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Symone Sanders: ‘We Don’t Need White People Leading The Democratic Party Right Now’

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yanipheonu

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I don't really care what colour their skin is. I just want a good leader for everyone, not just whoever they deem to be worth helping.
 
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XenodudeX

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I don't necessarily think the democratic party shouldn't lead by white people, but the leadership definitely needs to be more diverse.
 
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shintoki

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The party does need to diversify more and take into account more people rather than typically a few rich, white individuals trying to cater to everyone.

But the first thing they need is a person who is willing to work and wants to win. No more bullshit nepotism like DWS.
 
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Jonm1010

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I want whoever has the best strategy to bring the party closer to my ideals and has the best capacity to implement and achieve that strategy, I really don't care what their skin color is. But I do find the notion that skin color should be a pre-requisite for consideration or a disqualification is a bit absurd.

If Ellison is that person, and I am coming around more and more on him, so be it. Dean has proven himself and was my first choice but I do worry about his private interests in things like the pharm industry harming his ability to be objective on setting strategy and agenda. But he knows how to set up winning infrastructure and that should be a major plus in his favor.

The more this continues it seems like the Democratic party is falling into the same splintered traps and in-fighting that neutered their effectiveness under Bush and during Obama's first couple years.
 
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MHWilliams

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XenodudeX said:
I don't necessarily think the democratic party shouldn't lead by white people, but the leadership definitely needs to be more diverse.
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This is largely the point. The Democratic Party is a broad coalition focused on various issues and the leadership should reflect that.
 
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faisal233

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Jonm1010 said:
I want whoever has the best strategy to bring the party closer to my ideals and has the best capacity to implement and achieve that strategy, I really don't care what their skin color is.

If Ellison is that person, and I am coming around more and more on him, so be it. Dean has proven himself and was my first choice but I do worry about his private interests in things like the pharm industry harming his ability to be objective on setting strategy and agenda.

The more this continues it seems like the Democratic party is falling into the same splintered traps and in-fighting that neutered their effectiveness under Bush and during Obama's first couple years.
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He is not. Go listen to his interview in Keepin it 1600.
 
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legacyzero

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Time to shine the Keith signal

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faisal233

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legacyzero said:
Time to shine the Keith signal

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Keith is nowhere ready for primetime. I'll say this as a brown skinned muslim, he isn't ready. We need to quit trying to find our perfect checkbox candidate.

I'll be happy with a white guy from Alabama who wins over the most diverse chair who losses.
 
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LostMyNarbles

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I don't quite understand what she's saying. I do not care what skin color somebody has so long as they are qualified for the job and are looking after everybody as they should be without any favoritism. It seems like a bad message to send that you don't want a white guy period just because he is white. I get that the party should show diversity, but I am not sure if this is the message you want to be sending to people.
 
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Theanine3D

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Henkka said:
Why would a white person be worse at leading the party though

I feel like there's a lot to unpack here
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Life experience and perspective matter. A black person will know issues in the black community better than a white person, because they actually lived it.
 
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Jonm1010

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Arkeband said:
That's kind of what she goes on to say in the following sentence.
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I guess I would want to hear or maybe read a more collected version of her argument.

It is definitely open for some different interpretations and some sentences seem to disagree with the preceding ones.

She asserts we don't need white people running the party, which is a pretty no compromise position but then sort of walks that back and speaks on diversity in the party.

Honesty what I am getting, like from others, is she has a horse in the race and she is coming up with arguments to get people to bet on it. Which is about what you expect at this point in the process.
 
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Lowmelody

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yanipheonu said:
I don't really care what colour their skin is. I just want a good leader for everyone, not just whoever they deem to be worth helping.
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The issue is with folks who wont listen to or accept help from POC. We need to do the exact opposite of what moderates are pushing for and be proud of our brothers and sisters of color and fight for them and beside them everywhere more than ever, not less. Not treat them like merit badges that we only talk about with other liberals because it makes the white supremacist chaff uncomfortable and unlikely to vote for us.
 
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Cipherr

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yanipheonu said:
I don't really care what colour their skin is. I just want a good leader for everyone, not just whoever they deem to be worth helping.
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Same.

Lowmelody said:
The issue is with folks who wont listen to or accept help from POC. We need to do the exact opposite of what moderates are pushing for and be proud of our brothers and sisters of color and fight for them and beside them everywhere more than ever, not less. Not treat them like merit badges that we only talk about with other liberals because it makes the white supremacist chaff uncomfortable and unlikely to vote for us.
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I agree, I just reject the notion that in order to do this we must mandate a certain race for head of DNC. We can manage that with any nationality.
 
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Dark Cloud

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Who cares what color they are? I just want the best damn person who can do the right things for the party and this country.
 
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ginger ninja

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I thought it was bernie sanders.
The underlying argument behind this notion might be right to a certain degree. You would want a minority to represent opposition to Trump. But saying this explicitly just sounds racist, I am sorry. We need focus less on this concept of optics and focus on competency. I remember people saying Hillary should win the nomination because even though bernie is betters, a socialist would never a general election. Look how great that turned out.

The chairman of the DNC should be the most competent person, capable of helping dems win. Thr color of his skin should matter little compared to his character, given how the last two chairs were biased as fuck.

For the record, so far I prefer keith ellison.
 
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Super_Cobra

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Why does this have to be about race? The Democratic Party should be lead by someone that is qualified and cares for the people, regardless of race. To say it doesn't need white people is kinda racist.
 
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Jonm1010

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ginger ninja said:
I thought it was bernie sanders.
The underlying argument behind this notion might be right to a certain degree. You would want a minority to represent opposition to Trump. But saying this explicitly just sounds racist, I am sorry. We need focus less on this concept of optics and focus on competency. I remember people saying Hillary should win the nomination because even though bernie is betters, a socialist would never a general election. Look how great that turned out.

The chairman of the DNC should be the most competent person, capable of helping dems win. Thr color of his skin should matter little compared to his character, given how the last two chairs were biased as fuck.

For the record, so far I prefer keith ellison.
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That is a nice way of putting it, this should be a debate of competency not optics.

Especially when it comes to something like running the party. In a presidential election or legislative race the balance probably shifts and things like optics and charisma are much more important.
 
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Caipirinha

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You guys had a black President and got more of the same neoliberalism and Wall Street exploitation you have for 40 years. Why not vote for policies for once?
 
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VendettaRed07

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This whole summer we spent talking about how Bernie sucked because he was a liberal purity tester and Hillary was great because of her pragmatism. I don't find racially based qualifiers on who is fit to be leading the party to be any better or less short sighted

The party leadership should be more diverse to better reflect the demographic make up of the voters but this takes time. I get the sentiment and I understand how people can be frustrated especially after all the "focus less on civil rights next time" bullshit a certain lot have been saying since the end of the election. But we should look for people who know how to win and can reach out to all the different communities in the country and gain their trust. You don't have to be a certain race to do that. It can help but it isn't necessary. Clinton focused on minority rights as an actual issue during the campaign more than Obama ever did while he was running. So let's look at policy not just people.
 
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ReaperXL7

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Valen said:
Life experience and perspective matter. A black person will know issues in the black community better than a white person, because they actually lived it.
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That's fine and dandy but what life expertise is going to tell a black person how to handle issues faced by Native Americans,Muslims, Asians, the Jewish community or Latinos? If it's a man how would he have any experience for what women deal with or visa Verza? Fact is, finding a candidate who will be able to have experience in what every group of people in this country go through is impossible.
 
legacyzero

legacyzero

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faisal233 said:
Keith is nowhere ready for primetime. I'll say this as a brown skinned muslim, he isn't ready. We need to quit trying to find our perfect checkbox candidate.

I'll be happy with a white guy from Alabama who wins over the most diverse chair who losses.
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Well, if we're gonna put a white-skinned dumbass in the white house, let's fucking go for broke, eh?

DNC needs true progressive, untarnished leadership that isn't going to make the same shit mistakes we did in this election cycle.

I mean, there's always the pro-establishment Howard Dean? /s
 
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dramatis

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ginger ninja said:
I thought it was bernie sanders.
The underlying argument behind this notion might be right to a certain degree. You would want a minority to represent opposition to Trump. But saying this explicitly just sounds racist, I am sorry. We need focus less on this concept of optics and focus on competency. I remember people saying Hillary should win the nomination because even though bernie is betters, a socialist would never a general election. Look how great that turned out.
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I remember people saying Sanders should get the nomination even though Hillary was the democratically elected choice in the primaries.

If you need less focus on optics and more on competency, then Ellison looks extremely poor next to Dean, who has nationwide victories under his belt from 2006 and 2008. In this conversation, Ellison ends up being the optics pick, so it's strange for you to argue against that when in reality, you're going with your optics preference.

I'm not saying we should pick Dean. I just think you should try to fit your own logic before throwing stones.
 
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tuxfool

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Caipirinha said:
You guys had a black President and got more of the same neoliberalism and Wall Street exploitation you have for 40 years. Why not vote for policies for once?
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Unfortunately only a subset of people vote based on policy. Most of the mob votes on gut instinct, as stupid as that is.
 
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CraigerGamer

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Whoever runs the Harry Reid machine in Nevada needs to take over the entire Democratic Party operation. They are the only blue spot in the entire sea of red from top to bottom
 
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BriGuy

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The Democratic party can't afford to double down on identity politics. It needs to broaden its appeal and be as inclusive to as many people in as many walks of life as possible. Like it or not, you're going to need the support of moderates to win elections. "Noble defeats" don't help anyone.
 
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Rumblebones

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Super_Cobra said:
Why does this have to be about race? The Democratic Party should be lead by someone that is qualified and cares for the people, regardless of race. To say it doesn't need white people is kinda racist.
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Rarely do the most qualified candidates actually get the job in any vacancy in life.

You can't leapfrog progression by pretending everyone is playing on a level field. The scales have to be tipped in the right direction to make up for the imbalance that has afforded the privileged class opportunities and advantages for generations.
 
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