Wax Free Vanilla
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GTS will be an arcade game compared to this Italian thoroughbred. My Gimx G27 is ready.
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Assetto Corsa PS4 Alpha gameplay, preview
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GTS will be an arcade game compared to this Italian thoroughbred. My Gimx G27 is ready.
Maintenance
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If they keep the great performance like the current PC version I might double dip, Project Cars can't stay at 60fps to save its life, wasted my money there. GT Sport (full, not beta) probably won't arrive until 2017, and I need my 60fps racer fix.
Neuromancer
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Video is nice but I'm not sure I'm ready for this sim-heavy of a game yet. I never did really get into Project CARS as much as I had hoped.
Not that I'm aware of. You may be thinking of Project Cars, although with Project Cars 2 in the works, I'll be pleasantly surprised that they're still working on that.
nowifenolife
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I have a feeling it won't be a fixed 60 on xb1 as the guy says in the video "900p and more or less the same frame rate as ps4" I don't know it's just the way he said it. Hopefully ps4 will be at a fixed 60
mokalovesoulmate
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Now I need decision to choose between G29 or T500RS then I can ditch my old G27...
They also comment on the FFB implementation being bad in the alpha. This doesn't bode well because the default FFB settings in AC on PC are far from optimal and you always needed third party programs and specific setups to make it work "right".gamereactor.eu said:
To me AC never felt like it came out of early access on PC. It always had that demo feel to it. I hope Kunos add some substance to the console release.
I know, but I really don't have that much confidence in GT or Forza anymore, at least from a purely hardcore motorsport perspective. But we shall see.
Malcolm9
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10 x more powerful, is it?
Anyway I've been looking forward to this, looks great. Plenty of great racers this gen already.
Still using my old G27
works great with AC!Dirt rally will be 60fps too.
For me, GT and Forza are more about collecting and customising cars than the actual racing..which is still good but if I want a true motorsport experience I go to games like AC, GTR2, stock car extreme and the like.
chromatic9
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Yes. CA is default on PC but they allow you to disable in one of the settings files. Hopefully they add the option to the main menu for console players.
Regarding joypads, in the most recent PC build I noticed the controls were much improved.
Canis lupus
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PSVR support please.
You can make AC as easy as you want by tuning the options, it's like Gran Turismo or Forza but goes a bit further with the hands-off stuff.
You can make AC as easy as you want by tuning the options, it's like Gran Turismo or Forza but goes a bit further with the hands-off stuff.
T500RS by a mile IMO. Pedals are worse, rest is top.
BlindJesus
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I would still guess that the dynamic day/night and weather cycles to be the main culprit. Prebaked shadows and weather effects can really ease the strain on the hardware.
Edit: though AC doesn't have those effects.. Maybe a bit of both
AC does kind have dynamic lighting and it does run on a proper deferred renderer (or at least use deferred shading), but it doesn't have a full day/night cycle. It's not completely pre-baked conditions/env lightmaps like Forza 6. Weather is bit of different beast, compared to bigger differences in forward (and/or static lighting) to deferred (and/or full dynamic lighting). It's definitely a noticeable cost, but the differences in the very base of rendering is enough to have a noticeable effect on performance/fidelity.
I think it looks (and importantly sounds) really good, though coming from the PC version I do also wish that they expand the content towards more racing too, as right now the game shines most on just driving, rather than on any long-term goals. I don't want locked content though, but just more work on SP/MP modes.
artsi
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I think that AC could benefit from some kind of progression / level system like in DOTA2, CS:GO, iRacing, etc. to make MP more exciting.
And with higher levels you wouldn't have beginners who ram you in the first corner.
I feel the simulation is top notch but it just needs more game and competition in it.
And with higher levels you wouldn't have beginners who ram you in the first corner.
I feel the simulation is top notch but it just needs more game and competition in it.
BlindJesus
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I wasn't clear, should have specified AC doesn't have day/night cycles or weather. But yea, dynamic shadows is pretty taxing.
If you're a wheel user it has the best force feedback in the business. In that category Forza isn't even comparable. PCars can be tweaked to be decent but it's still a tier below AC. Games like rFactor 2 come really close but they're PC exclusives.
If you're a controller user yeah, AC isn't an obvious must-buy though. The AI isn't good and unless the console release is adding extra career content that isn't available in PC right now it's a pretty barebones single player game too. Racing sims are still niche titles.
AstroNut325
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I'm highly interested in this. Any chance the DGFT will work on the PS4 by the time this game is released?
Chobel
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Must be lazy devs.
Dont forget though the T500RS isnt supported by the PS4 carte blanche - its up to the game dev to ensure that support unlike the lesser T300 or G29
ps3ud0 8)
TJP
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Good to see Team VVV coverage.
As you've also played the PC version, any immediate thoughts on the console versions?
As a PC sim racer, I'm happy to see AC on console as any improvements on console will flow across to the PC. Tis a shame the consoles aren't getting mods but it was expected.
TylerDurden4321
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Forza Motorsport has pre-baked lighting, that's why the time of day and weather conditions don't change during a race. Forza Horizon and Driveclub are 30fps.
What worries me is that Marco Massarutto said in the VVV interview that the framerate on XB1 will be "more or less" the same as on PS4. If the framerate goes south like it does in PCARS on XB1, then... -.-
Usually I try to have my racing stuff on XB1 where my wheel is setup. If I buy the PS4 version, I have to get my PS4 to another room mount my other wheelbase... I wouldn't mind the 900p, but "more or less" 60fps doesn't sound good. If they can't keep 60fps they should give us options like "deactivate godrays" and so on.
BlindJesus
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Even ignoring the performance advantages, PS4 will probably be the way to go. Hardcore sim racers are a pretty niche genre. Seeing as PS4 has a larger install base, the online should be generally more populated.
TylerDurden4321
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But I love Forza and almost play nothing else on Xbox One... my PS4 gets the couch-gaming third party stuff in another room.
I'm with you in theory, but imagine having a 15 minute build-up/put-back every time you feel like doing a few laps in Assetto Corsa. If it were a game that seemed like "play it for one week and be done with it", it would be an easy choice, but I hope it's not that.
Who knows, maybe the framerate will only occasionally drop to 55 or so and only at dawn with over 24 cars in the race. *fingers crossed*
My thoughts:
I hope anyone who bought PCars on console is not put off by the genre for extremely poor out of box experience regrading UI and game pad controls. Although i expect pad controls to be not much better.
I watched blackpanthaa's video on youtube of him using a controller, and he put >180* of the steering wheel lock through a corner which i know only uses about 90-100*, causing insane understeer. This is very hard to mitigate on gamepad, the only real way is some steering assist like Forza and GT have, that dynamically adjusts speed sensitvity to get the steering to lock at peak grip. AC wont have this for sure, just like PCars, meaning itll be terribly difficult even with decent settings.
On PC i have my 360 pad setup so i can test things, but its still not massively fun, and totally uncompetitive. You can be competitive in certain cars that suit the controller settings, but it wont work universally across cars.
And lastly, trying to play with a pad against AI, with the current videos, the AI look very fast for casual pad drivers (could change) on easy, but ok for casual wheel drivers.
I hope anyone who bought PCars on console is not put off by the genre for extremely poor out of box experience regrading UI and game pad controls. Although i expect pad controls to be not much better.
I watched blackpanthaa's video on youtube of him using a controller, and he put >180* of the steering wheel lock through a corner which i know only uses about 90-100*, causing insane understeer. This is very hard to mitigate on gamepad, the only real way is some steering assist like Forza and GT have, that dynamically adjusts speed sensitvity to get the steering to lock at peak grip. AC wont have this for sure, just like PCars, meaning itll be terribly difficult even with decent settings.
On PC i have my 360 pad setup so i can test things, but its still not massively fun, and totally uncompetitive. You can be competitive in certain cars that suit the controller settings, but it wont work universally across cars.
And lastly, trying to play with a pad against AI, with the current videos, the AI look very fast for casual pad drivers (could change) on easy, but ok for casual wheel drivers.
Bought my first wheel and pedal set for use with Driveclub and so far Ive loved it. Been ready to try a true sim so Ill be snagging Assetto Corsa on release. Was gonna grab project Cars, but this thread and the impression that Im getting is that most people who are into wheels and pedals arent crazy about the game. I picked up F1 2015 simply because Im an F1 junkie, but havent gotten around to booting it up yet.
Same here. I bought PCars during the holiday sale on PSN and totally regret it. It's now deleted from the drive and sitting forever in my PSN library.
Patrick S.
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I have pCARS and Assetto Corsa, but have spent almost twice as much time with AC, despite pCARS having much better production values. I haven't encountered any bugs in pCARS, but for me, Assetto Corsa is the better game. I play with a 360 controller, and AC just controls much much better than pCARS. Plus I love all the mods (which isn't a selling point for people who will play this on console, I know).
And after the last patch, finally my biggest gripe with AC has mostly been resolved, which was the stupid AI. The AI in Assetto was just frustrating before, the game had me restarting many races ten times in a row because the AI would just knock me off the track, every damn time, at the same places. This has been improved massively, the AI is much more aware of you, and most of the time actively tries to prevent touching you.
If they just injected a liiiiitle more life into the game experience, say with more (animated) trackside objects, moving crowd with audible cheers, and track speakers like pCARS has... stuff like that, this game would go from a 9.5 to a 10 for me.
And after the last patch, finally my biggest gripe with AC has mostly been resolved, which was the stupid AI. The AI in Assetto was just frustrating before, the game had me restarting many races ten times in a row because the AI would just knock me off the track, every damn time, at the same places. This has been improved massively, the AI is much more aware of you, and most of the time actively tries to prevent touching you.
If they just injected a liiiiitle more life into the game experience, say with more (animated) trackside objects, moving crowd with audible cheers, and track speakers like pCARS has... stuff like that, this game would go from a 9.5 to a 10 for me.
artsi
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Right on. It's a great simulator but I feel they need to breath more life into it. IMO it's sterile as operating room right now, from the UI (which will get an overhaul) to the environment.
GinoFelino
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I think 1080p60 is really impressive for a game with those graphics. Looking forward to playing this.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Watching team VVV video visuals don't look good.
Yay for the shitposting
Anyway, i had my fair share of fun with the PC version, you people are in for a treat
It's 60fps..Don't expect Driveclub level graphics.
It looks awesome maxed out on PC, I'm sure it will look great on consoles.
AgentOtaku
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wait.... Kunos is like 10 fucking people?!
thats insane!
thats insane!
COME ON SUN.
You expect people to think 1 game for each platform is enough!? Even if you barely count Need for Speed rivals, its not even close to being acceptable bro.
Also...Kunos being 10 people....they are destroying the concept of low budgeting gaming right now. That's the amount of people you needed for an NES or SNES game
eyeball_kid
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I hope the Assetto Corsa folks bring over the heritage 1960's Formula One racers from the PC version. Since I have a Mac I've never been able to play AC, and I really really miss Grand Prix Legends from the old days.
I'm sure that Kunos have said the PC and console versions will have exactly the same content. Not sure if the existing DLC will still be DLC or included for the consoles though.
BlindJesus
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I know a lot of people are down on PCars, for some legitimate reasons, but it offers a huge selection of older F1 (lotus) cars like the 98t,78,72,51,49c, 38(Indy), 25 and a couple more.
GHG
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There are also other arcade racing games coming to the PS4/Xbox one. Funny thing is, I don't see the same people who beg for arcade racing games in already announced sim racing game threads posting in those threads.
So which is it, are you guys actually interested in those types of games or do you just like shitting up unrelated threads by having a good moan?
Methamatics101
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With PD's last two snorefests in mind, I wouldn't hold my breath.
catashtrophe
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Dirt Rally? Never heard of it, any info on this
I'm highly interested in this. Any chance the DGFT will work on the PS4 by the time this game is released?
The DFGT is already working on PS4 (not officially of course).
I've used it in DriveClub and planning to use it in GT Sport as well and maybe Assetto Corsa too, if I get that.
Exactly, it's at OP: Content parity confirmed, with both base content and future updates and patches. Only thing out are PC mods on consoles.
More like 30, also linked at the OP: creating a new car takes 6 people working for 12-14 weeks on modelling, physics, excitement and stuff.
Fox Mulder
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I can applaud project cars for its ambition with tons of tracks, dynamic lighting, and hugs grids. It just controlled like shit and had lots of little issues that added up to a lot.
I hope this is better, but I'll need to see lots of impressions before jumping in.
I hope this is better, but I'll need to see lots of impressions before jumping in.