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Shtof · Jun 2, 2016

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-amd-rx-480-costs-199-gtx-970-r9-390-beating-performance

It's also worth noting that - clock-speeds and resultant TFLOPs aside - the specs for RX 480 are point-for-point a match for the GPU in Sony's upcoming PlayStation Neo, all but confirming that the Sony mid-gen console refresh uses both Polaris technology and the new 14nm FinFET chip manufacturing process.

I guess this is nothing new since we knew it would use the Polaris Architecture. We can assume, however, that the aggressive pricing could be a result of Sony already ordering huge amounts of the GPU for Neo, letting AMD relax the price for the standalone GPU.

What I find interesting is that the RX480 matches the GTX980 in performance. The latter was the top tier GPU 1,5 years ago, and will be 2 years old by the time PSNeo is rumored to release. If Sony can sell the console for $399 and new game releases takes advantage of the extra power the possibility is high that quite a few of the 'hard core' gamers will upgrade.

Looking further down the line, if this trend continues we could see new consoles releasing every second year for rather low prices. When off-the-shelf hardware is used R&D costs for new consoles is reduced immensely. This is a far cry from the days of PS2 and PS3 where the custom hardware were huge investments.

HandsomeCharles · Jun 2, 2016

Am I missing something? How do they know the specifications of a console that hasn't even been officially confirmed yet?

BigTnaples · Jun 2, 2016

Nice. So pumped for PS4K.

Day one. Hope it releases this year.

jmaine_ph · Jun 2, 2016

Wait really? I thought the GPU is the Neo was way weaker than this? Shocking if true.

ekim · Jun 2, 2016

jmaine_ph said:
Wait really? I thought the GPU is the Neo was way weaker than this? Shocking if true.

Probably lower clocks but the same base architecture.

coughlanio · Jun 2, 2016

Doesnt this contradict the 4TF performance that was rumoured, unless the GPU is underclocked for thermal reasons.

Opus Angelorum · Jun 2, 2016

ekim said:
Probably lower clocks but the same base architecture.

RavenholmDX said:
Doesnt this contradict the 4TF performance that was rumoured, unless the GPU is underclocked for thermal reasons.

This.

Most likely under-clocked to keep the heat down.

KingSnake · Jun 2, 2016

This article is a bit strange. So they know so much about PS4 Neo's GPU? Sounds like a controlled leak to be honest.

jmaine_ph said:
Wait really? I thought the GPU is the Neo was way weaker than this? Shocking if true.

RavenholmDX said:
Doesnt this contradict the 4TF performance that was rumoured, unless the GPU is underclocked for thermal reasons.

this titbit is very important:

Eurogamer said:
clock-speeds and resultant TFLOPs aside

UnforgivenTwin · Jun 2, 2016

So is this good? I'm not very good at understanding this stuff lol.

Shtof · Jun 2, 2016

RavenholmDX said:
Doesnt this contradict the 4TF performance that was rumoured, unless the GPU is underclocked for thermal reasons.

Basically you countered your own argument. Yes, it will probably be clocked down to 4.4 tflops like rumored. Unless, of course they can solve the heating problems.

GhostTrick · Jun 2, 2016

jmaine_ph said:
Wait really? I thought the GPU is the Neo was way weaker than this? Shocking if true.

It is. Clockspeeds makes the difference. PS4Neo is rumoured to be clocked at 911mhz making it 4.1Tflops while RX480 is supposed to be clocked at least at 1200mhz, making it 5.5 Tflops.

Basically this is how you calculate flops:
Shader units*2*clockspeed in Ghz.
2306*2*0.911 = 4.2 Tflops.
2306*2*1.2 = 5.5 Tflops.

Hoo-doo · Jun 2, 2016

Curious to see their cooling setup.

PS4 is quite notorious for running rather hot and loud so I hope they are putting in some extra work into making this thing both powerful, yet silent and compact.

Basically, i'm asking them to do the impossible I guess. I just don't want an Xbox One like VCR unit in my shelf.

KingSnake · Jun 2, 2016

Shtof said:
Basically you countered your own argument. Yes, it will probably be clocked down to 4.4 tflops like rumored. Unless, of course they can solve the heating problems.

It's not only about the heat, it's also about the fact that they don't change the CPUs, so it's anyhow bottlenecked there.

Shtof · Jun 2, 2016

UnforgivenTwin said:
So is this good? I'm not very good at understanding this stuff lol.

It's basically saying that the PS4k will have what is currently the best value for money GPU possible. So it's incredibly good.

Opus Angelorum · Jun 2, 2016

UnforgivenTwin said:
So is this good? I'm not very good at understanding this stuff lol.

It's good, but not as aggressive (in regards performance) to the PC RX480 (which does 5.5Tflops).

But the heat will be an issue for the PS4K (especially if it's using a smaller chassis).

Wollan · Jun 2, 2016

UnforgivenTwin said:
So is this good? I'm not very good at understanding this stuff lol.

Very. As good as it gets right now in 2016 while fitting inside a console chassis and not melting.

DieH@rd · Jun 2, 2016

Yup, that's it.

RX480 is clocked at 1266mhz on PC, while we know from SDK leak that Neo module will be clocked at 911mhz. That alone will push the tflops counter down to 4.2tlops, and more importantly, it will reduce heat and power draw.

Odorono · Jun 2, 2016

Shtof said:
It's basically saying that the PS4k will have what is currently the best value for money GPU possible. So it's incredibly good.

A scaled back version yes

sega4ever · Jun 2, 2016

so polaris gpus will age well on pc then?

jmaine_ph · Jun 2, 2016

ekim said:
Probably lower clocks but the same base architecture.

GhostTrick said:
It is. Clockspeeds makes the difference. PS4Neo is rumoured to be clocked at 911mhz making it 4.1Tflops while RX480 is supposed to be clocked at least at 1200mhz, making it 5.5 Tflops.

Basically this is how you calculate flops:
Shader units*2*clockspeed in Ghz.
2306*2*0.911 = 4.2 Tflops.
2306*2*1.2 = 5.5 Tflops.

Got it. Thanks.

darkwing · Jun 2, 2016

wow this is amazing, Sony trying to one up Scorpio?

GhostTrick · Jun 2, 2016

Opus Angelorum said:
It's good, but not as aggressive (in regards performance) to the PC RX480 (which does 5.5Tflops).

But the heat will be an issue for the PS4K (especially if it's using a smaller chassis).

HD7850 had the same TDP as Rx480.
So... The cooling would be pretty much the same.

darkwing said:
wow this is amazing, Sony trying to one up Scorpio?

No surprise here. PS4 Neo was always rumoured to have 36 compute units. Although Scorpio is rumoured to sit at 6Tflops... So 4.2 Tflops would be the same kind of gap between XB1 and PS4.

hydrophilic attack · Jun 2, 2016

So I guess making new consoles every second year will be how AMD survives. But a once proud PC hardware company reduced to making weak consoles, can we really call that "life" or is it more akin to undeath?

thuway · Jun 2, 2016

Sony please up the clocks on Neo to the 480 PC design. 5.5 TF Sony! I guess I should go back to dreaming.

One the real, this is a very nice card.

Odorono · Jun 2, 2016

darkwing said:
wow this is amazing, Sony trying to one up Scorpio?

What? How?

DieH@rd · Jun 2, 2016

Opus Angelorum said:
It's good, but not as aggressive (in regards performance) to the PC RX480 (which does 5.5Tflops).

But the heat will be an issue for the PS4K (especially if it's using a smaller chassis).

911mhz clocked Polaris will not produce a lot of heat.

darkwing said:
wow this is amazing, Sony trying to one up Scorpio?

No. All this was known from the first Neo leak, we just have a PC version of it coming to sale this month for a great price.

Scorpio will be stronger, possibly using larger Vega 10 chip.
http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/AMD-Vega-10-Polaris-10-Polaris-11-Feature.jpg

Wollan · Jun 2, 2016

thuway said:
Sony please up the clocks on Neo to the 480 PC design. 5.5 TF Sony! I guess I should go back to dreaming.

RROD v.2.

thuway · Jun 2, 2016

Opus Angelorum said:
It's good, but not as aggressive (in regards performance) to the PC RX480 (which does 5.5Tflops).

But the heat will be an issue for the PS4K (especially if it's using a smaller chassis).

Polaris chips by design are made to take a high clock rate. Sony seems to be going very conservative in their clock rates.

Opus Angelorum · Jun 2, 2016

darkwing said:
wow this is amazing, Sony trying to one up Scorpio?

The Scorpio has been rumored to run at 6TFLOP, which will probably be a custom RX 480 with a higher clock rate.

thuway said:
Polaris chips by design are made to take a high clock rate. Sony seems to be going very conservative in their clock rates.

Yes, which will benefit Microsoft if they are aiming for the above.

UnforgivenTwin · Jun 2, 2016

Thanks for all of the responses GAF. I appreciate it very much.

Ethelwulf · Jun 2, 2016

thuway said:
Sony please up the clocks on Neo to the 480 PC design. 5.5 TF Sony! I guess I should go back to dreaming.

One the real, this is a very nice card.

What if Neo is going to be 399?

Renekton · Jun 2, 2016

Wollan said:
YLOD v.2.

Fixed!

KingSnake · Jun 2, 2016

darkwing said:
wow this is amazing, Sony trying to one up Scorpio?

No, this is practically confirming the earlier rumours, so still the same gap.

Opus Angelorum · Jun 2, 2016

DieH@rd said:
911mhz clocked Polaris will not produce a lot of heat.

Yes, that's why I had stated it was for better thermal performance.

Alej · Jun 2, 2016

hydrophilic attack said:
So I guess making new consoles every second year will be how AMD survives. But a once proud PC hardware company reduced to making weak consoles, can we really call that "life" or is it more akin to undeath?

Is this a joke? This is so condescending.
Why is this considered different than a budget PC exclusively build with gaming and media abilities in mind, for the living room?

It is not that weak actually. Strongest software arguably on the market right now runs on 3 to 4x less powerful 2012 hardware.

Aztechnology · Jun 2, 2016

The CPU is a bottleneck though for this chip. Hopefully they re-evaluate their CPU decision and put something a little more powerful in at a minor cost increase. (Doubtful I know, but we still don't know how far out these are anyway.)

Bits N Pieces · Jun 2, 2016

Hoo-doo said:
Curious to see their cooling setup.

PS4 is quite notorious for running rather hot and loud so I hope they are putting in some extra work into making this thing both powerful, yet silent and compact.

Basically, i'm asking them to do the impossible I guess. I just don't want an Xbox One like VCR unit in my shelf.

VCR > Hairdryer

KinofChaos · Jun 2, 2016

Opus Angelorum said:
It's good, but not as aggressive (in regards performance) to the PC RX480 (which does 5.5Tflops).

But the heat will be an issue for the PS4K (especially if it's using a smaller chassis).

No it won't....Sony is an electronics company they know what they are doing.

jeffram · Jun 2, 2016

KingSnake said:
This article is a bit strange. So they know so much about PS4 Neo's GPU? Sounds like a controlled leak to be honest.
this titbit is very important:

Developers have kits, and apparently technical documentation that's been shared with DF.

leeh · Jun 2, 2016

Aztechnology said:
The CPU is a bottleneck though for this chip. Hopefully they re-evaluate their CPU decision and put something a little more powerful in at a minor cost increase. (Doubtful I know, but we still don't know how far out these are anyway.)

The APU is going to set in-stone, and will of been for a while. If anything, it'll just get a clock increase, same as what happened to the X1 prior to launch.

itsbenoclock · Jun 2, 2016

Sounds good, but I won't buy one of these without a CPU upgrade, I just don't see the point.

Opus Angelorum · Jun 2, 2016

KinofChaos said:
No it won't....Sony is an electronics company they know what they are doing.

The current PS4 is (and the PS3 was) really noisy, that's a cooling issue.

Kolx · Jun 2, 2016

That's a bit disappointing. Can't they work around the thermal problem?

Aztechnology · Jun 2, 2016

leeh said:
The APU is going to set in-stone, and will of been for a while. If anything, it'll just get a clock increase, same as what happened to the X1 prior.

Yea.... I know

I just don't understand why they wouldn't have taken the chance to revise the CPU when they had the chance.

_Ryo_ · Jun 2, 2016

Seems great. But wouldn't Scorpio still be more powerful?

SomedayTheFire · Jun 2, 2016

Opus Angelorum said:
The current PS4 is (and the PS3 was) really noisy, that's a cooling issue.

it isn't for everyone. mine isn't.

_Ryo_ said:
Seems great. But wouldn't Scorpio still be more powerful?

of course lol it'll be coming out a year later.

KingBroly · Jun 2, 2016

Aztechnology said:
Yea.... I know I just don't understand why they wouldn't have taken the chance to revise the CPU when they had the chance.

It'd basically be a new system at that point.

bombshell · Jun 2, 2016

Opus Angelorum said:
The Scorpio has been rumored to run at 6TFLOP, which will probably be a custom RX 480 with a higher clock rate.

The correct rumor is 5-6 TFLOPS, it was just Arthus Gies (unsurprisingly) decided to only report the high target.

Renekton · Jun 2, 2016

Kolx said:
That's a bit disappointing. Can't they work around the thermal problem?

They can use a VCR-sized box and put the power brick outside..

jeffram · Jun 2, 2016

thuway said:
Sony please up the clocks on Neo to the 480 PC design. 5.5 TF Sony! I guess I should go back to dreaming.

One the real, this is a very nice card.

There is precedent for them bumping the clock at a later date (like when Scorpio drops)

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