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SOR5
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(06-22-2016, 01:43 PM)
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Link here, begins around 6 minutes.

Just an establishment over how Neo will operate in conjuction with the existing PS4, similar to whats been established about Scorpio, PS4 will serve as the more affordable standard whilst Neo will serve as the higher-end edition. Support will be mandatory for the PS4 and Neo, developers have to utilize Neo's power but are fully obligated to support the PS4.

The interviewer asks if the generation is ending quickly in favour of hardware progressing in smaller and more frequent steps

Yoshida responds:

Well no, PS4 is PS4, you know the new high end PS4 is still PS4, so you know the lifecycle is not going to be shorter

This should clear up any worries as 'PS4 is just PS4' means Neo will not force you to abandon your existing PS4 library and accessories, they will be all compatible with the console succeeding them.

From Andrew Houses interview there will be no Neo exclusives, as Neo is intended to be a complementary device to the PS4, a high end option that enables greater performance and greater capabilities without cutting support for PS4 users and their library.

EDIT: It's still unknown whether this rules out a "brand new generation" with a PS5 because its unknown what Sony's policies are beyond Neo and whether they will follow MS' plan, so it should be speculated as to what constitutes as a new generation IMO as thats an entirely different ball game, for now though Neo is intended to be a premium iteration of the PS4 without cutting off the PS4.
Venom Fox
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(06-22-2016, 01:44 PM)
Good news. We will get a new generation after all.
wesleyshark
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(06-22-2016, 01:44 PM)
Ps4 neo is ps4.
Xbox Scorpio is Xbox One.

Neither company is ending a life cycle. They're only enriching it.
Zombie James
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(06-22-2016, 01:44 PM)
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The PS4 is going to be three years old this fall, so I would guess it has another 2-3 years before it gets phased out.
DKHF
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(06-22-2016, 01:46 PM)
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Even with Neo I have and still do expect PS5 to come in 2019/2020
kurahador
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(06-22-2016, 01:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by Zombie James

The PS4 is going to be three years old this fall, so I would guess it has another 2-3 years before I gets phased out.

Nah...I think they'll experiment with new and better iteration like Neo.
3 years cycle would be my guess as that seems reasonable.
ps3ud0
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(06-22-2016, 01:47 PM)
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Tick tock it is - Im relieved but dont know why. Far more interested in Neo/Scorpios replacements now...

ps3ud0 8)
Outrun
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(06-22-2016, 01:47 PM)
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Great.


I just hope that people stop with the abandonment bit when Yosh and Phil continually state otherwise.
Dinjooh
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(06-22-2016, 01:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by DKHF

Even with Neo I have and still do expect PS5 to come in 2019/2020

Same. I expect it to work with the same games though. With some ps4 titles not working and all neo titles working.
Neuro
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(06-22-2016, 01:48 PM)
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They pull this Neo/Scorpio off and people are going to wait even longer to pick up whatever is looming in the context of next gen...
True Fire
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(06-22-2016, 01:51 PM)
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Neo will lengthen PS4 support, especially when it comes to things like firmware updates and server longevity.
GopherD
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(06-22-2016, 01:51 PM)
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Originally Posted by wesleyshark

Xbox Scorpio is Xbox One.

You can say it as many times as you like. Scorpio is a new generation.
Skux
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(06-22-2016, 01:51 PM)
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If this stays true we could be looking at a console generation even longer than the PS3/Xbox era.
sphinx
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(06-22-2016, 01:52 PM)
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yeah.....3rd pillar
SOR5
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(06-22-2016, 01:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by Skux

If this stays true we could be looking at a console generation even longer than the last.

There are no more generations I believe, just iterations expanding upon each other.
Obscuritas
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(06-22-2016, 01:54 PM)
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Yup. If anything, this gen will be longer or at least on par with the last one. And that includes X1s/Scorpio as well.
FelipeMGM
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(06-22-2016, 01:54 PM)
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Originally Posted by SO5

Link here, begins around 6 minutes.

Just as an establishment over how Neo will operate in conjuction with the existing PS4, similar whats been established about Scorpio, PS4 will serve as the more affordable standard whilst Neo will serve as the higher-end edition. Support will be mandatory for the PS4 and Neo.

The interviewer asks if generation is ending in favour of hardware progressing in smaller and more frequent steps

Yoshida responds:



This should clear up any worries

From what we know, these machines are not similar, people got to understand that.
Heckler456
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(06-22-2016, 01:54 PM)
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Originally Posted by GopherD

You can say it as many times as you like. Scorpio is a new generation.

In what way? I was under the impression it, just like the Neo, would basically be stronger current gen console, still beholden to the lower powered versions? When I think "new generation", I think "out with the old, in with the new", to put into flowery terms.
pastrami
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(06-22-2016, 01:55 PM)

Originally Posted by Heckler456

In what way? I was under the impression it, just like the Neo, would basically be stronger current gen console, still beholden to the lower powered versions? When I think "new generation", I think "out with the old, in with the new", to put into flowery terms.

Do you think we'll see Fallout 4 VR on Xbox One?
SOR5
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(06-22-2016, 01:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by FelipeMGM

From what we know, these machines are not similar, people got to understand that.

The policies are near-identical though

Both platforms have to be supported
Both platforms will not dictate how power should be used
The only one that hasnt been established is the presence of whether there will be Neo exclusives, I dont think there will be, infact im pretty sure there wont be.
c0de
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(06-22-2016, 01:56 PM)
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Originally Posted by GopherD

You can say it as many times as you like. Scorpio is a new generation.

You can say it as many times as you like. The generation definition doesn't apply anymore to Xbox.
IvanJ
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(06-22-2016, 01:57 PM)

Originally Posted by DKHF

Even with Neo I have and still do expect PS5 to come in 2019/2020

Same here. And with a couple of years of cross gen titles, I think my next console purchase will be in 2021/22.
wapplew
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(06-22-2016, 01:57 PM)
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What about beyond generation? What about console cycle is dead?

#consolecyclealive.
robertsan21
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(06-22-2016, 01:58 PM)
Sounds great. Cant wait for the NEO.

Question.

Let say Destiny 2 comes in 1080p 60fps on Neo and for the PS4 they have it 1080p 30fps.

Can those PS4 users still play against me with Neo? I have no idea how this works :)
Septic360
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(06-22-2016, 01:58 PM)
Goood

Duxxy3
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(06-22-2016, 01:58 PM)
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If the PS4 and NEO were on their own I would believe him. But developers have to account for the Xbox One and Scorpio as well. 1.3tflops to 6tflops. That's one hell of a range to optimize for.

I think that's going to be too much for developers and they will transition to the NEO and Scorpio to save costs, after the user base builds up.
BeforeU
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(06-22-2016, 01:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by pastrami

Do you think we'll see Fallout 4 VR on Xbox One?


They went out of their way to put Tod in Scorpio announcement video to talk about Fallout VR. Considering that, I think its highly likely.
Kouriozan
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(06-22-2016, 01:59 PM)
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Well of course, there is still a lot of money to be made on original PS4 and Xbone.
mrklaw
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(06-22-2016, 01:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by Venom Fox

Good news. We will get a new generation after all.

His quote doesn't mean that though
2n2
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(06-22-2016, 01:59 PM)

Originally Posted by GopherD

You can say it as many times as you like. Scorpio is a new generation.

Not really if all it does is upscale Xbox One games to 4K.

It remains to be seen.
Obscuritas
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(06-22-2016, 01:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by GopherD

You can say it as many times as you like. Scorpio is a new generation.

Naa. X1s will still be around for a while.
KingBroly
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(06-22-2016, 02:00 PM)

Originally Posted by wapplew

What about beyond generation? What about console cycle is dead?

I wonder what becomes the baseline, myself. PS4K or PS5? Or whatever they call it. Going from PS4 > PS5 would be a ridiculous jump and cause a lot more risk than this PS4K supposedly is doing.
SolidSnakex
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(06-22-2016, 02:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by wapplew

What about beyond generation? What about console cycle is dead?

I don't think PS console cycles are going to die. When it's time for the PS5, the PS4 is going to be dropped. It has to be dropped because the PS4 will just weigh it down.
Z3M0G
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(06-22-2016, 02:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by SO5

This should clear up any worries

People were still unsure about this?
FelipeMGM
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(06-22-2016, 02:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by SO5

The policies are near-identical

Like ''policies'' really mean anything in this industry, Microsoft changed theirs 2 times in this gen alone, Sony changed theirs with PS3 even before mid gen

My thoughts: Scorpio is new hardware, new gen wether people will like it or not. The 4 year cycle worked for them with OG Xbox - Xbox 360, not shocking if they are doing it again.

Originally Posted by SO5

The policies are near-identical though

The only one that hasnt been established is the presence of whether there will be Neo exclusives, I dont think there will be, infact im pretty sure there wont be.

It wont, Andy House said that on the interview he mentioned NEO before E3
Raylan
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(06-22-2016, 02:01 PM)
PS5 in November 2019 then :)

Good!
Heckler456
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(06-22-2016, 02:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by pastrami

Do you think we'll see Fallout 4 VR on Xbox One?

No, but I don't think the Scorpio being a machine made partly with VR in mind, while the current gen xbox one is not, makes the former a "new generation". It does make it something different, though.

I guess it's all semantics anyway. We'll let EA decide whether or not this is a new generation!
Ricky_R
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(06-22-2016, 02:02 PM)
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Just when I thought I didn't need a new console they pull this shit.
SOR5
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(06-22-2016, 02:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by FelipeMGM

Like ''policies'' really mean anything in this industry, Microsoft changed theirs 2 times in this gen alone, Sony changed theirs with PS3 even before mid gen

Scorpio is new hardware, new gen wether people like it or not. The 4 year cycle worked for them with OG Xbox - Xbox 360, not shocking they are doing it again.

Scorpio and Neo are iterations, the ones after them will be iterations of Scorpio and Neo, there are no more 'technical' new generations. Just milestones of technology and marketing.

A new generation is a complete refresh of hardware and software and accessories, this wont be happening anymore, all that will change is the box and the specifications and capabiilities.
pastrami
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(06-22-2016, 02:03 PM)

Originally Posted by robertsan21

Sounds great. Cant wait for the NEO.

Question.

Let say Destiny 2 comes in 1080p 60fps on Neo and for the PS4 they have it 1080p 30fps.

Can those PS4 users still play against me with Neo? I have no idea how this works :)

Yes, that's the idea. Same player base/infrastructure. Neo can not have extra features, but can have extended features (so you may see 4 player split screen on Neo vs 2 player on PS4, but not split screen on Neo vs no split screen on PS4).

Originally Posted by BeforeU

They went out of their way to put Tod in Scorpio announcement video to talk about Fallout VR. Considering that, I think its highly likely.

Well consider me skeptical that we'll see Fallout 4, which struggles to maintain 30fps on Xbox One, run in VR on Xbox One.
kurahador
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(06-22-2016, 02:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by robertsan21

Sounds great. Cant wait for the NEO.

Question.

Let say Destiny 2 comes in 1080p 60fps on Neo and for the PS4 they have it 1080p 30fps.

Can those PS4 users still play against me with Neo? I have no idea how this works :)

Of course. It's like asking whether or not people who play Dota 2 in low quality graphical setting can play with people who play it in ultra quality.
It's still the same game.
Chrisdk
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(06-22-2016, 02:03 PM)

Originally Posted by SolidSnakex

I don't think PS console cycles are going to die. When it's time for the PS5, the PS4 is going to be dropped. It has to be dropped because the PS4 will just weigh it down.

Yup this. It's not really that confusing. The new cycle is just that we have a stronger console in between for those who wants a more high end experience. People can still follow the old cycle if they don't want to spend money on the Scorpio/Neo.
2n2
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(06-22-2016, 02:03 PM)

Originally Posted by KingBroly

I wonder what becomes the baseline, myself. PS4K or PS5? Or whatever they call it. Going from PS4 > PS5 would be a ridiculous jump and cause a lot more risk than this PS4K supposedly is doing.

I think whatever PS5 is will be the baseline, as long as PS4/Neo games are backward compatible. I think people will be ready for a new baseline at that time, and will be fine with it if they can carry everything forward.
III-V
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(06-22-2016, 02:06 PM)
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Sounds less like a Scorpio and more like a slim +
Dragon1893
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(06-22-2016, 02:07 PM)
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This life cycle talk is pretty pointless considering Neo wont have exclusive games.
It's 2 versions of the same machine.
SOR5
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(06-22-2016, 02:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by FelipeMGM

It wont, Andy House said that on the interview he mentioned NEO before E3

Yeah I remember reading it somewhere, that must have been it
robertsan21
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(06-22-2016, 02:08 PM)

Originally Posted by kurahador

Of course. It's like asking whether or not people who play Dota 2 in low quality graphical setting can play with people who play it in ultra quality.
It's still the same game.

yeah but I thought there would be some sort of advantage in online PVP mode with one running 60fps while another only 30fps..but maybe im just not understanding what FPS actually does.

cool, cant wait to get a Neo
KingBroly
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(06-22-2016, 02:09 PM)

Originally Posted by 2n2

I think whatever PS5 is will be the baseline, as long as PS4/Neo games are backward compatible. I think people will be ready for a new baseline at that time, and will be fine with it if they can carry everything forward.

If I were a businessman at that level, I think I'd want PS4K/Scorpio to be the baseline because it's risk averse. I feel like we might be headed to new boxes every year or every other year, which I think is pretty foolish.
Bishop89
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(06-22-2016, 02:10 PM)
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whenever neo hits, i expect the ps5, 2 years later.
kyser73
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(06-22-2016, 02:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by III-V

Sounds less like a Scorpio and more like a slim +

Which is what the original leaks implied. Smaller, ~2.5x more powerful, 4K something.

It's only since Osiris upped the presumed lower cost from $399 to $499 and the Scorpio 'specs' were 'revealed' that there's been this frenzy of 'Must be MOAR!!!!SONY!!!!!'.

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