If I had to guess how things probably played out it was probably something like:
> EQD post goes up. People that aren't happy about it post their displeasure and upvote the other ones that didn't like it either.
> Due to people being passionate about it they get a disproportionate amount of visibility even though they make up a very small chunk of the population
> Everyone else responds and points out that it's sad that there's people that are that bothered by it.
> The responses eventually get upvotes and cause the anti-gay posts to be more or less buried.
This kind of stuff happens a lot on places that have upvotes and extremely polarized opinions.
Originally Posted by SigmasonicX
"No true Scotsman" and all, but I can't imagine someone who's a real fan of this show that would get angry about there being gay ponies. But this fandom has always had a history of doing more complaining about people complaining than actually complaining.
EDIT: Just remembered. I rewatched "Cart Before the Pony" (the cart racing episode) today. First of all, it's more entertaining that I remembered. Second, in light of episodes like "Fame and Misfortune", it sort of feels like this episode is talking about the adult fandom and the show, though that might be reading too much into it. But what drove me to make this edit is that at the end of the episode, after mainly sticking to the term "older ponies", Applejack refers to her and the other "older sisters" as "adults". So another bit of proof that the ponies are older than their Dougworld equivalents!
Thing about MLP is that a lot of its inclusivity stuff is hidden behind a metaphor since the characters are ponies rather then humans. The least subtle example I can think of in the show is back in Bridle Gossip where it was extremely obvious that Zecora was an analogue for being from Africa. When I read through some guy who runs a blog called "My Nationalist Pony" the guy dismissed most of the show's morals as just being generic morals that you teach little kids, which leads me to believe that he doesn't take any of them seriously and don't think they apply to him. Since everything is done through a metaphor there's still some plausible deniability that the show isn't REALLY talking about how you should accept people that are different races or have different personalities. Also for what it's worth the show never has actually tackled same-sex relationships before unless you count the extremely implied one between Lyra and Bonbon that they've shown through the series. (In that vein I wasn't really following the fandom at that time but I don't remember there being any outcry about Lyra and Bonbon being gay back when Slice of Life aired) Yeah I would say being homophobic (or being a full-blown White Nationalist) goes against the spirit of what the show stands for, but since the show technically hasn't called out these things directly I guess they just ignore all of the morals that clearly go against what they believe.
Honestly there's a lot of episodes that I watch through in the show and just go "I seriously don't know where all the hate comes from." I recently watched through 28 pranks later and I thought it was pretty funny even though the actual plot was bad. I still like the song in Cart Before the Ponies quite a bit. Think that saying it's a criticism of the fandom is a bit of a stretch, although it's definitely aimed towards older audiences. In the same vein something like Celestial Advice is clearly aimed at an older audience but isn't really directly talking to the fandom.
Also like we needed more proof that the ponies are older characters. I was going to find some picture of Twilight getting super excited over some small detail and compare you two, but I found this
instead and now I've lost interest in the joke.
Originally Posted by DemWalls
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if many shippers actually had not so favorable views on homosexuality. Like, as long as it is a fantasy it's all okay, but when it becomes 'reality' - for lack of a better term - it's just not fun anymore.
I think it's probably a group that didn't really participate in shipping before but didn't really care enough to get worked up about it. (Or they did at one point but have up) And now that it's actually happening in canon they're upset by it. Also I think there's a lot of people that essentially have the thought process of "I'm not against the existence of homosexuals. I just don't want them to exist in any capacity where I would ever have a chance of running into one in real life."
Originally Posted by Double Donut
I just finished the season and came to post my thoughts, but it looks like you already did! And more elegantly than I ever could.
Season seven had so many throwbacks and old characters and really felt like it was tying the universe together. The finale totally took me by surprise, I had no idea that these legends throughout the season were leading up to an interlinked story like season 4. Having Starswirl alone is HUGE, but having these other legends back too that we now know of? This universe is getting so vast, it's really amazing that what was supposed to be a nice little show to teach friendship to little girls has grown into this huge thing.
I'm really excited to see where Starlight (best pony) goes. I assume she's not just gonna be Twilight's subordinate forever. With such powerful magic (she altered one of Starswirl's spells for god's sake!) I can only hope and assume that they've got big plans for her character going forward. Maybe she'll get her own wings someday...
I expect big things from season 8. I would LOVE a Tirek reprise, especially given that season 8 teaser of Tartarus.
Oh, and even if I'm on the "equestria girls does not exist I don't know what you're talking about" side of the fans, I guess it was a little neat seeing the Dazzlings get banished by the legends. Must have been pretty cool for Rainbow Rocks fans.
Thanks for the kind words.
There was a comic series running parallel to this season of the show that showed off all of the legends that were featured in the various episodes this season and there was a bunch of promises that they would tie into the series and the final comic of the series which featured all of them was said to have tied into the finale in some way, so it was kinda given away for me that they would likely play some role in the finale. I wasn't expecting them to bring them to present day though, at least until the plot synopsis said that Starswirl and Co were freed for the second episode. So I did kinda see most of it coming due to all the news about the episode and the comics. Even still it's something that hasn't really been done before and was cool to see.
I read through the original bible for the show and one of the first things that Lauren mentions is that they needed to create an interesting world for the characters to exist in. One of the biggest draws for me in the show is that it took place in a unique and interesting world that merged a lot of traditional fantasy elements with more modern day stuff and some original things thrown in there as well. On top of that the show's writers have created a lot of really fun characters that had a lot more potential then what has been shown off. With the Mane 6 as a whole sort of reaching the end of their own character arcs having mostly fixed their largest personal flaws and achieved their lifelong goals there is the risk of things getting stale. This was one of the bigger problems with season 6 overall. As I said before they did a much better job this season keeping things fresh by taking a lot of the stuff that has always been there (who were AJ's and Rainbow's parents? What do Celestia and Luna do normally? Who really was Starswirl and were there other legends like him?
Why hasn't best character Iron Will made another appearance yet?) and really fleshed it out. And before it was usually several seasons before you actually got to see a continuation of a character's storyline unless they were the Mane 6. Trixie was one of the biggest fan favorites ever since her inception. It took till season 3 to appear a second time and her third wasn't until Season 6. In this season Ember taught Thorax to be assertive and literally two episodes later we're seeing how his character has grown because of it.
I feel like there's been a more fundamental change recently in that the characters that appear in the episodes are being treated as their own separate thing rather then being used as a foil to compare the main characters to. For example Trixie in Boast Busters was largely just intended to be someone to compare Twilight's modesty towards and show the wrong way to show off your abilities. In Magic Duel she's little more then a bitter rival trying to get revenge on Twilight. But in No Second Prances and beyond they've done a much better job at making her feel like a standalone character rather then just existing to play off of one of the main characters and highlight the differences between the two. (A lot of MLP's single episode villains fall under this category such as Suri and Lightning Dust. Their whole purpose is to show how much nicer Rarity is and how Rainbow still cares about others even though she still pushes herself hard) I hope that they can try to do similar things to other characters as well. The one I feel REALLY needs it is Diamond Tiara. She went from being in virtually every CMC episode to essentially being written out of the show after her face turn, largely because I'm guessing no one knows what to do with her now.
My big impression about Starlight back in Celestial Advice is that the show staff were still trying to figure out what to do with her. After all they would have started working on that episode as Season 6 was beginning to air and as such they wouldn't have known what the public reaction to her as a good guy was going to be. They wouldn't want to push her into some super important position only to find out that virtually everyone hated her. (Which obviously isn't the case but it was a possibility) Now that she's gotten some development and people are becoming more accustomed to seeing her they can do whatever they want with her. My big fanfictiony hopes for what they do with her
> Starlight eventually gets her own element some time in the 9th season. This would be after she's had some episodes bonding with the individual members of the mane 6 and have gone on a couple adventures with them so she already feels like a member of the group
> She graduates but stays with Twilight in sort of an advisory/royal magician/bodyguard kind of role.
> She continues her magical training and sort of becomes the next Starswirl the bearded in terms of magical skill. I was actually hoping for this even before seeing the finale. Now that Starswirl actually exists in their timeline he could take her under his wing and teach him.
Although people's tears would be delicious I hope that Starlight doesn't eventually become a princess. That happening would really just make her feel like Twilight 2.0 and she already borrows a lot of things from her without being a princess as well. Being a princess is Twilight's thing and besides they got to keep the pony race balance of 2 of each intact. That being said there was a picture I saw today that ties into this so I have to post it (I feel like Starlight would probably just figure out how to get real wings but how well)
Originally Posted by SigmasonicX
Are there other weird bits of censorship I'm missing?
Edit: To a degree I can understand the change but it's hard to talk about censoring stuff without bringing it up