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Lupin the Third
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(07-07-2017, 07:19 AM)
UPDATE: Someone finally got one over on FamicomWorld and did a great breakdown of it in action:

http://www.famicomworld.com/forum/in...7262#msg177262

Summary of key findings:

Originally Posted by Lupin the Third

Yeah, definitely check out this link, everyone. It even has a detailed test video by the poster:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9iqjHwKU8U

It has a weird latency in the menu that persists for about half the audio loop, then comes back to normal. It also is missing the crazy CRT filter and replaced it with a different scaling/AR option. Great link, I'd been meaning to catch up on that thread. Thanks, PCESlayer.

Also, the user, obirux, tested games for about 5 minutes each and found these quirks:

Mega Man 2 (Missing Sounds/SFX)
Super Mario Bros 2 (Faster Speed)
Super Mario Bros 3 (Faster Speed)

Hooking it up to USB shows an unusable drive/device, and hakchi doesn't work. Who knows how hackable the device will be discovered to be in time.



Recently a GAFer spotted an NES Classic Mini clone from a seller on AliExpress (update: the AliExpress listing has vanished) which more closely resembled a legit NES Classic Mini than others had before, complete with Wii Classic Controller connectors and Micro-USB inputs. AliBaba has similar listings, but for ones with legit-looking NES Classic boxes included. Now those versions appear to have made their way to eBay. Here's some photos taken from a listing by an eBay seller with only 1 feedback:

Box looks good.

Huh. Logo looks kinda crooked, and the grey color looks a little more tan than expected (could be lighting, though).

Made in China, just like the official ones, okay.

Why are there prominent extra ridges around the A+B button squares?
And that Nintendo logo looks a little rough. Let's check out how it compares to the official...

Yeah, the Nintendo logo looks way cleaner and more accurate on the official controller.

Here's the real kicker, though. Check out the menu:

Looks legit at a glance. But compared with the official, note the following telltale differences:
- Game title font size is smaller
- Different spacing above the icons at the top
- 1P/2P boxes use a different pixel-font.
- Font on SELECT and START button icons is different
- 5 full game boxes are visible at once instead of only 4 with 2 cut-off on the sides.

Screengrab of the Official NES Classic Mini's menu:

Anyway, just be aware. If you're still in the market for an NES Classic Mini and stumble across these as either US or European units, and the price seems too good to be true...it might be!

Now someone do a teardown and performance comparison please

UPDATE:
I found a couple of videos of the device in action linked on what looks like a Spanish-speaking forum:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3hdFn-I-eA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9x6LUNNELY[/QUOTE]

Note the first video claims it used the "kachikachi" emulator, which is the name of the emulator used in the NES Classic.
RadioJoNES64
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(07-07-2017, 07:20 AM)
Seems like a good imitation. If the emulation is actually decent I wouldn't mind having one.

At least it's not this.
LycanXIII
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(07-07-2017, 07:20 AM)
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Nintendo's own fault.
Atheerios
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(07-07-2017, 07:21 AM)
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Well if Nintendo doesn't want to give us one...
Mango Madness
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(07-07-2017, 07:22 AM)
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Interesting. Would love to know how the button-feel and emulation compares to the real thing.

There are some real crappy NES Classic look-alikes with composite inputs (no HDMI). This looks hella better than those.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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(07-07-2017, 07:23 AM)
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This is like trying to tell the difference between real and fake jordans
SinCityAssassin
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(07-07-2017, 07:23 AM)
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I like how the fake one looks like the aged plastic.
FinaruDensetsu
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(07-07-2017, 07:25 AM)

Originally Posted by SinCityAssassin

I like how the fake one looks like the aged plastic.

Yeah in a way it's actually more authentic than the genuine one.
Shiggy
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(07-07-2017, 07:26 AM)
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The box looks pretty much like the real one, I don't see anything wrong with the seal of quality there.
ubiblu
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(07-07-2017, 07:27 AM)
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If it plays as well as the original, cool. I don't see a drama with providing imitation supply where the genuine article can't be procured.

However, at this stage, if you have any remote interest in something that lacks the official Nintendo seal, a retropie setup with an image from Arcade Punks is an infinitely better value for money proposition.

Hell, I have a NES Mini and pre-ordered a SNES Mini, but still rock an amazing retropie 3 with all NES/SNES/MS/MD/GBA/PSX/NeoGeo/Arcade games. One I take with me everywhere, the others just look/will look nice next to my tv.
Lupin the Third
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(07-07-2017, 07:27 AM)
By the by, the listing on AliExpress selling them is asking more than the NES Classic MSRP (~$75), so unless these things have something amazing under the hood, these are definitely being inflated to take advantage of the thirsty market conditions.

I don't know how easy this version will be to modify and replace the on-board games to match your own cart library, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's an easy modification. I would wait for a hands-on before trying to acquire one as an emulation machine.

Originally Posted by Shiggy

The box looks pretty much like the real one, I don't see anything wrong with the seal of quality there.

On closer inspection, you are right. It looked worse to me at a glance.
ST2K
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(07-07-2017, 07:29 AM)
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This... seems like a good enough knock-off to be worth it? Assuming you are actually going to use it and not just have it sit on a shelf.
LQX
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(07-07-2017, 07:30 AM)
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Yeah, been seeing a bunch of those UK box editions on Ebay shipping to the US and thought it was strange.

Meh, Nintendo really fucked over many that really wanted this thing so I'm not sure we can fault anyone for buying it, but I would hope they at least know it is "fake".
Lupin the Third
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(07-07-2017, 07:31 AM)

Originally Posted by LQX

Yeah, been seeing a bunch of those UK box editions on Ebay shipping to the US and thought it was strange.

To be clear, the group making these advertises that they have a USA-Box version available, so you can't use that as a giveaway.
SonicMegaDrive
(07-07-2017, 07:35 AM)
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Pretty cool, as long as they're only charging 20 bucks.
Lupin the Third
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(07-07-2017, 07:38 AM)

Originally Posted by SonicMegaDrive

Pretty cool, as long as they're only charging 20 bucks.

Would definitely be great! But it's like $75 minimum.
John Caboose
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(07-07-2017, 07:45 AM)
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Looks very difficult to tell the boxes apart. The game art interface is the most obvious tell but that requires booting it...
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(07-07-2017, 07:45 AM)
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Licensing and legality issues aside - you know you fucked up when cheap chinese knockoffs manage to match all of the "real" product's functionality and quality :lol


If it looks like the real thing and plays like the real thing... I mean, it is illegal, but they are serving a starving market here. Supply and demand, capitalism at work.
ktroopa
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(07-07-2017, 07:46 AM)
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Wellthereitis.gif

Originally Posted by RadioJoNES64

Seems like a good imitation. If the emulation is actually decent I wouldn't mind having one.

At least it's not this.

I remember seeing a bootleg game called "Dick Dug" in a 500 in 1 NES compilation bootleg console.

Imagine Dig Dug but replace it with dicks. lol
TSM
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(07-07-2017, 07:54 AM)
I'd imagine these guys will have snes classics available to buy before Nintendo even launches them. Good luck to anyone buying either of them on ebay.
EloquentM
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(07-07-2017, 07:57 AM)
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If Nintendonít...
sixteen-bit
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(07-07-2017, 01:16 PM)

Originally Posted by EloquentM

If Nintendon’t...

Pirates will

Originally Posted by TSM

I'd imagine these guys will have snes classics available to buy before Nintendo even launches them. Good luck to anyone buying either of them on ebay.

Yep. Count on it.
Hasney
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(07-07-2017, 01:18 PM)
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Thanks for the warning, I might pick one up.
friskykillface
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(07-07-2017, 01:22 PM)
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Looks pretty good for a knock off
Thought it'd have like stupid games found in other plug in play systems

I'd buy this since Nintendo stopped making their classic system
entremet
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(07-07-2017, 01:26 PM)
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Nintendo, the company pirates and scalpers adore lol.
Empyrean Heaven
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(07-07-2017, 01:28 PM)
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Hey, if it works, I might jump on this.
JohnSpartanLee
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(07-07-2017, 01:30 PM)
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Maybe this one has less input lag than the official version.
Booker.DeWitt
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(07-07-2017, 01:30 PM)
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wow, any hands on ?? I might get one
Juke Joint Jezebel
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(07-07-2017, 01:32 PM)
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Warning? More like "Hey Nintendo did a shit job making sure people could get this thing, pick this copy up instead, it's pretty good!"
sixteen-bit
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(07-07-2017, 01:32 PM)

Originally Posted by JohnSpartanLee

Maybe this one has less input lag than the official version.

I would lol if pirates offer the better experience.
Fularu
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(07-07-2017, 01:32 PM)
I could be wrong but on the real classic, when you're at either ends of the game lists, you see 5 boxes.

But I could be remembering it wrong
Booker.DeWitt
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(07-07-2017, 01:36 PM)
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I can't find the seller on aliexpress. can somebody post a link ?
Lupin the Third
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(07-07-2017, 01:42 PM)

Originally Posted by Booker.DeWitt

I can't find the seller on aliexpress. can somebody post a link ?

The listing linked in the other GAF thread has been taken down, but the AliBaba one may still be up (their minimum order qty was surprisingly only 1). I'm on mobile or I'd verify.

I'm not thrilled about the game piracy aspect or how this will affect the collector's market, which is why this thread has a warning tone. But if it's any good, I still want one (I actually lucked out and scored an NES Classic proper so it would just be redundant ROMs for me). So if anyone would give a review on it and/or attempt modifying it, I'd love to see a thorough breakdown.
JohnSpartanLee
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(07-07-2017, 01:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by sixteen-bit

I would lol if pirates offer the better experience.

That'd be hilarious. But it wouldn't surprise me.
Gamezone
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(07-07-2017, 01:44 PM)
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If it's working, why not? Not sure if it's illegal to sell those.
shira
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(07-07-2017, 01:47 PM)
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Good snes controllers are worth every penny

I'll take nintendo
udivision
(07-07-2017, 01:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by Gamezone

If it's working, why not? Not sure if it's illegal to sell those.

I guess its illegal to sell those roms... Dont think the company has the digital rights to those games or w/e.
Booker.DeWitt
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(07-07-2017, 01:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by Lupin the Third

The listing linked in the other GAF thread has been taken down, but the AliBaba one may still be up (their minimum order qty was surprisingly only 1). I'm on mobile or I'd verify.

I'm not thrilled about the game piracy aspect or how this will affect the collector's market, which is why this thread has a warning tone. But if it's any good, I still want one (I actually lucked out and scored an NES Classic proper so it would just be redundant ROMs for me). So if anyone would give a review on it and/or attempt modifying it, I'd love to see a thorough breakdown.

can you post the link?

ps: I found it

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detai...115.155.12fRcq
sixteen-bit
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(07-07-2017, 01:58 PM)

Originally Posted by udivision

I guess its illegal to sell those roms... Dont think the company has the digital rights to those games or w/e.

plus the copyright infringement on the design would be a problem
JohnSpartanLee
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(07-07-2017, 01:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by shira

Good snes controllers are worth every penny

I'll take nintendo

Who knows - this might be done by the same Chinese factory that produced the originals for Nintendo...
Lupin the Third
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(07-07-2017, 03:14 PM)
Found some video of the device in action. Weird boot-up screen but it uses the same menu music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3hdFn-I-eA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9x6LUNNELY
Chesskid1
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(07-07-2017, 03:16 PM)
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imagine if china releases the SNES mini knockoff before it even officially releases

they are going to make so much money
Lupin the Third
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(07-07-2017, 03:21 PM)

Originally Posted by Chesskid1

imagine if china releases the SNES mini knockoff before it even officially releases

they are going to make so much money

I think they would have a harder time finding venues to sell it at if they put it out before Nintendo's. Nintendo probably won't be so active squashing these NES units since the original is now out of production.
Teh Lurv
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(07-07-2017, 03:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by Lupin the Third


Looks legit at a glance. But compared with the official, note the following telltale differences:
- Game title font size is smaller
- Different spacing above the icons at the top
- 1P/2P boxes use a different pixel-font.
- Font on SELECT and STAR button icons is different
- 5 full game boxes are visible at once instead of only 4 with 2 cut-off on the sides.

I find it weird the software would be any different at all from the real NES mini. Hardware differences I can understand (cutting corners, different factories & materials), but if their goal was a knockoff, shouldn't the software be a 1:1 rip from a real unit?
KingSlime
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(07-07-2017, 03:22 PM)
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Very curious to see impressions of how this plays.
Ahasverus
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(07-07-2017, 03:22 PM)
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I mean, if it works, it works.
Sucks for Nintendo, but not collectors won't really care
Marcel
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(07-07-2017, 03:25 PM)
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Hard to feel bad for Nintendo about this. If they're not going to provide it themselves then bootleg/knockoff manufacturers will take up that demand instead.
nycgamer4ever
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(07-07-2017, 03:26 PM)
Nintendo's own fault. They don't want to make the money then someone else will at Nintendo's expense. If this works like the official one then why not. It's the only way to get one without paying scalper prices, which is a tragedy.
old manatee
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(07-07-2017, 03:28 PM)
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Wow, maybe I can actually buy one of these.

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