RipperGrim
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Ah the old "you don't have to buy it" argument. Pretty much the reason why microtransactions are so rampant in the gaming industry.
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Black ops 3 : pay for COD points to gamble for new guns = a new low point
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Ah the old "you don't have to buy it" argument. Pretty much the reason why microtransactions are so rampant in the gaming industry.
lebowski4ever
Neo Member
mostly play dead ops2 anyhow, never even looked at the black market...
The new weapons look really cool, but yeah, anyone who played the game since it's launch saw this coming a mile away. The system was built for COD points, and once they were implemented it's just been vindication since then for a lot of people, myself included.
It's no biggie for me, though, in that there are still plenty of weapons to unlock normally. But this F2P stuff just isn't for me. Good on others who are willing to drop or grind for it, though.
It's no biggie for me, though, in that there are still plenty of weapons to unlock normally. But this F2P stuff just isn't for me. Good on others who are willing to drop or grind for it, though.
SFV worries me right now with how much a character costs. Unless they increased the amount earned by an extraordinary amount, it would take months just to afford one.
Because you are paying for the service of playing a game that has a chance of giving you digital rewards within that game, not gambling with money attempting to win more money. I suppose a casino could argue that you're paying for the enjoyment of sitting around in a casino while losing/spending your money, but I think a lot of states don't buy that argument. The chance to win real money is more enticing/addictive than a chance to win digital guns. I think it's a very small minority of people who would be drastically negatively affected by spending their money on call of duty. Casinos literally ruin thousands, if not millions of peoples' finances. People get really addicted.
I'm glad I haven't put any more money into this game. They added micro-transactions after launch which I thought was really slimy, from what I've heard the new map pack was bad and now they've announced this? This is the best Call of Duty multiplayer has been in years but everything post launch has been garbage.
geordiemp
Member
We know that you earn ~ 2 to 3 cryptos per game, or you can buy cod points then cryto keys and get 200 + of them to speed up the f2p model....and spin the wheel for a chance of 3 cards for 30 keys.
No need for that much detail, its gambling with money for lots of chances or play 15 games at 10 minutes for 30 keys and a spin of that wheel......
It sucks...COD AW did this as well and most of the community left....cant believe they doing it again....
Good points...but they should of put the guns in the DLC or season pass - cant believe they are going to screw with their fans....
I was actually wondering how they would handle these weapons in relation to camo unlock challenges when I saw them. If they made it available to everyone then they would have to exempt them from dark camo challenges or include them in it. Which would fuck over people who were almost done. They certainty picked the shittest route by not giving everyone the guns though. I have to wonder if either season pass sales weren't up to snuff, or if this was just plain greed
You earn 2-3 cryptokeys per match, it takes at most 17ish matches to get enough keys (30) to open a Rare Supply Drop.
So... Just play the game like normal?
Even those who pay money will have just as much chance of getting garbage as you do. I've seen videos of people spending $150 on CoD Points trying to get one of the past melee weapons and got jack shit.
constantstatic
Member
Yup this is dumb I won't buy another cod. I'm 10th prestige and haven't gotten a single melee weapon from a drop yet.
Weapons from the Black Market do not affect Dark Matter/Diamond progress in any way.
However, if you have Diamond for Assault Rifles, you won't have Diamond on the new rifle until you finish the challenges for it. Same with Dark Matter if you have it. My friend had to grind out the camos on the butterfly knife before he could use his Dark Matter on it.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
i played the game like normal for three months straight as i worked towards Dark matter. I never got the wrench.
Well the KRM is a primary, not a secondary. I understand why you are not concerned, but the idea behind having these guns behind a pseudo-gambling mask is what I have a problem with. If it was a patch where they gave the weapons for free and then added skins to the supply drops, then I'd be more than fine with that. The idea that you can spend upwards to half a grand and maybe get one of those weapons (or if you are lucky get them in the first tries) is audacious to me. I am not saying that these weapons are OP or anything, but my thing is that the principle behind it is pretty messed up. My fear is that if this takes off, what stops them from adding weapon variants to the game, like AW? IIRC, AW weapon variants didn't let you put certain attachments on certain variants.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and mine is that I don't like it. Though I can respect your opinion that it's not a huge deal.
geordiemp
Member
Me neither, I am master prestige level 115 or something, almost 40,000 kills, and not a single new weapon.
I would rather die than buy COD points and gamble - better buying a Lottery ticket.
CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls
Banned
If it says you can also use cryptokeys to potentially unlock the weapons, I really don't care. CoD points are for people with more money than sense who are too impatient to play the game.
You can rack up 30 keys in roughly an hour to an hour and half all while not spending a dime.
You can rack up 30 keys in roughly an hour to an hour and half all while not spending a dime.
I'm halfway through 9th Prestige and also have Dark Matter, I don't have any of the melee weapons either. I don't care, since it doesn't affect the game in the slightest. If I get one, then yay I can use it, cool beans. I'll probably use it for a couple matches and forget about it.
HeartlessNobody213
Member
Wait, you have to prestige in order to unlock the melee weapons?
No wonder I never unlocked any.
No wonder I never unlocked any.
I'm mostly saying that it's not a huge deal right as of the moment. We got lucky that none of these weapons seem any good. The crossbow gun seems fun to fuck around with but that's it. We need to speak up against this before it gets worse though. We could always spam the community manager with the article that said supply drops would be cosmetic only
Hikami
Member
The video shows the weapons without attachments. These weapons get new attachments like a bayonet for the rifle and tri-bolt for the crossbow. We really don't know how good these are yet.
Daffy Duck
Member
That will never happen.
Yep. It's funny to see people moaning about it when you can get the keys by playing the game.
Yeah, I hope they don't turn on full greed mode. This is starting to feel like Hearthstone, except that Hearthstone is F2P and they are changing the model a bit to make it friendlier for beginners.
you know this how?
test_account
XP-39C²
For you who havnt gotten a single weapon from the drops, are you buying the 10 crypto key chest or the 30 crypto key one? Personally i pretty much always buy the 10 crypto key one and i havnt gotten any melee weapon either (got about 14k kills, so i've played quite a bit).
Doesnt seem that the weapons give any big advantage.
what are the chances of me ever getting these weapons?
i never got any of the top tier variants in my time of playing AW
They would make more money with people trying their luck and buying COD points. Unless they charged $5 or $10 a gun. They make bank with people's addiction to COD points. A YouTube search shows how popular those Supply Drop videos are.
About as high as everyone else playing the game? Lol.
Well, I think someone confirmed that the pistol can hardly equip anything. Will need to see if dual wield makes all the difference. As long as the m2 doesn't have high cal I can't see it being better than the shieva. Will need to see the spread for tri-bolt(also if it has vertical or horizontal spread) to see if it will be any more useful than for doorway camping(which is going to make skyjacked even worse lol)
Tribolt looks to be a reskinned Ballistic Knife with 3 shots. So I really don't think it will make a difference especially with how fast you can move in this game.
CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls
Banned
Considering the wealth of content buried in the supply drops, the likelihood of rolling a weapon is probably very rare. That said, buying CoD points won't increase your chances, it'll just increase the frequency in which you can unlock rare supply drops.
Similarly, play the game, earn cryptokeys, unlock supply drops without spending extra money. As long as you're having fun playing the game, the supply drops are secondary.
Beer Monkey
Member
There comes a point when regulatory intervention is gonna be needed.
Rainbow Six Siege is a breath of fresh air, BTW.
Rainbow Six Siege is a breath of fresh air, BTW.
I know that they would, which is why they are not immediately for sale.
Any model that locks away new gameplay content/mechanics like weapons behind RNG is shit. Doesn't matter if this specific gun doesn't give you serious advantage or that you could also get it in normal play. Once you introduce the option to pay real money to have more chances of unlocking the new gun you are shit. You are gating non-cosmetic content with a random loot system and then you're dangling more and quicker chances to get that content by paying additional real money which then might give you an edge which you only got because you spend this much money and doesn't actually mean you're good in the game or dedicated to master the gameplay.
The moment you introduce the real money aspect the 'just' a bad game design decision turns to a malicious and nefarious game design decision.
The moment you introduce the real money aspect the 'just' a bad game design decision turns to a malicious and nefarious game design decision.
im curious to see if these weapons are really good or what
You can try them out right now if you make custom match with bots only allowing the new weapons. You'll have to start without weapons and kill a bot to get a new weapon though.
This "you can get it just from playing the game, no need to spend money" argument is pretty silly considering the drop rate was extremely low on those melee weapons. People literally spent hundreds of dollars before they finally got the one they wanted. It's a really stupid system and doesn't deserve to be defended. Especially with the way Treyarch/Activision/whoever lied about it and said they wouldn't do this with the weapons.
I really doubt Treyarch gives us a decent drop rate on these weapons unless the backlash is huge and they throw us a bone to keep people quiet. Which won't happen.
Daffy Duck
Member
Because it didn't happen in AW, and it's pretty much the opposite of what they want.
And I've seen a level 30 get the wrench, buying their third rare supply drop.
Paying real money doesn't affect the actual chances of getting them, and I'm fine with it because I play the game and earn enough keys in a short time.
I hate microtransactions as much as the next guy, but BO3's done it pretty well. AW had weapon variants that actually made weapons stronger and OP in most cases.
Kabuki Waq
Member
bad practice but I'm still gonna give them a pass as they have given us more content out of the box than any other fps this Gen.