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What game popularized using the second analog stick as the camera control?
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Soleil rouge
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Can't answer your question, but I'll never forget the first game I played which used the second anolog stick as the camera, Medal of Honor: Frontline for the PS2. I was aiming like a blind man with Parkinson's disease. I got used to it after more practice, of course. It just felt so unnatural at first.
PataHikari
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From the very start that was basically its point
That's not the same thing at all.
Mr_Antimatter
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Timepslitters. Predated halo, and basically showed the methods brilliance. Granted it was an evolution of Turoks controls.
paragonpro
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Halo for me, its funny that it felt alien at the time when now its second nature
The analog stick controlled the character and the d-pad controlled the camera.
Seems pretty close to the same thing. The OP didn't specify FPS games.
QualityPixel
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Didn't Turok 1 uses the yellow buttons to move and the stick to look around? But I think the first game to really take off using twin sticks was halo 1?
Colony Wars was the first game I played that used dual sticks but I can't remember what the controls were like.
Colony Wars was the first game I played that used dual sticks but I can't remember what the controls were like.
I think Goldeneye was one of the first games to offer this kind of dual analogue control, although you needed to use a controller in each hand. Unless you are referring to 3rd person camera control.
Although it wasn't the primary control scheme. Hard to argue it popularised it.
Edit: it's not Halo, Timesplitters at least predates it
Although it wasn't the primary control scheme. Hard to argue it popularised it.
Edit: it's not Halo, Timesplitters at least predates it
Refreshment.01
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Some questions:
1) Does it have to be an analog stick specifically for camera control?
2) Does it has to be a second analog?
1. Because the VB controller had two Dpads, the second one was deviced to acomodate camera controls and 3D movement in spcace.
2. Because there are tons of N64 games that used the stick for camera control. And like someone pointed out there was an entire section of the controller (the C button area) dedicated for separated camera control. Basically it was the precursor to what became the right stick, they even share the same position in the controller.
Graphics Horse
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That wasn't camera control though. There were some ps1 fps games that worked with dualshock.
Slamtastic
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nkarafo
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Is this a real quote?
Septimus Prime
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I remember Croc was one of the first games that supported dual analog control. I don't remember if the right stick moved the camera, though.
Think about it, the c buttons (C stands for camera by the way) where like a second d-pad, this planted the idea and the next logical step was a second stick rather than a second d-pad.
Like someone mentioned, that one Alien game did it, i recall someone posting a scan of a game review blasting the game for that innovative idea recently in tumblr.
So funny in hindsight, but i recall struggling with Turok's controls which, as pointed out already, are the predecesot to the modern fps control.
Edit:
yeah that's the thing i was thinking about.
And?
As someone else pointed out, Goldeneye N64 from 1997 had a dual analog mode:
http://goldeneye.wikia.com/wiki/Control_style
Way to miss the entire point of the thread.
It was some PS1 game but the one that made it mainstream was Halo imo.
IdreamofHIME
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I didn't really like 3rd person games that used the right stick for camera until last gen, no matter how good the game was on the PS2/Xbox gen there was always a percentage of jank that I couldn't bear.
Laevateinn
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I used to play Golden Eye where the analog stick was used for aiming and the C-buttons moved me. My brothers thought I was cheating because of it.
Turok 1 is the earliest example of this control scheme that I can think of, but it's southpaw compared to what eventually became popular.
-shadow-
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This can't be real. Because it's absolutely amazing!
MrTroubleMaker
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I liked that game.
Conkerkid11
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Dam, real?
Refreshment.01
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Golden Eye, the "Honey" setup used 2 N64 controllers. One for movement and one for camera.
Turok 1, used the C camera buttons for "WASD" type controls and the Thumbstick for aim. It works really well.
Jet Force Gemini is an interesting case since it works as an hybrid. The Thumbstick works both for locomotion and to aim. It works great.
There are a variety of N64 games that use two analogs. The other one i remember is Star Wars Pod racer. im not quite sure but maybe Robotron 64 does two, since it's an adaptation of an arcade twin stick shooter after all.
TouchMyBox
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I remember ape escape doing this but I could be making that up.
Wait, was the second stick for the net controls? I don't know anymore.
Wait, was the second stick for the net controls? I don't know anymore.
N30RYU
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Amazing
Indeed it is.
Remember folks, every new "gimmick" that you look down upon when it first comes out could be something that becomes staple in our industry.
Graphics Horse
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Yeah ape escape used it for gadget controls.
To be fair, I could see the reviewer trashing the control scheme if it wasn't playable, or tanklike, or something. It doesn't mean it's a bad scheme, it just means it's terrible to play.
Multiple other reviews mention control problems, such as odd strafe buttons and having to press down a button to enable camera movement. It seems it's not a matter of adaptation but a matter of poor controls.
Refreshment.01
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The Dual Stick scheme for moving and aiming is far from intuitive, is a nightmare infact. But it became an standard.
Now let's imagine the game controlled badly and did so with a very inorganic way. Of course it's going to get poor reviews in the control aspect.
And is not like it matters anyway, the Alien game was from 99. Golden Eye had the two stick controls back in 97.
Version 3.0
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"Popularized" depends on how popular a game needs to be to qualify for the term. Turok was my first exposure to that scheme, although of course the default controls were southpaw vs. the norm today, and the other "stick" were the C-buttons (C as in "camera", that's literally what they were designed for). Turok was a pretty popular game/series, so that's where I'd give the credit.
I also played Goldeneye that way, which was a more popular game, but the default scheme was half aim, half move on each stick (weird as hell, IMO, thank goodness it had what I called "Turok controls" as an option).
I also played Goldeneye that way, which was a more popular game, but the default scheme was half aim, half move on each stick (weird as hell, IMO, thank goodness it had what I called "Turok controls" as an option).
Mr_Antimatter
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It's perfectly intuitive though, it's basically an adaptation of WASD/mouselook controls.
To be fair to Goldeneye, that game had such generous auto-aim(and most levels didn't have much vertical aiming anyway) that you pretty much never needed to touch the up and down C-buttons.
Refreshment.01
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It is not.
You know why i categorically said that? Because i took the time to do research about it.
It takes a lot of time for a person that had never used the scheme to adapt. Hell, you just need to transport yourself to the first time you tried the method.
You know what setup is truly intuitive? The Nunchuck/Wii Remote. The people i tested understood and adapted far quicker to this way of control.
Even the Mouse (keyboard is a POS for most gaming in reality) has a clear advantage since is a more precise and easy to manipulate device. And people undersand it better than manipulating the view with a thumbstick.
Chezzymann
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I think its fine, just takes some getting used to.
XxSlasherMcGirkxX
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ha ha wow
Digital =/ Analog????????
Doesn't matter considering int he context of this discussion camera control was used by c stick buttons or analog which achieved the same effect. Lets not be too anal for the sake of discussion when devs weren't as much.