Virtua Tennis 3 - High res shots - Page 4

gofreak · (09-17-2006, 05:48 PM)

Originally Posted by MrMeltdown:

because this is not PCs, this is TVs

The display technology is the exact same.

Resolution in games is a very different breed from resolution in movies. People have always used higher resolution in games whereever possible.

Bad_Boy · (09-17-2006, 05:48 PM)

Originally Posted by MrMeltdown:

link me the word "better textures"

Quote:

Player's clothes now flowed realistically with their movements and the clipping errors we witnessed a few months ago are nowhere to be found. Sega also placed the PS3 version directly next to the Xbox 360 build allowing us to see the slight differences between the two. This was made more interesting by the fact that the two games are being developed by separate companies with AM2 working on the PS3 title and Sumo Digital developing the 360 version. Plainly put, the PS3 looked a little better with sharper textures and incredibly detailed player models. It was almost eerie when we noticed the veins sticking out in our character's forehead.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/727/727917p1.html
sharper ='s better, no?

kaching · (09-17-2006, 05:49 PM)

Originally Posted by dark10x:

Of course, I don't believe it's worth it in general as it is more difficult to pull off than 1280x720 with AA.

Can't be that difficult if we have several devs already aiming for it at launch. It took 2 yrs to see the first 480p game on the PS2 by comparison, didn't it?

shpankey · (09-17-2006, 05:50 PM)

Originally Posted by gofreak:

For anyone else awaiting more tangible confirmation of the 1080p-ness of VT3 (like me), 1up provides:

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3153716

wow, that looks awesome. the HDR (?) is incredible in that shot. yummy.

p.s. I am so sold on Sony's SXRD tv's. Man... they are just insane.

Kangu · (09-17-2006, 05:50 PM)

Originally Posted by Bad_Boy:

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/727/727917p1.html
sharper ='s better, no?

Nah foo! Sharper= more jaggiez! PSPoo.5 confirmed.

MrMeltdown · (09-17-2006, 05:51 PM)

Originally Posted by Bad_Boy:

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/727/727917p1.html
sharper ='s better, no?

believe what you want.

gofreak · (09-17-2006, 05:53 PM)

Originally Posted by Bad_Boy:

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/727/727917p1.html
sharper ='s better, no?

Funnily enough, if they were seeing it at 1080p then, that could have been a byproduct of the resolution. More resolution = more texture samples.

Kangu · (09-17-2006, 05:53 PM)

Originally Posted by MrMeltdown:

believe what you want.

Clearly the one who 'believe's what he wants' here isn't him.

Bad_Boy · (09-17-2006, 05:53 PM)

Originally Posted by MrMeltdown:

believe what you want.

lol.. umm.. ok.
it has nothing to do with trying to believe in anything like its some mythical creature, its right there in plain text.

Originally Posted by gofreak:

Funnily enough, if they were seeing it at 1080p then, that could have been a byproduct of the resolution. More resolution = more texture samples.

very true, they probably didnt know it was running @ 1080p, hence giving reason to why they never said anything about it. but don't shoot the messenger, i was just replying to his question.

MrMeltdown · (09-17-2006, 05:56 PM)

Originally Posted by gofreak:

The display technology is the exact same.

Resolution in games is a very different breed from resolution in movies. People have always used higher resolution in games whereever possible.

"First off, there are very few if any sources for 1080p available. 2nd, on a 1080p capable display, 1080i and 1080p would look virtually identical, as both are 30 frames per second. 1080i is 60 fields (half frames) per second which equates to 30. There is currently no spec in HDTV standards for 60 fps 1080p.
Also, you wouldn't see the difference on your plasma anyhow as it is a 720p display. There are very few 1080p plasmas and they are $10k or more. There are some smaller LCD panels from Westinghouse and others that are 1080p and for big screens your choices are pretty much limited to the D-ILA and Sony's SXRD, both of which are LCoS technologies. There are currently no LCD based RPTVs that are 1080P.
Also, while DLP makers market their displays as 1080P, they are IN FACT, not 1080P. They use 720P chips and a process called wobulation to approximate 1080P, but you can readily see the difference when seeing a DLP system next to a same size SXRD system.
This is why I purchased a Sony SXRD, even though I'm not too fond of Sony as a company. Finally got it delivered yesterday too."

Lortnoc Egamad · (09-17-2006, 05:56 PM)

Yeah but they also said that PS3 version is more detailed, meaning that polycount and shaderwork had a meaning as well.

RumFore · (09-17-2006, 05:56 PM)

Is there a clear reason why Sega seems to be letting the notion out that the PS3 version will be superior to the 360 version? I can understand if it was between the PS3 and PS2 version but why go out of your way to demonstrate that a game your releasing on the two most powerful next-gen consoles will not be up to the same quality? That to me is very under handed, not only to them but consumers.

Bad_Boy · (09-17-2006, 05:57 PM)

Originally Posted by MrMeltdown:

"First off, there are very few if any sources for 1080p available. 2nd, on a 1080p capable display, 1080i and 1080p would look virtually identical, as both are 30 frames per second. 1080i is 60 fields (half frames) per second which equates to 30. There is currently no spec in HDTV standards for 60 fps 1080p.
Also, you wouldn't see the difference on your plasma anyhow as it is a 720p display. There are very few 1080p plasmas and they are $10k or more. There are some smaller LCD panels from Westinghouse and others that are 1080p and for big screens your choices are pretty much limited to the D-ILA and Sony's SXRD, both of which are LCoS technologies. There are currently no LCD based RPTVs that are 1080P.
Also, while DLP makers market their displays as 1080P, they are IN FACT, not 1080P. They use 720P chips and a process called wobulation to approximate 1080P, but you can readily see the difference when seeing a DLP system next to a same size SXRD system.
This is why I purchased a Sony SXRD, even though I'm not too fond of Sony as a company. Finally got it delivered yesterday too."

you still quoting that year old article on no 1080p TV's being available?

Lortnoc Egamad · (09-17-2006, 05:58 PM)

Originally Posted by RumpledForeskin:

Is there a clear reason why Sega seems to be letting the notion out that the PS3 version will be superior to the 360 version? I can understand if it was between the PS3 and PS2 version but why go out of your way to demonstrate that a game your releasing on the two most powerful next-gen consoles will not be up to the same quality? That to me is very under handed, not only to them but consumers.

Being honest is a bad thing?

JB1981 · (09-17-2006, 05:58 PM)

Originally Posted by MrMeltdown:

"First off, there are very few if any sources for 1080p available. 2nd, on a 1080p capable display, 1080i and 1080p would look virtually identical, as both are 30 frames per second. 1080i is 60 fields (half frames) per second which equates to 30. There is currently no spec in HDTV standards for 60 fps 1080p.
Also, you wouldn't see the difference on your plasma anyhow as it is a 720p display. There are very few 1080p plasmas and they are $10k or more. There are some smaller LCD panels from Westinghouse and others that are 1080p and for big screens your choices are pretty much limited to the D-ILA and Sony's SXRD, both of which are LCoS technologies. There are currently no LCD based RPTVs that are 1080P.
Also, while DLP makers market their displays as 1080P, they are IN FACT, not 1080P. They use 720P chips and a process called wobulation to approximate 1080P, but you can readily see the difference when seeing a DLP system next to a same size SXRD system.
This is why I purchased a Sony SXRD, even though I'm not too fond of Sony as a company. Finally got it delivered yesterday too."

da.mage. con.troooolll.

MrMeltdown · (09-17-2006, 05:58 PM)

Originally Posted by Bad_Boy:

you still quoting that year old article on no 1080p TV's being available?

no its from May of this year

http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/04/28/1080p-vs-1080i/

SolidSnakex · (09-17-2006, 05:58 PM)

Originally Posted by RumpledForeskin:

Is there a clear reason why Sega seems to be letting the notion out that the PS3 version will be superior to the 360 version?.

If it is why not let it be known?

shpankey · (09-17-2006, 05:59 PM)

Originally Posted by RumpledForeskin:

Is there a clear reason why Sega seems to be letting the notion out that the PS3 version will be superior to the 360 version? I can understand if it was between the PS3 and PS2 version but why go out of your way to demonstrate that a game your releasing on the two most powerful next-gen consoles will not be up to the same quality? That to me is very under handed, not only to them but consumers.

Bad_Boy · (09-17-2006, 06:01 PM)

Originally Posted by RumpledForeskin:

Is there a clear reason why Sega seems to be letting the notion out that the PS3 version will be superior to the 360 version? I can understand if it was between the PS3 and PS2 version but why go out of your way to demonstrate that a game your releasing on the two most powerful next-gen consoles will not be up to the same quality? That to me is very under handed, not only to them but consumers.

listen to the 1up podcast where the Sega rep joins Luke and the gang for a chat. But I really think it has to do with similar tech in the arcade boards vs the ps3 hardware.

edit:
1up.com is going slow for me, but i got you a link:
http://zdmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o1/Podcasts/072806.mp3

Originally Posted by MrMeltdown:

no its from May of this year

http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/04/28/1080p-vs-1080i/

maybe so, but can you explain to us why you are trying to downplay 1080p as if it's a bad thing? obviously the graphics havent been downgraded because of it, whats the problem?

gofreak · (09-17-2006, 06:04 PM)

Originally Posted by MrMeltdown:

"First off, there are very few if any sources for 1080p available. 2nd, on a 1080p capable display, 1080i and 1080p would look virtually identical, as both are 30 frames per second. 1080i is 60 fields (half frames) per second which equates to 30. There is currently no spec in HDTV standards for 60 fps 1080p.
Also, you wouldn't see the difference on your plasma anyhow as it is a 720p display. There are very few 1080p plasmas and they are $10k or more. There are some smaller LCD panels from Westinghouse and others that are 1080p and for big screens your choices are pretty much limited to the D-ILA and Sony's SXRD, both of which are LCoS technologies. There are currently no LCD based RPTVs that are 1080P.
Also, while DLP makers market their displays as 1080P, they are IN FACT, not 1080P. They use 720P chips and a process called wobulation to approximate 1080P, but you can readily see the difference when seeing a DLP system next to a same size SXRD system.
This is why I purchased a Sony SXRD, even though I'm not too fond of Sony as a company. Finally got it delivered yesterday too."

I'm not sure what the relationship between framerate in the game versus the monitor/tv's supported refresh rate's is, but it doesn't make a difference to the point that resolution increases carry the same benefits for games on TVs as on monitor. The reason has nothing to do with the display, but the nature of rendering.

Razoric · (09-17-2006, 06:04 PM)

Originally Posted by MrMeltdown:

"First off, there are very few if any sources for 1080p available. 2nd, on a 1080p capable display, 1080i and 1080p would look virtually identical, as both are 30 frames per second. 1080i is 60 fields (half frames) per second which equates to 30. There is currently no spec in HDTV standards for 60 fps 1080p.
Also, you wouldn't see the difference on your plasma anyhow as it is a 720p display. There are very few 1080p plasmas and they are $10k or more. There are some smaller LCD panels from Westinghouse and others that are 1080p and for big screens your choices are pretty much limited to the D-ILA and Sony's SXRD, both of which are LCoS technologies. There are currently no LCD based RPTVs that are 1080P.
Also, while DLP makers market their displays as 1080P, they are IN FACT, not 1080P. They use 720P chips and a process called wobulation to approximate 1080P, but you can readily see the difference when seeing a DLP system next to a same size SXRD system.
This is why I purchased a Sony SXRD, even though I'm not too fond of Sony as a company. Finally got it delivered yesterday too."

let it go man. just go enjoy your 360. does 1080p really bother you this much?

HocusPocus · (09-17-2006, 06:06 PM)

Can't wait to play it at 720 P on my 360 :). And yes 1080 P would look better, but I'm not buying a PS3 until the price is around $300 for the deluxe version.

JB1981 · (09-17-2006, 06:10 PM)

Originally Posted by HocusPocus:

Can't wait to play it at 720 P on my 360 :). And yes 1080 P would look better, but I'm not buying a PS3 until the price is around $300 for the deluxe version.

You guys really can't help yourselves can you? Ruined another PS3 thread with good news. Excellent work!

MrMeltdown · (09-17-2006, 06:11 PM)

Originally Posted by Bad_Boy:

listen to the 1up podcast where the Sega rep joins Luke and the gang for a chat. But I really think it has to do with similar tech in the arcade boards vs the ps3 hardware.

edit:
1up.com is going slow for me, but i got you a link:
http://zdmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o1/Podcasts/072806.mp3

maybe so, but can you explain to us why you are trying to downplay 1080p as if it's a bad thing? obviously the graphics havent been downgraded because of it, whats the problem?

im not downplaying it. im just saying 90% of those who are blappering 1080p ftw dont even have the money to buy a good 720p monitor let alone a 55+ inch HDTV 1080p monitor which actually accepts 1080p feeds. its like saying a certain drink is great/sucks without even tasting it

HocusPocus · (09-17-2006, 06:12 PM)

Originally Posted by JB1981:

You guys really can't help yourselves can you? Ruined another PS3 thread with good news. Excellent work!

Uh ok. :) You do realize this is a thread on a PS3 / Xbox 360 game shown in 720 P and 1080 P right? It's not a circle jerk PS3 1080 p thread. Just curious :).

BenjaminBirdie · (09-17-2006, 06:13 PM)

Originally Posted by JB1981:

You guys really can't help yourselves can you? Ruined another PS3 thread with good news. Excellent work!

Maybe if you guys didn't feel the need to punctuate every other post with M$ AM CRY this sort of thing wouldn't happen. But within the posts of oh so many SDF members lie the charred beating hearts of the bullies who decked your books in Junior High. I don't blame them. They are the big fish in the pond. But when pantsed by a High School kid, we'll laugh, and when you manage to push a fat kid down the stairs, sorry, we're not going to stand up and cheer.

SolidSnakex · (09-17-2006, 06:13 PM)

Originally Posted by MrMeltdown:

im not downplaying it.

Oh please, if you were spinning any harder the Bush adminstration would hire you.

MrMeltdown · (09-17-2006, 06:15 PM)

Originally Posted by SolidSnakex:

Oh please, if you were spinning any harder the Bush adminstration would hire you.

do you have a 50+ inch 1080p feed supporting hdtv?

MrMeltdown · (09-17-2006, 06:16 PM)

Originally Posted by gofreak:

I'm not sure what the relationship between framerate in the game versus the monitor/tv's supported refresh rate's is, but it doesn't make a difference to the point that resolution increases carry the same benefits for games on TVs as on monitor. The reason has nothing to do with the display, but the nature of rendering.

that emphasis was just an interesting point i didnt know about. the point is the whole paragraph

SolidSnakex · (09-17-2006, 06:17 PM)

Originally Posted by MrMeltdown:

do you have a 50+ inch 1080p feed supporting hdtv?

Nope, but doesn't mean I can't recognize its a good thing. Guess what, most people can't afford a 720p supported TV but they don't spend all this time downplaying how good one looks.

gofreak · (09-17-2006, 06:18 PM)

Originally Posted by MrMeltdown:

do you have a 50+ inch 1080p feed supporting hdtv?

Neatly, you don't need a large 1080p TV to benefit from this. A 1080p image resampled for a 720p or lower TV will enjoy the benefits of supersampling AA. It's a bonus for everyone.

alterego · (09-17-2006, 06:19 PM)

Originally Posted by MrMeltdown:

do you have a 50+ inch 1080p feed supporting hdtv?

85% of the population doesn't have a 720P HDTV set!

What are you trying to prove here?

MrMeltdown · (09-17-2006, 06:19 PM)

Originally Posted by SolidSnakex:

Nope, but doesn't mean I can't recognize its a good thing. Guess what, most people can't afford a 720p supported TV but they don't spend all this time downplaying how good one looks.

thats the point. you would need a much bigger television or a much expensive smaller size tv to see the real difference

<nu>faust · (09-17-2006, 06:19 PM)

so let me get this straight: sega chooses to develop ps3 version of vt3 in-house while some small 3rd party is handling the 360 version, at this stage of development (which is 6 months away from its tentative release date afaik) ps3 version looks considerably better/has more features and sony fanbois go "hah haha ps3 superiority confirmed, 360 am cry" while 360 defenders starts operation damage control immediately...lol gaf never dissapoints..welcome to another episode of

MrMeltdown · (09-17-2006, 06:21 PM)

Originally Posted by <nu>faust:

so let me get this straight: sega chooses to develop ps3 version of vt3 in-house while some small 3rd party is handling the 360 version, at this stage of development (which is 6 months away from its tentative release date afaik) ps3 version looks considerably better/has more features and sony fanbois go "hah haha ps3 superiority confirmed, 360 am cry" while 360 defenders starts operation damage control immediately...lol gaf never dissapoints..welcome to another episode of

QFT

SolidSnakex · (09-17-2006, 06:22 PM)

Originally Posted by MrMeltdown:

thats the point. you would need a much bigger television or a much expensive smaller size tv to see the real difference

How is that even related to what I said?

duk · (09-17-2006, 06:23 PM)

Originally Posted by alterego:

85% of the population doesn't have a 720P HDTV set!

What are you trying to prove here?

i would say closer to 95% of the population doesn't even have an hdtv set

MrMeltdown · (09-17-2006, 06:23 PM)

Originally Posted by SolidSnakex:

How is that even related to what I said?

its related to the whole points of the discussion. "What you need to see difference between 720p and 1080p"

monkeymagic · (09-17-2006, 06:25 PM)

MrMeltdown having a meltdown

Next he'll have us believe you need a room the size of Albert Hall to enjoy PS3's 7.1 audio

MrMeltdown · 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by monkeymagic:

MrMeltdown having a meltdown

Next he'll have us believe you need a room the size of Albert Hall to enjoy PS3's 7.1 audio

no i have a very special gift my fiance gave me to use that. ill play resistance on that

Bad_Boy · (09-17-2006, 06:26 PM)

Come on MrMeltdown, you skipped my question. I really want to know!

Originally Posted by MrMeltdown:

no its from May of this year

http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/04/28/1080p-vs-1080i/

maybe so, but can you explain to us why you are trying to downplay 1080p as if it's a bad thing? obviously the graphics havent been downgraded because of it, whats the problem?

shpankey · (09-17-2006, 06:27 PM)

thread.gone.to.shit

SolidSnakex · (09-17-2006, 06:27 PM)

Originally Posted by monkeymagic:

MrMeltdown having a meltdown

Next he'll have us believe you need a room the size of Albert Hall to enjoy PS3's 7.1 audio

I get the feeling he's actually Doom_Bringer under the nickname he was being tagged as for his posts before he was banned.

alterego · (09-17-2006, 06:28 PM)

Originally Posted by duk:

i would say closer to 95% of the population doesn't even have an hdtv set

Yeh I was thinking of the US percentage. Your figure sounds right for worldwide.

Anyway does anyone know how much AA you'd get from down-sampling 1080P -> 480P?

MrMeltdown · (09-17-2006, 06:28 PM)

Originally Posted by Bad_Boy:

Come on MrMeltdown, you skipped my question. I really want to know!

maybe so, but can you explain to us why you are trying to downplay 1080p as if it's a bad thing? obviously the graphics havent been downgraded because of it, whats the problem?

ofcourse the graphics couldnt be downgraded. ur converting a game running on a 6800 into a game running on a next gen gpu.

Bad_Boy · (09-17-2006, 06:34 PM)

Originally Posted by MrMeltdown:

ofcourse the graphics couldnt be downgraded. ur converting a game running on a 6800 into a game running on a next gen gpu.

but your still not answering my question.

Luckyman · (09-17-2006, 06:35 PM)

jett · (09-17-2006, 06:41 PM)

Originally Posted by MrMeltdown:

There is currently no spec in HDTV standards for 60 fps 1080p.

1080p/60fps is not part of the 18 ATSC formats that exist out there, but there are TVs that support the format, AND it IS part of the HDMI spec. THEREFORE the PS3 supports it. AND Virtua Tennis 3 runs at 1080p/60fps. Now shut the fuck up.

PhoncipleBone · (09-17-2006, 06:46 PM)

Originally Posted by MrMeltdown:

no i have a very special gift my fiance gave me to use that. ill play resistance on that

There is a very old saying among the Home Theater crowd...

"Friends dont let friends buy Bose."

and another

"No highs? No lows? Must be Bose." (referring to frequency range of their speakers)

BioHazard · (09-17-2006, 06:48 PM)

Originally Posted by Luckyman:

Describes the thread well, hehe.:)