Obsidian agreed on the contract. It's not like Bethesda forced it on them the day the game launched. If NV was really what fucked Obsidian up then that's their mistake not Bethesda.
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Will Obsidian do a new Fallout?
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Obsidian agreed on the contract. It's not like Bethesda forced it on them the day the game launched. If NV was really what fucked Obsidian up then that's their mistake not Bethesda.
I don't really know what else Bethesda did for Fallout 3 except write a story and make a bunch of 3D Fallout assets, Fallout lore was already well developed at that point and F3 isn't that far removed from Oblivion in terms of engine and gameplay mechanics.
I don't think it was. They had their Aliens game cancelled, and Alpha Protocol flopped around that same time. Obsidian had a string of bad deals or deals that fell through in the late 00s early 10s.
razzmahtazz
Member
Who wrote the good stuff in FONV? With Chris Avellone gone would it still be as good?
I haven't heard this from many people. On PC, Fallout 4 was much less buggy than both 3 and NV at launch.
Citizen_Insane
Member
Would love to see them work on an Elder Scrolls game instead, but I don't they'll work with Bethesda again.
exmachina64
Banned
The bonus was $50,000. People act like this amount of money would have stabilized the studio.
Did you like Fallout 1? Chris Avellone didn't work on Fallout 1.
In a lot of ways NV was the more open-ended game. If you really enjoy role-playing your character NV let your imagination run wild with the backstory. If anything, FO4 ruined all of that by saying "you are this character we have created and you just get to decide if they are nice or mean." I resent that. It didn't ruin the game for me but that's just no fun. It's almost like they decided it was more important to implement the clever little bathroom character creator than it was for players to invent their own person. NV also gave players more options with difficulty and resource management and FO4 really scaled that back. I know equipment degredation is a bit of a pain but to me it really added to the feeling of scrounging to survive with whatever you could.
Can Bethesda force Obsidian into a longer time frame by setting new goals without paying them compensation? I know Bethesda had done some shitty shady stuff in the past but I don't see how they were the culprit in Obsidian financial situation back then.
Psychoward
Banned
At least New Vegas can run on modern OSs
A small studio cannot afford to fight. The legal system works quite well if you are rich.
That would actually do wonders for the franchise, I think.
Bethesda has been more and more content to make a lot of what makes the Elder Scrolls unique (with respect to their world mythology) rather bland and vanilla in tone and flavor. They still have their moments of creativity and genius, but a game set in the Black Marsh by Obsidian would honestly do a lot to showcase just how unique that universe is.
On topic, the probability is likely very low, despite how much I would love one. I didn't really like FO3, but I played FONV for countless hours. It was the game that made me actually pick up the first two Fallouts which, I pleasantly discovered, were closer to it in tone and style.
I've only played Bethesda's published games on the 360/X1 and New Vegas was by far the worst/buggiest there.
Easton Dark
Member
As can 3. Like, without issue.
This has been brought up before. It has been debunked even on Neogaf before.
Zenimax will probably do a Fallout MMO while Howard and his team work on the next Elder Scrolls.
New Vegas was the best but it certainly wasn't the least buggy. The game was a complete mess at launch.
New Vegas was the best but it certainly wasn't the least buggy. The game was a complete mess at launch.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Nope. According to an interview Feargus did they actually have their own dialogue engine that they can ghetto rig into Bethesda's engine and I imagine given the chance they would most likely just do that again.
exmachina64
Banned
Yes, I know, Zenimax didn't allocate enough resources to QA either out of incompetence or a malicious intent to prevent Obsidian from earning a bonus of $50,000.
E_Darkness
Member
I want them to, but it won't happen.
Psychoward
Banned
I did the GFWL fix and the game still crashes about 10 times more than New Vegas.
Never thought contracts could be this vague that the publisher can reject something for not liking it's quality and not based on clear criteria that the developer can argue against which I find strange that a developer can accept a contract like this unless they trusted the publisher. Still that doesn't explain how Obsidian were fucked by Bethesda exactly. Do you have story of that?
The PC version of 4 is one whole point above NV. Checkmate, Obsidian fanboys.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
All of the reviews? Also, in general Bethesda Fallout is more well received by the public.
decoyplatypus
Member
Multiple people wrote good stuff for New Vegas. Avellone was one of them. John Gonzalez was the lead writer for the base game and Honest Hearts, but he's no longer at Obsidian. Eric Fenstermaker designed the famous "Beyond the Beef" questline and is still at Obsidian. I'm sure Josh Sawyer handled plenty of writing in addition to his overall design responsibilities, but I don't know if he was responsible for a specific faction or companion.
Psychoward
Banned
and god help them if they remove it entirely, casuals who play it will call down from high heavens that their immersion is removed. As if poor writing, dialog, worldbuilding and lack of choice doesn't remove their immersion more.
Bethesda would never allow them to go non-voice acted. The dialogue wheel is a symptom of that.
Psychoward
Banned
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallout-4
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallout-new-vegas
for the second, citation needed
Stevey
Member
I've seen this sort of shit in the VFX/Animation business as well. Big companies outsource or copro large projects with fresh new studios, then introduce delays that put massive amounts of strain on the studios. When you're stuck in production hell on one project, money stops coming in until you hit your milestone. Productivity degrades, relationships become strained and the dominant company swoops in and steals talent.
Dishonored is a much better game and world than Bethesda's version of Fallout. I'd much rather them stay on their own thing.
I wish. Bethesda isn't going to give them the chance though.
So, I take it that you dislike the sprinting, grenade button, V.A.N.S., slo-mo V.A.T.S. and the building mechanics in Fallout 4, too, right? Those were also all in some of the most popular New Vegas (and in some cases Fallout 3) mods out there.
They could try to put the Alpha Protocol-system in. That wouldn't work great for a Fallout game, but it would be better than what we have now.
This is an odd response.
Psychoward
Banned
How is it odd? I have Windows 10 and had more problems running 3 than I ever did New Vegas. And yes I tried about everything possible before just refunding 3 and staying content with the 360 GOTY version.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
All of the reviews? That's hilarious. Many people preferred New Vegas over Fallout 3. Impossible to say whether it was the majority.
My original post was responding to some bozo saying that new Vegas was poorly received, which is subjectively false.
They've done it before with Alpha Protocol. It was even less explicit.
And let's be honest, Obsidian would do whatever it can, regardless of the depth of RPG mechanics. They did Dungeon Siege 3 and are working on that tank game.
The OH MY GOD BABIES dialogue system would be the least of their worries.
That's because in those games, especially the Witcher franchise, your character has a more predefined role in their universe. You make choices as Shepard or Geralt. Bethesda games (and Fallout in general) used to be more about deciding yourself who you are and what your role is, and then making choices as your own character. You're not Shepard or Geralt, you're the 'Vault Dweller'. Sure, you usually have a predefined heritage (Sole Survivor) or destiny (Dragonborn) to some extent, but for the most part the protagonist is a blank slate.
Fallout 4 wants to make both approaches work at the same time, but having a voiced lead cripples both. Instead of being a Shepard/Geralt or a blank slate it has to comprimise, with as result a generic sounding voiced lead that can't be as interesting a protagonist as a Shepard/Geralt to allow for blank slate style role-play, while limiting the latter just by giving your character a voice.
Of course, the new dialogue system and Bethesda's writing don't help either.
You dare say that Bethesda isnt a fount of original ideas, do not steal?
Orniletter
Banned
Bethesda literally pretends certain milestones during development aren't met so they can halt payments to make companies go...almost bankrupt. Then they offer to buy the developer for a song and a dance.
They are assholes.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Fallout 3's intro is way too long. Thank God they learned this in Fallout 4.
theusedversion
Member
Bethesda might be salty how Obsidian took their game and did a better job than they did. It wouldn't surprise me if that was the case since the Bethesda team is so small. But who knows. Probably not.
Psychoward
Banned
New Vegas' is shorter and doesn't railroad the player's roleplaying.