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Lights and Waves · Jan 27, 2016

This is coming from Italy: http://i.imgur.com/Zy8Gvh0.png

Dear editorial staff of [censored]

According to your request, number [censored]

We confirm that the 'Amiibo' articles related to 'Roy' (To be released in 16/3/2016) and 'Corinzius' (to be established) [I think this translation is interesting, because it references one of our Architectural Orders, which mix asian and roman style, a reflection of what may represent the kingdoms] will not be compatible with the 3DS product [this seems to be a reply].

Regarding the presence of censored material in Fire Emblem: Fates, the european division, under the supervision of the president Satoru Shibata decided to apply [i'm 100% sure it's apply, even if the letter is cropped] more stricted restrictions compared to the american release.

Many of the dialogues are being rearranged to avoid a bad impact and protect the younger audience.

INTELLIGENT SYSTEMS, after the request of the president, agreed, besides the change of the code regarding the pair-bond system of ''MIO CASTELLO'' [My Castle] (as happened to american market), also to change the ''SISTEMA DI SUPPORTO'' [Support System].
For the Multi 5 editions of the game (UK English, French, German, Spanish and Italian) in fact the max bond with some characters involved in a homosexal affair, if a same gender [protagonist] has been choosen in one of the three routes, will be rank 'A', instead of being 'S'.

We are sure our audience will understand the reasons behind this hard choice.*
For more info about the announcements of the next weeks, or for other informations regarding the decision of the president, that we remember, motivated by [him?] [after?] a strong sense of cultural identity and different religious beliefs, we leave you this direct referral.

Source.

Seeing changes like these being made just really hurt. I'm hoping that it's only the Italian version of the game that had this change made, and that no other European versions of the game have been censored.

Edit: I've updated the title of this thread to reflect the fact that most posters are interpreting Nintendo's response to include all European versions of the game, not just Italy.

EDIT: NOE has confirmed this was a hoax. Please leave this thread ASAP before you get exposed to some of your fellow GAFers ignorance in the posts below.

killroy87 · Jan 27, 2016

It's getting to the point where all the different versions of this game will become collector's items.

BY2K · Jan 27, 2016

Just in Italy?

Nyoro SF · Jan 27, 2016

It's just localization, what are you making a fuss for? Nintendo knows what's good for your region and you should just accept that.

/s

LordGorchnik · Jan 27, 2016

This why I hate any form of editing or censorship. Whether its head patting, blood n gore, sex, relationships, language. It's all terrible. This is just bad news all around.

Which is funny given how dark so many other themes in past Fire Emblems seemed to squeak on by with no issues.

YianGaruga · Jan 27, 2016

Nyoro SF said:
It's just localization, what are you making a fuss for? Nintendo knows what's good for your region and you should just accept that.

/s

.

Finale Fireworker · Jan 27, 2016

Now THIS is a problem.

Nyoro SF said:
It's just localization, what are you making a fuss for? Nintendo knows what's good for your region and you should just accept that.

/s

Fan service and civil rights are not the same thing. Blushing anime girls (and guys) whose faces you can rub have not been historically oppressed and denied representation. They have not been told they don't exist, persecuted for how they were born, and denied the same space to find partners as everyone else.

Including same sex relationships is passive activism and valuable because it acknowledges a humanitarian conversation being had all over the world. Including same sex relationships sends a message of normalcy and encourages acknowledgment of different sexual orientations.

Including alienating fan service is, simply, not any of these things.

Not all content is created equal. A creator or company deciding to remove certain content has more weight when it reinforces a historically problematic dialog about the validity of human sexuality.

NinjaCoachZ · Jan 27, 2016

BY2K said:
Just in Italy?

If I'm interpreting right then it seems all European releases are getting this cut.

What the hell, NoE? THIS is the kind of thing that's actually censorship.

kuroneko0509 · Jan 27, 2016

that post from reddit op tho

I actually phoned Nintendo Italy today and I've been told 'can't publicly talk about this at the moment'.
*Please take note that we are this month in a currently controversial situation about homosexual weddings, which is not legal now, due to Vatican pressure, as you can read in New York Times (I'll post the article in the comment). *

i guess they're afraid of vatican?

cyborgnumberblue · Jan 27, 2016

Nintendo feeling that Vatican heat.

Firemind · Jan 27, 2016

I'm loving this backfire.

Dark Ninja · Jan 27, 2016

Here we go

Give me back my petting and ill give you back the same sex marriage.

Drop · Jan 27, 2016

Copying my posts on the matter from the other thread:

Drop said:
I was going through the thread on this same matter on Serenes Forest and someone posted a link to an alarming reddit's thread.

The thread talks about how an Italian FE fans site had the news on the latest two announcements before they happened, apparently a relevant Italian gaming news site had leaked informations about the games and also leaked a very alarming e-mail from Nintendo of Italy regarding European localization.

Before proceeding I'll remind everyone to take this with a grain of salt.
The e-mail says the European version of the game will not only be more heavily modified than the American version but also that same-sex marriage will be removed.

I read the e-mail and skimmed through the translation and can confirm that at least the bolded parts of the translation match the content of the e-mail, I'll check it all soon.

Here's the link to the reddit's thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/42xhlw/corrins_italian_name_different_censorship_for/

Drop said:
After going through the full translation and e-mail back to back I can confirm the translation is almost perfectly accurate.
There are only 2 words I don't think have been translated properly and they tend to make things sound less authoritative than the e-mail, it's no that important but I'll still give my take on it just for the sake of complete clarity:

- "the european division, under the supervision of the president Satoru Shibata", "Supervision" is actually "Jurisdiction";

-"INTELLIGENT SYSTEMS, after the request of the president", "request" is actually "order".

None really matters to the real problem but I like things to be completely clear.

Source: I'm Italian.

balladofwindfishes · Jan 27, 2016

Nintendo isn't going to use "think of the children!" as a legitimate excuse to do something this controversial. Especially for a game that isn't aimed at children at all.

I have serious doubts about this.

Eolz · Jan 27, 2016

Nyoro SF said:
It's just localization, what are you making a fuss for? Nintendo knows what's good for your region and you should just accept that.

/s

Ahah that's what I was gonna say.
Still not censorship?

Hope that isn't true, but I think it's gonna stay a rumor after the recent PR answers.

Shizuka · Jan 27, 2016

We're getting to the point where it'll be a different game altogether.

Lights and Waves · Jan 27, 2016

kuroneko0509 said:
that post from reddit op tho

i guess they're afraid of vatican?

I never realized the vatican was this diligent on video game homosexuality.

zhixson · Jan 27, 2016

Nyoro SF said:
It's just localization, what are you making a fuss for? Nintendo knows what's good for your region and you should just accept that.

/s

.

BY2K · Jan 27, 2016

kuroneko0509 said:
that post from reddit op tho

i guess they're afraid of vatican?

So Nintendo is scared of the vatican?

Waylon Drums · Jan 27, 2016

If this is true, Nintendo can go fuck itself.

NotLiquid · Jan 27, 2016

You know, when people kept trying to insist that #FE was a game that "appeals to no one", I'm wondering whether they were referring to the wrong FE game.

This game is a disaster. Tamaki was right.

Leafhopper · Jan 27, 2016

Doubt it's just a rumor and it's just Italy.

Sadly.

EDIT: Oh right they understood when it came to Tomodachi Life, so maybe it is just Italy.

DrArchon · Jan 27, 2016

Like I said in the other thread, I don't see why NoE would refer to cutting LGBT content as "protecting younger audiences", as that assigns a moral value to their decision. Wouldn't they just say "in order to avoid unnecessary controversy"? That has no morality there, it's just business.

Not buying it until I see more concrete proof.

Shizuka · Jan 27, 2016

BY2K said:
So Nintendo is scared of the vatican?

But I thought Nintendo was afraid of angry moms.

kuroneko0509 · Jan 27, 2016

Lights and Waves said:
I never realized the vatican was this diligent on video game homosexuality.

BY2K said:
So Nintendo is scared of the vatican?

¯\_(&#12484

_/¯

Shizuka said:
But I thought Nintendo was afraid of angry moms.

Vatican joins the ranks

abstract alien · Jan 27, 2016

Good, just censor everything until it's imitation vanilla at this point.

frankie_baby · Jan 27, 2016

After the tomadachi incident I'd be very surprised if this is true

LordGorchnik · Jan 27, 2016

Finale Fireworker said:
Now THIS is a problem.

Fan service and civil rights are not the same thing. Blushing anime girls and guys whose faces you can rub

Hey now lets be accurate! I wanted to rub my husbands heads as much as my wives.

But yeah this is still a dumb decision

Abriael · Jan 27, 2016

This seems strange. VERY strange.

All I can say, is that Nintendo Italy didn't officially announce anything of the sort. I receive their press releases. I'll ask, but I'd be extremely surprised if true.

Palculator · Jan 27, 2016

"Localisation"

I'm not really buying it yet, though.

Regulus Tera · Jan 27, 2016

Slippery slope reaching its natural conclusion. Super disappointing.

Linkstrikesback · Jan 27, 2016

If this turns out to be true, I'll have to seriously consider skipping the game. Shame because I really want to play conquest, if nothing else.

Knock this shit off Nintendo.

Ridley327 · Jan 27, 2016

If this does pan out as the emails say, I really can't comprehend why NoE would want to jeopardize losing all the goodwill they've built up over the past few years like this.

SpecialAgentZ · Jan 27, 2016

If they remove boobs from games and people say it's okay, then those same people shoud be ok with this too.

And yes, it IS the same thing.

Mr Rivuz · Jan 27, 2016

European edition of Fire Emblem Fates will end up like this:

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NinjaCoachZ · Jan 27, 2016

frankie_baby said:
After the tomadachi incident I'd be very surprised if this is true

Apparently Italy is one of the few major EU countries where gay marriage isn't legal, sadly.

You're right though. Considering Nintendo as a whole, this seems extremely unlike them and borderline damaging to their worlwide image.

SpecialAgentZ said:
If they remove boobs from games and people say it's okay, then those same people shoud be ok with this too.

And yes, it IS the same thing.

You're really comparing creepy dudes not being able to get off to anime titties, to homophobic practices which have oppressed people for how they were born for centuries? Come the fuck on.

ZombAid82 · Jan 27, 2016

If true, that this happens to the whole EFIGS-version of the game, i'm going to boycott this shit!
Than I have to buy the US-Special-Edition, which is already sold out :-(

DrROBschiz · Jan 27, 2016

Damn

Now i might be on the anti censorship side of the debate...

Lines in the sand and such

Grisby · Jan 27, 2016

That Pope pressure.

theSlacker · Jan 27, 2016

Palculator said:
"Localisation"

I'm not really buying it yet, though.

Yeah same. The only thing that makes me worry is the whole Steven Universe thing that happened.

kitchenmotors · Jan 27, 2016

Finale Fireworker said:
Now THIS is a problem.

Fan service and civil rights are not the same thing. Blushing anime girls whose faces you can rub have not been historically oppressed and denied representation. They have not been told they don't exist, persecuted for how they were born, and denied the same space to find partners as everyone else.

But people like to argue and fight like fan service and civil rights issues are the same thing when it comes to these changes in localization. Really fucking sad.

SpecialAgentZ said:
If they remove boobs from games and people say it's okay, then those same people shoud be ok with this too.

And yes, it IS the same thing.

It's really not and this post is really disgusting.

Lights and Waves · Jan 27, 2016

Abriael said:
This seems strange. VERY strange.

All I can say, is that Nintendo Italy didn't officially announce anything of the sort. I receive their press releases. I'll ask, but I'd be extremely surprised if true.

I have a strong feeling this is something they'd rather not push out in PR, as the inclusion of the same-sex relationship was a selling point for the game and really distinguished it from past games.

Being a gay gamer kinda sucks when shit like this happens. I just want to see characters like myself in the games that I play. Of the 40+ playable characters in this game, you'd think there would be leeway to at least give us just this.

Firemind · Jan 27, 2016

Palculator said:
"Localisation"

I'm not really buying it yet, though.

That's the correct way to spell it in the UK, yes.

MayMay · Jan 27, 2016

Yeah, fuck this. I can't believe just how much pointless censoring this game is getting for the western release. Seriously considering to just not buy it because it's getting ridiculous and I don't want to support this. Sad, I've been quite excited for it but all these changes and censoring put a dampener on things.

DNAbro · Jan 27, 2016

kitchenmotors said:
But people like to argue and fight like fan service and civil rights issues are the same thing when it comes to these changes in localization. Really fucking sad.

It's really not and this post is really disgusting.

seriously.

Saikyo · Jan 27, 2016

At some point the game will be just the maps and a "congratulations" screen at the end.

Drop · Jan 27, 2016

Imo this quote makes the fact that it talks about all EU versions pretty clear:

"For the Multi 5 editions of the game (UK English, French, German, Spanish and Italian) in fact the max bond with some characters involved in a homosexal affair, if a same gender [protagonist] has been choosen in one of the three routes, will be rank 'A', instead of being 'S'."

Jackano · Jan 27, 2016

It's getting ridiculous, in a society that pro-actively fight for homosexual rights, to see Nintendo pro-actively doing something that is the opposite. This is even more backward than doing nothing.

Neiteio · Jan 27, 2016

More information is needed, but I wish different regions would stop chopping content out of this game

-Amon- · Jan 27, 2016

That's why i'm against any form of censorship.

It takes away from the public the chance to form an opinion by themeselves.

Human pets ? Do it !

Gay relationships ? Go for it.

Let ME approve or disapprove.

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