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MUnited83
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(12-07-2016, 11:50 PM)
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People have analyzed the last patch for DOOM and it seems Denuvo has been removed. ( http://i.imgur.com/HZQ0aYr.png http://i.imgur.com/M0OiCO6.png ). A bit weird it wasn't referenced on patch notes. But good on Bethesda for doing this hopefully others follow suit.
Rellik
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(12-07-2016, 11:52 PM)
I see this becoming a trend. The whole point of it is to keep the game from being cracked in the initial launch window. After that it doesn't matter to them as much.
wwm0nkey
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(12-07-2016, 11:53 PM)
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So we can finally mod the fuck out of it? YES!

Also doing this at launch and them removing it later is a good idea imo
CambriaRising
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(12-07-2016, 11:54 PM)
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Good. GOOD.
Chacranajxy
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(12-07-2016, 11:54 PM)
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That's cool. Would be even cooler if it went legit DRM-free and came to GOG.
Zemm
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(12-07-2016, 11:54 PM)
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I'd be fine with denuvo if every game removed it after 6 months, let it stop the pirates on release but don't make the consumer suffer long term.
Permanently A
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(12-07-2016, 11:54 PM)
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Brilliant. Protect the initial sales period from pirates and open it up to modding and tweaks later on. Best of both worlds.
epmode
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(12-07-2016, 11:54 PM)
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I'd be much happier about Dunuvo if publishers were more transparent about a guaranteed removal date. I'm willing to accept it at launch if it stops zero day piracy.
Eusis
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(12-07-2016, 11:54 PM)

Originally Posted by wwm0nkey

So we can finally mod the fuck out of it? YES!

Also doing this at launch and them removing it later is a good idea imo

Seriously. This was a sore point with an ID GAME of all games, and we probably won't have good of mod tools as we'd like compared to the past. But at least now something can hopefully be done.

Though I guess the big thing after that is mega textures messing things up? Alas.
Fracas
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(12-07-2016, 11:55 PM)
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Hopefully this doesn't hurt future sales.
Nere
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(12-07-2016, 11:55 PM)
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Can anyone explain why everyone is so happy for its removal? Played and finished Doom don't see what difference it would make.
epmode
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(12-07-2016, 11:56 PM)
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Anyway, this is nice for modding but I'd *really* love to see official mod tools. Snapmap is cool but it doesn't count.

There's always the sequel, I guess.
CambriaRising
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(12-07-2016, 11:56 PM)
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Originally Posted by Nere

Can anyone explain why everyone is so happy for its removal? Played and finished Doom don't see what difference it would make.

Denuvo prevents Mods. It's an anti tamper.
Dunkley
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(12-07-2016, 11:56 PM)
DOOM is the gift to gaming that just keeps on giving.
wwm0nkey
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(12-07-2016, 11:56 PM)
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Originally Posted by Nere

Can anyone explain why everyone is so happy for its removal? Played and finished Doom don't see what difference it would make.

Mods and some people swear it hinders performance (I haven't had that happen)
MUnited83
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(12-07-2016, 11:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by Fracas

Hopefully this doesn't hurt future sales.

It will. And by that I mean that it will sell more.
chillybright
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(12-07-2016, 11:57 PM)
Is Denuvo subscription based or one time fee?
Santar
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(12-07-2016, 11:57 PM)
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Wowsers!! I never dared to dream the dream. I really hope more pc pubs/devs follow this practice. Have Denuvo for a period and then remove it.
ChryZ
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(12-07-2016, 11:58 PM)
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DOOM was my first and only Denuvo'd game. Guess I'm back to zero! Thanks, based id.
Conkerkid11
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(12-07-2016, 11:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by wwm0nkey

Mods and some people swear it hinders performance (I haven't had that happen)

It's just generally been a trend that games with Denuvo run poorly. Probably pure coincidence.
MUnited83
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(12-07-2016, 11:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by Nere

Can anyone explain why everyone is so happy for its removal? Played and finished Doom don't see what difference it would make.

It prevents and limits some kinds of modding. As well as having extremely spotty offline mode, as well as having your game tied to a activation server that will eventually go down and not let you play the game anymore.
epmode
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(12-07-2016, 11:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by Nere

Can anyone explain why everyone is so happy for its removal? Played and finished Doom don't see what difference it would make.

Two things:

Denuvo often prevents user modification of certain important files. Stops piracy but also prevents us from running all sorts of useful mods.

Most Denuvo implementations call home after a patch which adds an unnecessary point of failure and hurts game preservation efforts. What happens when the authentication servers go down and the publisher doesn't want to pay for a patch?
Hentailover
(12-07-2016, 11:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by Fracas

Hopefully this doesn't hurt future sales.

Denuvo for doom has been cracked for a few months already. It hasn't been doing anything but limiting access of legitimate customers for the time being...

Mankind Divided is also cracked already btw, so maybe it should be patched that out of it as well...
2blackcats
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(12-07-2016, 11:59 PM)
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Anyone know what it did in PS4? Just says the 15gig download was bug fixes
wwm0nkey
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(12-07-2016, 11:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by Conkerkid11

It's just generally been a trend that games with Denuvo run poorly. Probably pure coincidence.

I mean I was hitting like well over 140+ FPS on DOOM so maybe its just the way other companies are implementing it?
jrcbandit
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(12-08-2016, 12:00 AM)
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Originally Posted by wwm0nkey

Mods and some people swear it hinders performance (I haven't had that happen)

It doesn't hinder performance, that's just made up BS. Getting rid of Denuvo allows for mods and allows the game to still be played when the Denuvo servers get shut down years from now, benefiting future preservation of games.
Gamezone
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(12-08-2016, 12:00 AM)
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Great news. Denuvo has done it's job at this point.
ViciousDS
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(12-08-2016, 12:01 AM)

Originally Posted by Fracas

Hopefully this doesn't hurt future sales.


Yes......now we going to wait for the Denovo removal patch so we can mod lol. This generation has been an interesting one.
horkrux
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(12-08-2016, 12:02 AM)
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So

I want them benchmarks

Originally Posted by Conkerkid11

It's just generally been a trend that games with Denuvo run poorly. Probably pure coincidence.

Wat. I've played plenty of them and they all ran pretty well. There is always outliers that don't like Just Cause (?).
madjoki
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(12-08-2016, 12:02 AM)
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are we sure Denuvo just didn't improve and make it undetectable with current version?
itxaka
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(12-08-2016, 12:02 AM)
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Fucking A. Protect your frontloaded sales, then let me have the game without relaying on third parties being alive in 15 years. Win-Win.
Tizoc
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(12-08-2016, 12:03 AM)
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Originally Posted by Chacranajxy

That's cool. Would be even cooler if it went legit DRM-free and came to GOG.

Well that happened to inside recently soooomwho knows ;p
Bonus points if mp and sp are separate downloads like cod games
fireflame
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(12-08-2016, 12:03 AM)
If Denuvo is gone for good that is a very good thing.
Zojirushi
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(12-08-2016, 12:03 AM)
It's also downloading 12 GB of stuff right now, wtf? Is this the entire game?
epmode
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(12-08-2016, 12:04 AM)
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Originally Posted by Zojirushi

It's also downloading 12 GB of stuff right now, wtf? Is this the entire game?

It's a multiplayer and snapmap patch. The game is 60+GB as is.
Big_Al
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(12-08-2016, 12:05 AM)
It's pretty cool to see that the new patch adds bots as well to multiplayer. I love that sort of thing.
RazorbackDB
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(12-08-2016, 12:05 AM)
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Not much use for it since it has been cracked.
Mifec
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(12-08-2016, 12:06 AM)
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take this with a grain of salt obv

HoodWinked
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(12-08-2016, 12:06 AM)
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Denuvo overhead is probably negligible unless your system doesnt have enough memory that its being dumped on a pagefile.

but removal of denuvo seems like it did what it was meant to do and slow down the initial piracy window. doom is being sold cheaply on pc now anyways and now removing it so its actually taking away all excuses people would have to pirating it.
Sinatar
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(12-08-2016, 12:07 AM)
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If this is the trend and the way people use Denuvo going forward (protecting launch window sales) then I'm all for it.
itxaka
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(12-08-2016, 12:08 AM)
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Originally Posted by Mifec

take this with a grain of salt obv

Probably lies. It was released on May? and cracked on September, so thats 5 months.
HoodWinked
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(12-08-2016, 12:12 AM)
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Originally Posted by itxaka

Probably lies. It was released on May? and cracked on September, so thats 5 months.

googling and seems like there was a bypass method that circumvented denuvo around the 2.5 month mark for doom.
Zojirushi
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(12-08-2016, 12:12 AM)

Originally Posted by Mifec

take this with a grain of salt obv

High seven figure sums sounds kinda nuts.
Crimsonclaw111
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(12-08-2016, 12:14 AM)
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Oh Mah God here come the mods
Arulan
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(12-08-2016, 12:16 AM)
This is the best-of-both-worlds scenario for DRM. I have a lot of issues with problematic DRM like Denuvo for long-term preservation, modding, and so-on, but if it gets disabled after a few months or a year, then it can accomplish its early piracy deterrent goal while not negatively affecting legit costumers.
Pakkidis
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(12-08-2016, 12:20 AM)

Originally Posted by Zojirushi

High seven figure sums sounds kinda nuts.

I can see Denuvo charging different amounts for different games depending on popularity. Doom being super popular, a million plus, doesn't seem all that unreasonable. I'm sure publishers think they lose a lot more to piracy.
Tagyhag
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(12-08-2016, 12:25 AM)
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Yep, best scenario, have it on if it increases your sales, then remove it down the line for modding and preservation purposes.

Modded DOOM is going to be awesome.
ScientificPizza
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(12-08-2016, 12:26 AM)
give me them mods
Snacks the sober sea lion
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(12-08-2016, 12:27 AM)
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Are there really going to be mods? Is that being optimistic or is it a sure thing without the anti-tamper?
Sinatar
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(12-08-2016, 12:28 AM)
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The pricing I've heard for Denuvo is:

Lump sum model:
  • AAA title (bigger 500k units on PC): 100.000 EUR
  • AA title (smaller 500k units on PC): 50.000 EUR
  • Indie title (less than 100k units on PC): 10.000 EUR
Or

Per unit pricing:
  • 2.500 EUR setup fee.
  • 0,15 EUR per unit reported monthly based on Steam owners.

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