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Germany sales update: PS4 2.8 million, Wii U 690k, XB1 600k
- Thread starter Ryng_tolu
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Wikipedia is not a reliable source, you're basing your argument on faulty data.
We have PAL charts threads that stretch back all the way to the start of the gen, you can use that instead and see how the PS3 and Wii completely obliterated the 360 in every chart not named the UK.
Hell, the PS3 is STILL doing better than XB1 as of today in most of Europe.
slavesnyder
Member
Current global situation:
There might be a tie in antarctica. That's whole continent to fight for.
Yeah, PS plus and Xbox Live Gold kills Xbox as second console. Sony following with online made the choice easier to settle on one or another.
Microsoft has one trump card though, make online free. If Xbox is going to keep merging with PC, it's possible and something that would put Sony on their heels and would be very enticing to consumers.
slavesnyder
Member
They would never get the okay from their mothership.
MS has deep pockets, Xbox hasn't.
ethomaz
Banned
I won't be surprised if Sony launched PS4 there... after all it is 123 vs 42 countries.
DarkCronos
Member
In reality they switched sides last generation. Especially early on, a lot of people who would have bought a PS3 bought a 360 because 1)it was cheaper 2)best performance on multiplatform titles 3)PS3 had no interesting exclusives in its firs couple of years 4) PS3 was 1 year late to the market.
It was really common in europe to buy a 360 and plan to get a PS3 later, when the price dropped, to catch up with the sony exclusives
this is because sony fucked up the PS3 launch and it took 2 - 2.5 years for the platform to become a viable option. Everyone wanted a "PlayStation", but for half of the generation the 360 was simply the better option.
Nothing has changed this gen. People still want a "PlayStation". It's just that now sony has avoided making the same mistakes, and xbox one is not strong enough to be the better option
thelastword
Banned
Noted, I don't live there
but it was more or less me thinking that interest in the Wii-U has not been that great from launch and has been dwindling.....so XB1 doing worse was a bit of a surprise.I'm thinking it would be, going by these figures, I was surprised at Wii-U doing better based on XB1's performance in the US market, but that's certainly not the case. I guess it makes sense to prefer a PS4/Wii-U combo over there, since the PS4 is more powerful and has more exclusives, also, the Wii-U's library does not overlap the PS4's much at all, as it has it's own slew of very diverse titles.......
Bruno MB
Member
Code:
DEC 2012 - 85,000 LTD
SEP 2013 - 160,000 LTD
AUG 2014 - 350,000 LTD
AUG 2015 - 500,000 LTD
DEC 2015 - 690,000 LTDDidn't remember the LTD at August, what's the source?
That's patently false based on the sales data we have.
It's bigger than in other countries, but it's still pretty small. And many of those retail releases use Steam anyway. Like the infamous MSGV disc: http://www.kotaku.co.uk/2015/09/01/metal-gear-solid-vs-pc-disc-doesnt-actually-have-the-game-on-it
Now thats just cold.
Missed the 500k by August 2015, thanks.
This mean Wii U sold 190k Sep to Dec 2015. XB1 YTD is ~270k with ~110k in November and December, humm... Looks like Wii U probabily sold more or equal in 2015.
Bubhabhahahahahahaha. Maybe i should.
slavesnyder
Member
A huge part of german retail PC games are cheap and older titles from green pepper, kids games like "Wimmelbildspiele", softwarepyramide (cheap rerealses from another publisher) and so on. There are also often collections like Adventures games Vol. X and so on. While some of those games might be on steam - there is usually the steam free version included. And then all those simulators. I rebought a couple of games on steam, just to have them in my libary.
We know this because the average price for pc titles is so low (was around 22€
in the last years - while console games sell for around 50€ on average. (I didn't look it up - but those have been the trends).Those games are mostly not featured on steam. Some german publishers also decide to release a steam free version (I do remember this for blackguards and afair other daedelic titles). And then there is also Origin, GoG and Uplay.
So don't mistake pc market with "Masterace games that run on a 980ti".
Three things:
1) I agree that the Xbox brand isn't in great shape for the future. Specifically, the Xbox brand is in a very weak position, globally. It's going to take time for people to realize this, but the failure of the Xbox One has made next-gen a really bad headache for Microsoft. If the PS4 finishes at 90m and the Xbox One crawls to 35m, then the Xbox Two will have to be a radical Wii-like device to have a shot. This is assuming Microsoft will make another console, and this is assuming Sony won't return to the PS3-era design mistakes.
2) If VR catches on ((i.e. regular folks start to talk about it in casual conversation(s)) then next-gen will definitely focus on VR tech. If VR fails to catch on, then next-gen won't focus on VR. This is why it's critical for a VR market to be established this gen.
3) Of course, having a VR solution right now is important in establishing both mind share and market share. With that said, Microsoft having no VR solution =/= Microsoft not in the VR game. Their first step towards having a VR solution is through the partnership with Oculus. Their next step (and this step is taken if VR takes off) towards having a VR solution will be to purchase a VR company. They'll take the same approach they and many other companies have taken in the past:: buy someone out. I'm getting ahead of myself here, but I think Starbreeze would be a candidate.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
WiiU doesn't outsell XB1, WiiU had a one year lead and XB1 is slowly approaching the point where they'll overtake in overall sales compared to WiiU.
slavesnyder
Member
How much dud PS2 sell in the end? Maybe it's somewhere in here, but I am just too lazy.
I'd say it all depends on how they bring the price down. PS2 got really cheap. If they can go down to 149 or so it would be possible.
Current global situation:
I don't see the green on New Zealand.
SpartanForce
Member
well they didn't won the war but at least got the PS4 übermensch
PS4 outsold Xbone in first half of the 2015. in UK. PS4 passed 2 mil. mark in May last year in UK. Ratio was 1.4 : 1 in PS4 favor. In second half PS4 versions multiplatform games charted better and there was no indication that PS4 sales slowed down in 2nd half. And PS4 sold better during holidays in UK. Gap has widened, not narrowed. PS4 can't be below 2.8 mil. cuz that means that Xbone outsold PS4 in 2nd half and during holidays. Which isn't. MCV announced 5.5 mil. current gen console sold. So, PS4 can be around 3 mil. or above, and Xbone around 2.3 mil.
serversurfer
Member
Source for UK?
There's no issue with <2.5
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Considering last gen in Germany is less than 7.5 million consoles for PS3 and 360 combined I find that quite unlikely. PS4 will have to settle for 6.5 million lifetime. Last gen was rougly 5 million PS3 to 2.5 million 360.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Gamescom is awfully organized though
gamescom is war
slavesnyder
Member
It's Cologne, that doesn't count.
AkimbO_Arcana
Banned
Maybe during the press days. On public days it's anarchy/Oktoberfest on acid.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
PS2 lifetime sales in Germany are slightly above 6 million units. It reached those 6 million in 2010, so long after PS3 was launched.
Angelus Errare
Banned
ethomaz
Banned
MCV/GFK
5.5m end of 2015
> 2m for PS4 May 2015 with ~500k gap
2.5m is the max for Xbone to hold the same gap.
3.0m is the min for PS4 to hold the same gap.
The gap probably widen to be fair because PS4 sold more in holidays (GFK confirmed the BF week) and most of the year with exception of Halo launch weeks.
DriftingSpirit
Member
PS4 is almost half that just a bit after 2 years. Nice.
Good post.
I am interested in your third point. Is there a company that has the VR capabilities that can compete with PSVR and Oculus? I'm not so sure. Microsoft cannot purchase Oculus because Facebook already claimed that prize of course. Valve also are on lock down.
I really can't see Microsoft competing here. They are always late and always rely on acquisitions to jump start their capabilities. Unfortunately, this time, I cannot see the availability of such requirements as they have either already been acquired or are its primary competitors.
It is of my opinion that Microsoft are forced to not compete, or hope that VR does not kick off. However, as you rightly suggest, the mindshare already belongs to Sony. I am reminded of their mobile phone attempts. To late to the party, too late in acquiring Nokia.
Would Nadella make the mistake that Ballmer did? I believe he won't even attempt it. Xbox One was supposed to synergise the entire Microsoft ecosystem into everyone's living room. It failed, despite tweets from Greenberg and Nelson suggesting otherwise and only implies they've not learned from any mistakes, thus ultimately the Xbox brand is lost.
Any other company by now would have thrown the towel. It is only due to the liquidity of Microsoft that it is able to fund this incredibly expensive, loss-making venture.
It passed the Wii last year, so it should be >4.6m.
slavesnyder
Member
Thank you, darkinstinct.
This doesn't sound like 500k, I would say it's at least 530k, maybe even more.
He said "Installed base is well over 500k". So the WiiU surely didn't sell 190k from august to end of december.
You're not accounting for growth in the market, from both PC converts and new consumers.
ninjablade
Banned
yea its looking like a one console future.
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
The good news is that it's a cinch to win the hearts and minds of a whole continent. Just ship 250 free Xbox One consoles to Antarctica and the job is done.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I've literally stood in a hall waiting for entry while paramedics went around treating dehydration.
People would just raise their hand whenever someone collapsed.
JuanLatino
Member
do we have an confirmation for those US numbers or is it more a estimated Number based on the NPD Charts?