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(01-06-2016, 07:26 PM)
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Analyst Predicts PSVR Price to be More Than PS4, Sell 1.9M in 2016

SuperData Virtual Reality Market Brief (free download)

In the console VR space, the report suggests that 1.9 million units will be sold, taking up 5 percent of the overall market. The only device listed in this area so far is PlayStation VR, which it estimates will cost at least $50 USD more than the $350 PlayStation 4, ranging between $400 $600.

Estimated sales for all platforms:
Cardboard/Low-End Mobile - 27 million
PC VR (Oculus/Vive) - 6.6 million
High-End Mobile (GearVR) - 2.5 million
Playstation VR - 1.9 million

Seems like they are really optimistic about everything except PSVR and GearVR.
Savantcore
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(01-06-2016, 07:26 PM)
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300 PSVR and we've got a deal
KorrZ
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(01-06-2016, 07:27 PM)
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For $400-600 , yeah I imagine that's a good number for PSVR.

It's an unproven technology for the vast majority of people.
PartTimeWarrior
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(01-06-2016, 07:27 PM)
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Didn't Sony say the PSVR will be cheaper than the PS4?
Stanng243
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(01-06-2016, 07:27 PM)
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With that Oculus price, I can't see it and Vive doing that much, since most people think Vive will be more.
Kaako
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(01-06-2016, 07:28 PM)
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Don't you fucking dare go north of that $400 price point, Sony. Shit will turn ugly for you, guaranteed!
crazygambit
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(01-06-2016, 07:28 PM)
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I can 100% guarantee that PSVR will be between $1 and $1000. You can take that to the bank.

It will also sell over 1 unit.
anexanhume
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(01-06-2016, 07:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by PartTimeWarrior

Didn't Sony say the PSVR will be cheaper than the PS4?

They said it'd be priced like a new gaming device, IIRC. To me that says $400ish.
VRMN
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(01-06-2016, 07:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by PartTimeWarrior

Didn't Sony say the PSVR will be cheaper than the PS4?

The only thing I've heard is that it will be around the cost of a new platform. $400-$600 fits given that, though I would expect closer to $400 than $600.
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(01-06-2016, 07:29 PM)
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Everyone gets mad at me when I say it'll be $399 and cost more than a PS4 but I'm not saying it to be a dick or smart ass.

I genuinely feel in order for them to cram VR tech into a headset and processing unit and say "it'll cost as much as a new gaming platform" while breaking even or making a profit it'll at least be as expensive as the PS4 launch price.
Guymelef
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(01-06-2016, 07:29 PM)
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How in the hell are they expecting a 50% attach rate of capable PC for PC VR?
- J - D -
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(01-06-2016, 07:29 PM)
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$549.
JoeTheBlow
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(01-06-2016, 07:30 PM)
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Numbers from his ass.

I remember pessimistic numbers for that crazy new apple phone.
No one can predict shit in tech.
Phil4000
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(01-06-2016, 07:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kaako

Don't you fucking dare go north of that $400 price point, Sony. Shit will turn ugly for you, guaranteed!

I'd rather they release a $500 headset that provides an incredible experience than a poor $300-400 headset that has glaring shortcomings/
If the price is too high for most at first, you just need to be patient.
Plinko
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(01-06-2016, 07:30 PM)
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Anything over $400 and this thing is DOA.
NateDrake
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(01-06-2016, 07:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by crazygambit

I can 100% guarantee that PSVR will be between $1 and $1000. You can take that to the bank.

It will also sell over 1 unit.

Your figures seem too optimistic for me to believe.

My interest in VR is minimal at this point, and I won't invest in the technology - especially from Sony who abandons ideas quickly (EyeToy, Move, etc...) - until I see great software. I like the idea of VR but the price will hold me back for the next few years as I'll wait for the technology to mature and better software release.
Drain You
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(01-06-2016, 07:31 PM)
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400$ would be more than a fair price. Occulus plus a PC will cost far above. Show me some good games and I'll bite.
CitizenCope
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(01-06-2016, 07:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by crazygambit

I can 100% guarantee that PSVR will be between $1 and $1000. You can take that to the bank.

It will also sell over 1 unit.

My sources say between $2 and $1,000.
Namikaze
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(01-06-2016, 07:31 PM)
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I guess I'll be waiting a few years then.
Breakbeat
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(01-06-2016, 07:32 PM)
I think $300 is the sweet spot. $400 is doable but will significantly impact its reach. Anything over is suicide.
Planet
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(01-06-2016, 07:32 PM)
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Need to bookmark this with an end year reminder for a good hearty laugh.
Grief.exe
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(01-06-2016, 07:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by Guymelef

How in the hell are they expecting a 50% attach rate of capable PC for PC VR?

How did you arrive at this number?
Father_Brain
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(01-06-2016, 07:33 PM)
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That seems optimistic even for PSVR. Still don't think the masses really want to spend hours at a time cut off from all external visual stimuli, no matter how great the initial wow factor.
Z3M0G
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(01-06-2016, 07:34 PM)
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Did they ever predict Oculus price?
Mifune
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(01-06-2016, 07:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by Plinko

Anything over $400 and this thing is DOA.

Nonsense.

VR is a loooooong game. Sony is not looking for it to be a sales juggernaut out of the gate. It's like a whole new division for SCE. These things take time.
JimJamJones
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(01-06-2016, 07:34 PM)
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*Googles cardboard VR*



Wait, someone tell me this is a joke, right?
CMojicaAce
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(01-06-2016, 07:34 PM)
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$299 is the sweet spot, but I think it'll launch at $399.
Kaako
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(01-06-2016, 07:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by Phil4000

I'd rather they release a $500 headset that provides an incredible experience than a poor $300-400 headset that has glaring shortcomings/
If the price is too high for most at first, you just need to be patient.

And I'd rather they release that same quality headset that provides an incredible experience at $400 or lower. It's simple really; pricing it aggressively doesn't mean a "poor" headset with glaring shortcomings.
hesido
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(01-06-2016, 07:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by Phil4000

I'd rather they release a $500 headset that provides an incredible experience than a poor $300-400 headset that has glaring shortcomings/
If the price is too high for most at first, you just need to be patient.

The hardware is pretty much set, so the cheaper it is, the better for us :)
VRMN
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(01-06-2016, 07:36 PM)
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The only thing that makes me nervous is that Oculus has said they're selling the Rift at cost.

Is Sony in a position to sell below cost? Even assuming they're in a better supply chain position, which is a reach given Oculus has at least made these things before and has Facebook money behind it, would that make Sony's costs that much cheaper?
Dawnbuster
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(01-06-2016, 07:36 PM)
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I don't understand how could cost less than a PS4.

Sure, its screen isn't as high a resolution as the Rift and Vive but it still needs a separate processing unit to help drive the 1920x1080 pixels at a non-nauseating refresh. That has to drive up the price.

On the plus side it looks like Sony doesn't have to include a remote or controller or mic/camera unit, which will help out.

I would guess $450-$500. Probably $500 now that we know what the Rift will cost.
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(01-06-2016, 07:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by JimJamJones

*Googles cardboard VR*



Wait, someone tell me this is a joke, right?

Not at all. It's not intended as a 'serious' VR platform, but it's a pretty cool application of the basic principles of most modern VR HMDs (use lenses for wide field of vision, control for distortion via shaders in software). I've played with one of the ones that my coworkers brought back from Google I/O and found it pretty cool, though nowhere near as immersive as the various versions of the Rift I've played with.
mangochutney
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(01-06-2016, 07:38 PM)

Originally Posted by Savantcore

300 PSVR and we've got a deal

I'm betting on $399 and 299.
SJRB
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(01-06-2016, 07:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by border


Estimated sales for all platforms:
Cardboard/Low-End Mobile - 27 million
PC VR (Oculus/Vive) - 6.6 million
High-End Mobile (GearVR) - 2.5 million
Playstation VR - 1.9 million

Guy must be pretty pissed at the 600 dollar / 700 euro price point of the Oculus now.

6.6 million, are you crazy?
Lasty95
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(01-06-2016, 07:38 PM)
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They've clearly been waiting for Occulus to play their hand and I'm sure they'll be pretty happy at Sony towers tonight.

379 and an announcement fairly soon I reckon.
DagnastyEp
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(01-06-2016, 07:38 PM)
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I'm expected this to come in 2 SKUs when it's released:

Based unit - Just the VR headset and breakout box (For people who already own a camera and or move controllers)

Bundle - Headset (plus breakout box), PS 4 camera, 2 Move controllers.

I think the difference in cost between the two will be $100. But, after the Rift pricing this morning, I honestly have no idea of where the pricing will fall.
Mihael Mello Keehl
(01-06-2016, 07:39 PM)
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Are these VR really worth 300-600$? Like forreal? They are very expensive accesories
JimJamJones
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(01-06-2016, 07:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by Hyoukokun

Not at all. It's not intended as a 'serious' VR platform, but it's a pretty cool application of the basic principles of most modern VR HMDs (use lenses for wide field of vision, control for distortion via shaders in software). I've played with one of the ones that my coworkers brought back from Google I/O and found it pretty cool, though nowhere near as immersive as the various versions of the Rift I've played with.

Oh, okay. That makes more sense then.
FF Seraphim
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(01-06-2016, 07:39 PM)
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If Sony sends the PSVR out with a $399 price tag, it is dead on arrival for most people. Yes the hardcore will pick it up (and I will be one of them) but that price isn't something the average person will spend on an accessory to a console. I can see it doing well at $299... but seeing how the PS4 is almost $299 people may still hesitate at that price.

It will be interesting to see how Sony prices the PSVR and they did say it will be cheaper than the console. So I am going to take a fair guess at $199-$299. They will lost money but Sony isn't always about making money, but getting the product to the most people.
Pewpewlazors99
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(01-06-2016, 07:39 PM)
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36million VR units sold in 2016 seems REALLY REALLY REALLY optimistic.

Edit: Unless this include Google cardboard.
cw_sasuke
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(01-06-2016, 07:39 PM)
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40 million VR devices sold in 2016 ? lol no....
Neonep
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(01-06-2016, 07:40 PM)
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Anybody that thinks PSVR will be under $400 is foolish.
gundamkyoukai
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(01-06-2016, 07:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by Pewpewlazors99

36million VR units sold in 2016 seems REALLY REALLY REALLY optimistic.

More like dream land lol.
Pai Pai Master
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(01-06-2016, 07:40 PM)
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I'm not spending more than $399 MSRP but I hope for Sony's sake that's the highest they're considering to go.

Those sales prospects are awfully out of whack with reality. Sales are going to be low for these things for the next couple of years.
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(01-06-2016, 07:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by JimJamJones

Oh, okay. That makes more sense then.

Cardboard is pretty awesome though. My wife got one through the NY Times and the VR news reports are very cool. And it was free!
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(01-06-2016, 07:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dawnbuster

I don't understand how could cost less than a PS4.

Sure, its screen isn't as high a resolution as the Rift and Vive but it still needs a separate processing unit to help drive the 1920x1080 pixels at a non-nauseating refresh. That has to drive up the price.

On the plus side it looks like Sony doesn't have to include a remote or controller or mic/camera unit, which will help out.

I would guess $450-$500. Probably $500 now that we know what the Rift will cost.

There's no reason for Sony to sell this at a loss. No matter how much they'd like to increase its adoption.

No use pricing this for masses right out the gate. Especially for new and unproven as technology like vr.

Right now the technology is aimed at enthusiasts and early adopters.
Last edited by neptunes; 01-06-2016 at 07:44 PM.
DieH@rd
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(01-06-2016, 07:40 PM)
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Random analyst ~"tales from my ass" projections, lets wait out for official info.

I have zero confidence into report that PSVR will sell much less than Oculus&Vive in 2016.
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(01-06-2016, 07:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by Pewpewlazors99

36million VR units sold in 2016 seems REALLY REALLY REALLY optimistic.

well, when he is including cardboard, which ranges from Free to $30, its an easy way to inflate numbers
NoFaceNico
(01-06-2016, 07:41 PM)
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$400 seems realistic but I hope they go lower than that. C'mon, Sony, you're the hardware leader right now.

If they priced it at $300 for the headset and made a PS4 bundle at $600 it would be a great way to market the thing. They can say that for the price of an Oculus headset alone, you can have a full VR setup without the expensive PC.
Phil4000
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(01-06-2016, 07:41 PM)
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Anyone thinking the PSVR will come in anywhere within the $250-$350 range will be severely disappointed. This a base $400 device, mark my words, and quote this in the future.

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