Resistance 17.75GB artificially bloated.

[squatingyeti]

It looks like all the talk coming from the Resistance devs about how huge the game is was...........based on artificial padding. After being able to dump PS3 games with linux, this was discovered on resistance.

4394880 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_0.bin 4615616 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_1.bin 5258560 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_10.bin 5336160 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_11.bin 5442304 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_12.bin 5495488 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_13.bin 5561440 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_14.bin 5626784 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_15.bin 5688160 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_16.bin 5765280 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_17.bin 5889024 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_18.bin 5942112 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_19.bin 4718912 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_2.bin 5987712 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_20.bin 6038464 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_21.bin 6102080 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_22.bin 6149984 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_23.bin 6214304 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_24.bin 6286304 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_25.bin 6343936 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_26.bin 6437824 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_27.bin 6482336 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_28.bin 6594560 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_29.bin 4762144 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_3.bin 6618720 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_30.bin 6671936 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_31.bin 6732512 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_32.bin 6781056 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_33.bin 6824832 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_34.bin 6865280 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_35.bin 7018656 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_36.bin 7124640 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_37.bin 7216960 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_38.bin 7305696 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_39.bin 4869696 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_4.bin 7394528 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_40.bin 7430784 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_41.bin 7465216 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_42.bin 7499808 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_43.bin 7566848 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_44.bin 7633632 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_45.bin 7699616 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_46.bin 7770880 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_47.bin 7841952 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_48.bin 7912320 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_49.bin 4957888 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_5.bin 7971520 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_50.bin 8030560 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_51.bin 8088992 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_52.bin 8143264 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_53.bin 8197344 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_54.bin 8251008 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_55.bin 8326752 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_56.bin 8402272 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_57.bin 8476864 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_58.bin 8535808 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_59.bin 5006176 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_6.bin 5059168 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_7.bin 5115296 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_8.bin 5189440 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_g enerated_padding_9.bin

And that's only in the US part of the game. It's got all regions.

[Jcgamer60]

So what is padding?

[ezekial45]

Can you describe what artificial padding is?

[Ace 8095]

What the hell does this mean?

[elostyle]

To push data to the outer rims I suppose. Transfer rates are higher out there.

Disc based games are never optimized for size anyways with a few exceptions like oblivion where new DLC is a couple hundred kilobytes each.

[Surreal]

Eh... I'm not too ready to believe this.

[duk]

padding?

[Gattsu25]

It looks like all the talk coming from the Resistance devs about how huge the game is was...........based on artificial padding. After being able to dump PS3 games with linux, this was discovered on resistance. And that's only in the US part of the game. It's got all regions.

use [ code ] instead of [ quote ]

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5442304 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_12.bin
5495488 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_13.bin
5561440 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_14.bin
5626784 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_15.bin
5688160 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_16.bin
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5942112 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_19.bin
4718912 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_2.bin
5987712 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_20.bin
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6214304 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_24.bin
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6618720 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_30.bin
6671936 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_31.bin
6732512 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_32.bin
6781056 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_33.bin
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6865280 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_35.bin
7018656 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_36.bin
7124640 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_37.bin
7216960 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_38.bin
7305696 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_39.bin
4869696 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_4.bin
7394528 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_40.bin
7430784 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_41.bin
7465216 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_42.bin
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7566848 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_44.bin
7633632 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_45.bin
7699616 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_46.bin
7770880 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_47.bin
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7912320 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_49.bin
4957888 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_5.bin
7971520 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_50.bin
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5059168 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_7.bin
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5189440 , >:\PS3_GAME\USRDIR\packed\movies\muxed\ntsc\auto_generated_padding_9.bin

[NinSoX]

Is that like putting tissue in your bra so your breasts would look bigger?

[trilobyte]

To push data to the outer rims I suppose. Transfer rates are higher out there. Disc based games are never optimized for size anyways with a few exceptions like oblivion where new DLC is a couple hundred kilobytes each.

But can you pick and choose what data goes where?

[koam]

It means they added empty files to fill up space (by empty i mean files that just have spaces in them or grabage data). Devs do this to push the game on the outer edges of the discs because it reduces load times (outer edges read more date on one disc spin that the inner edge).

But can you pick and choose what data goes where?

Of course, they're stored alphabetically so you just pad the discs with stuff like AAAAAA.AAA

[BlueTsunami]

padding?

Going by the how the OP is portraying it. Its when Developers pack data on a game disk to make it seem bigger than it really is

[gbovo]

It looks like all the talk coming from the Resistance devs about how huge the game is was...........based on artificial padding. After being able to dump PS3 games with linux, this was discovered on resistance. And that's only in the US part of the game. It's got all regions.

Locked in the blink of an eye.

[elostyle]

But can you pick and choose what data goes where?

It depends on the tool that packs it I suppose. You can probably list files and or directories in order and it will arrange the data like that. So yes you can.

[TekunoRobby]

Hmmm and its a .bin file too. Anyone been able to decrypt the files? Has anyone been able to export model/texture file data?

[gbovo]

It means they added empty files to fill up space. Devs do this to push the game on the outer edges of the discs because it reduces load times (outer edges read more date on one disc spin that the inner edge).

i'm sure the OP was trying to spin this to be a bad thing ;)

[Mr. Wednesday]

Honestly, does the game look like it uses that much data?

[Stumpokapow]

Assuming those filesizes are bytes, that's only 60 * ~7 megs of padding or around 420 megs of padding. Given that a BR disc can store 25 gigs, this is the equivalent of having a ten megabyte garbage file on a cd.

Really nothing to get worked up about. Resistance is a massive game.

[Wario64]

I'm not surprised at all

And does this mean the game sucks now?

[neptunes]

Probably used to manipulate how a disc is read and to reduce loadtimes, rockstar did it with GTA3 and other developers did it with their streaming intensive games.

[squatingyeti]

use [ code ] instead of [ quote ]

Oops, sorry. Well, padding is just artificially increasing the size of the game. No reason for it whatsoever, but to justify BD was the only format Resistance could work on. Also, like I said this is just in the US directory. Resistance includes directories for every language ;)

[koam]

i'm sure the OP was trying to spin this to be a bad thing ;)

Nah Sony already spined this when they said that resistance is using almost all of the disc. No shit it is, they've padded the game.

[Gattsu25]

420 * [how many regions does this game have on the disc?]

Oops, sorry.

No problems, just that [ quote ] breaks up long strings of text (why auto_generated_padding has an unwanted space in it)

something I learned earlier but isn't really important in this case. pet peeve, :(

[Goreomedy]

Looks like someone is trying to compensate!

In b4 cock.

[brokenwatch]

It means they added empty files to fill up space (by empty i mean files that just have spaces in them or grabage data). Devs do this to push the game on the outer edges of the discs because it reduces load times (outer edges read more date on one disc spin that the inner edge).

I thought Bluray had constant read times.

[BlueTsunami]

I thought Bluray had constant read times.

CLV yes. Though, I would think games would still need redundancy in regards to game data, seeing as its still Optical Media.

[Graphics Horse]

edit:
never mind.

[koam]

I thought Bluray had constant read times.

Don't know about that.. does the disc speed keep changing? Either way, sony was making claims that the game was huge and was impossible on DVD but they've padded the game to make it look bigger than it really is.

[Kabouter]

So how much padding is there in total?

[Amir0x]

Don't know about that.. does the disc speed keep changing? Either way, sony was making claims that the game was huge and was impossible on DVD but they've padded the game to make it look bigger than it really is.

oh yeah that's what happened

Sony went to Insomniac and said 'let's pad this game to make it look bigger than it really is.'

you guys, you ****ing guys

[MrToughPants]

Another great thread

[pCeSlAyEr]

I thought Bluray had constant read times.

it does... there is no benifit to padding a BR game other to inflate the image size..

[Gattsu25]

how many regions are on the Resistance disc?

[Rhindle]

This is a red herring. I'm sure they could get a game up to 17 GBs just through lack of compression and lack of deleting redundant files in the development build, without having to resort to deliberate padding.

I'm also sure they could have put Resistance on a DVD9 if they really wanted to.

[Dahbomb]

NB4 6 pages.

[Wollan]

Honestly, does the game look like it uses that much data?

The singleplayer seems to take people over 12 hours on an average. Then you factor in the expansive online multiplayer, fmw recorded scenes, the various languages..etc. I'm pretty sure the material needed takes 16GB as proclaimed.

[BlueTsunami]

oh yeah that's what happened Sony went to Insomniac and said 'let's pad this game to make it look bigger than it really is.' you guys, you ****ing guys

/me twirls his finger in the air

Its Sony Amir0x. Theres also a 6600GT inside the PS3! Not no G70 based GPU!

[squatingyeti]

According to everyone else, the PS3 should load data the same no matter WHERE it is on the disc. So the excuse that it pushes data to the edges is retarded. If you get constant speed, there's absolutely no need to push data.

[pCeSlAyEr]

The singleplayer seems to take people over 12 hours as well on an average. Then you factor in the expansive online multiplayer, fmw recorded scenes, the various languages..etc. I'm pretty sure the material needed takes 16GB as proclaimed.

okay... then why is there padded data?

[vantastic]

Don't know about that.. does the disc speed keep changing? Either way, sony was making claims that the game was huge and was impossible on DVD but they've padded the game to make it look bigger than it really is.

it's cute how you're trying so hard to spin this in a negative way to bash sony. i also doubt there are gigabytes of padding like you claim they are doing.

[Mooreberg]

.

Stop padding the thread with duplicate screenshots!

[Gattsu25]

it's cute how you're trying so hard to spin this in a negative way to bash sony. i also doubt there are gigabytes of padding like you claim they are doing.

It all depends on how many regions are on the game disc.

each region has 420MB of padding

[vantastic]

Stop padding the thread with duplicate screenshots!

[Manp]

before padding

NB4 6 pages.

after padding

in before 6 pages.

:)

[ThirdEye]

So how much padding is there in total?

Assuming those filesizes are bytes, that's only 60 * ~7 megs of padding or around 420 megs of padding. Given that a BR disc can store 25 gigs, this is the equivalent of having a ten megabyte garbage file on a cd. Really nothing to get worked up about. Resistance is a massive game.

Thread am failure.

[Xamdou]

Considering that all the PS3 launch games didn't fill even 1 dvd disc (Except for Resistance of course), looks like Sony filled Resistance filled with all the languages into the game and put in these "paddings" to make the game fill 17 gigs which is to show that Blue-Ray disc are needed.

As for the question if more storage space is needed for these next-gen games, Blue Dragon is going to fill 3 DvDs the only reason for this is that the game is full of CG animations on top of the epic RPG game itself.

[Lee N]

okay... then why is there padded data?

Can't you read? It has been stated many times in this thread that devs pad data to get the vital parts of the game to the outer parts of the disc to be able to load it faster.

It has been done on both CD and DVDs too, so it's not new.

[Wario64]

Resistance: Hot Padding edition

Rated F for flamebait

[vantastic]

It all depends on how many regions are on the game disc. each region has 420MB of padding

there has to be a reason for the padding and only the developers will know. all we can do is guess. why would they put padding just to claim the game was so huge? like anyone really cares.

[BlueTsunami]

yadda yada yadda Oblivion yada yada yada

Lets get this thread started yo!