally it seems extremely paternalistic and condescending.

I think that if you want to treat the Greeks like adults, you have to lay some of the blame at the feet of their government. They borrowed too heavily with access to cheap capital and put too much of the money toward social services and not enough toward economic modernization.

Actually, Greeks blamed the politicians long before the narratives. It was a known issue all along, the cheating politicians, the scandals and what not, but nobody knew it was THAT bad, because the government lied.

If anything is the Greek people's fault is that they stayed with this con for way too long, in the name of stability. The overblown public sector was always the butt of the joke, but everyone else had the opportunity to do relatively well, so one was really willing to change things up.

And that sums the the modern Greek populace. Longing for change but unwilling to move on until it is too late and out of its hands. In my opinion, this goes back to the civil war and junta etc, when a lot of national ghosts were created, and generations were scarred, wanting an opportunity to move on and thus latching onto the overpromising politicians like Papandreou or Karmanlis. If they can secure yourself and your family a job then it's ok. You can't expect the average citizen to think long term.

In the end, it became a farce of two political parties promising their voters things and switching places every other election; there is an interesting book on this, 'Populism and Crisis Politics in Greece',by Takis S. Pappas. And considering Greece has a lot of old people, that system was thriving until the crisis.

Tl;dr: My point is, the Greek people blame themselves, their past choices, the politicians, the system. They are completely self-aware and put the blame on themselves before anyone else.
 
Feel free to source this.
Everybody looked away when countries didn't meet deficit criteria. There were no consequences for it.

Issing said he blames an absence of adequate sanctions for the currency bloc’s current condition, which he called “critical” at an event yesterday hosted by Nykredit A/S.
“There should have been better monitoring, better scrutiny and more sanctioning,” he said in the interview. “This crisis wasn’t unavoidable.” [...]

European Commission reports have since revealed Greece’s budget hasn’t been within the 3 percent limit a single year since its accession.

Greece went unpunished except for being told by the EU to tighten up its bookkeeping. At the same time, proposals to strengthen Eurostat, the bloc’s statistics watchdog, foundered on national opposition.

Germany and France helped ease the rules when they forced through the relaxation of the anti-debt “stability pact” in 2005 after three years of deficits above the threshold.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...uro-sanctions-since-were-too-soft-issing-says

Yes, the Greek government cheated and continued their ineffective government, large public sector and didn't do much about tax evasion. But the other countries didn't raise many objections, because they didn't want more rules enforced also.
 

Anfang

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Yes, the Greek government cheated and continued their ineffective government, large public sector and didn't do much about tax evasion. But the other countries didn't raise many objections, because they didn't want more rules enforced also.

Probably because they figured Greece could work through their shit that was actually presented when trying to join. If the actual situation had ben transparent they would have got a quick fuck no and get out.
 
Probably because they figured Greece could work through their shit that was actually presented. If Everything had been transparent it would have been a quick fuck off.
I think that is a very one sided view. They looked away because they themselves also didn't follow the rules. Germany didn't even meet the deficit requirements in the early 2000s.

Are the Greeks to blame? Yes. But there were plenty of parties involved who lined their pockets to make it that way.
 

Anfang

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I think that is a very one sided view. They looked away because they themselves also didn't follow the rules. Germany didn't even meet the deficit requirements in the early 2000s.

So they werent being hypocrites and enforcing a rule they themselves were having issues with every year. Whats your point
 

SterGaf

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Probably because they figured Greece could work through their shit that was actually presented when trying to join. If the actual situation had ben transparent they would have got a quick fuck no and get out.

The reason Greece was allowed to join was so that the euro would get more competitive. And that's it. The only reason. In addition they opened the political floodgates, so that the other southern countries would join. If anything, the euro project was just a big power boost to european corporations. And all the people were lied to, but only few were actually benefited in the long run.
 
So they werent being hypocrites and enforcing a rule they themselves were having issues with every year. Whats your point
That the rules weren't being enforced, so why blame the Greeks so much for not taking them that serious also. It's a problem everybody in the Eurozone helped create, but now we point at the Greeks to fix their shit while we enjoyed the benefits for years with a more competitive currency.
 

Prologue

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Anfang

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That the rules weren't being enforced, so why blame the Greeks so much for not taking them that serious also.

They werent being enforced as strictly as they possibly should have been however, the greeks knew that their economic situation was above and beyond any sort of flexibility in the criteria to join.
 

GSG Flash

Nobody ruins my family vacation but me...and maybe the boy!
That's really fucking sad :(

And that first post is shameful, glad he was dealt with appropriately.
 
I knew things were bad in Greece, but this is heartbreaking in a way that I simply can't describe.

The price of a sandwich. Jesus Christ, I threw a sandwich away the other day and to think someone is selling their body for one is just...
 
They werent being enforced as strictly as they possibly should have been however, the greeks knew that their economic situation was above and beyond any sort of flexibility in the criteria to join.
They weren't enforced at all, so looking back it is easy to blame the Greeks (and Italians, Spanish, Portuguese, Irish, etc), but why didn't the other countries care for so long before? Because they had an interest in keeping them in like that.

And you'd think if those rules were deemed so important to join, that the other Euro nations would have had a better check on it and ask for the receipts. They didn't, because they didn't really care.

It's Greece's mess to deal with either way now, but I think it is unfair to put all the blame on them.
 

bengraven

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Edit: Ugh, never mind. It was a stupid joke that was funny for a week about a month ago and the story is depressing as hell.
 

Ray Wonder

Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
I can see it now. He posted it super quick thinking he'd get tons of quotes and favorable responses. He gets up to go to the restroom or get some food or something and comes back to being banned.

Damn he did get banned! hahaha

Hey, well you gotta be more careful or else you might endorse having sex with desperate struggling 12 year old prostitutes.

Lesson learned I'm guessing.




Situation is terrible over there.
 

Griss

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You never used to see prostitutes in Ireland much and most of the escorts were online, and foreign nationals filling a niche. When the recession hit, there was a lag of about 3 years before things got desperate for people and then you started seeing them on the streets in places you never would have before, and you started to see actual local Irish escorts online. Prices went from about 150 per half hour to 75. Prices on the street were obviously lower.

It was desperately sad. Desperately sad to see how the terrible decisions of government affect the real people on the ground who never had any say in the decision made during the recession, while so many of the bondholders got off scot-free without even any haircut.

And that was Ireland - Greece was about 5 times worse, I've heard. My deepest sympathies to anyone that desperate or suffering real poverty.
 

Arksy

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So things in Greece keep getting worse and yet 90% of people want to keep the instrument of pain, the euro?
 

Paracelsus

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That's why I compared staying in the EU for some countries is like dealing with a loan shark, because ultimately that's what it is. Soon we'll end up just like them.
 

lemmykoopa

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2$ for sex? I don't really believe it. That's like 10 times cheaper than Thailand, Philippines, some parts of Africa. Greece may be broke, but not THAT broke.
 

ajim

Member
I saw a VICE documentary about Liberia and the price was $1 for full service.

Then there was that sting in the UK where women were having sex for half a cigarette
Yeah it's insane.

Typically you can buy a full service for like 300z which is about $30aud, but in the poorer black townships and suburbs girls are selling themselves for around 30z, which is $3aud.

Blows my mind.

And it's just accepted as normal and people joke about it here.

Blows my mind.
 
The whole situation is disgusting and make me want to puke.

Can't wait to see the EU disappear.

And it's just accepted as normal and people joke about it here.

Yeah. Almost as sad as the situation of those poor women to see how much we have been dehumanized.
 
I took that first post as a suggestion that young Greek women should leave Greece.
Took me a while to convert that into "I'm taking the first plane to Greece."

Isn't there complete mobility within the EU? Can't anyone go look for work elsewhere and return home just for vacation?

My parents speak only French and I've spent my life in an English speaking province because that's where I could get a job.
 
Everybody looked away when countries didn't meet deficit criteria. There were no consequences for it.

In democracy, like capitalism, you need those people who make poor choices to help others decide between short and long term gains.


What consequences would have helped Greece? Fines? Think about it.
 

Arksy

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What?

Greece could leave the EU if they wanted, but it's hard to start a new currency that's worth basically nothing and pay your employees with that.

You're right. It is hard, but being able to decouple and export your way back to growth is the only plausible solution.
 
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