• Register
  • TOS
  • Privacy
  • @NeoGAF
  • Like

kulapik
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:13 PM)
kulapik's Avatar
At a preview event for Metroid: Samus Returns, Nintendo finally clarified amiibo support for the game, especially with regards to how Hard Mode will work in the game. As it turns out, this probably was a case where better communication could have cleared up the whole problem.

Here's the lowdown of what Nintendo told USgamer. When I asked Nintendo representatives at the preview event if hard mode was locked behind amiibos, they were clear to make the distinction. "Fusion Mode," they corrected me. Yes, Fusion Mode—which will give players access to Samus' Fusion Suit as well as a more challenging difficulty in the game—is indeed locked behind the Metroid amiibo. This content will not be offered as a separate DLC in Nintendo's digital eShop. However, there will be a standard hard mode that will be unlockable once players complete the game on regular difficulty. This mode, which is confusingly separate from the Fusion Mode's own harder difficulty, won't be locked behind any amiibo.

It was previously reported that an amiibo tie-in for Metroid: Samus Returns will unlock hard mode for the game. In fact, purchasing the amiibo would be the only way for players to access the Fusion Mode content, making it a mandatory accessory if players wanted to access everything Samus Returns has to offer. This is still the case, only Nintendo failed to explain that the Fusion Mode difficulty is separate from a standard Hard Mode. Nintendo's reluctance to clarify the matter, simply pointing media outlets to the vague Facebook post, certainly didn't help assuage worries about how fans could only access the game's full content by purchasing the amiibo set.

In our preview of Samus Returns, we mentioned that amiibo support for the game is completely optional, which is still technically true. However, it's also technically true that there are bonuses in the game, from image galleries to the aforementioned Fusion Mode which can only be accessed via amiibo support. So if you really do want to see everything Samus Returns has to offer, you will have to pick up some amiibo to go with it. Luckily, the amiibo aren't tied to any specific account, so you could just borrow your friend's amiibo to unlock the content in your copy of Samus Returns if you're so inclined.

http://www.usgamer.net/articles/nint...bo-controversy
13ruce
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:14 PM)
13ruce's Avatar
Good news this should calm down people alot.

Edit: don't take this one seriously anymore yeah it was a dumb comment lol i acknowledge that. I am against lockin of significant content behind Amiibo's too.
Last edited by 13ruce; 08-08-2017 at 08:56 PM.
wild wild rice
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:15 PM)
wild wild rice's Avatar

Originally Posted by 13ruce

Good news this should calm down people alot.

Ha no it won't.

Edit: see?
Last edited by wild wild rice; 08-08-2017 at 01:20 PM.
BY2K
Membero Americo
(08-08-2017, 01:15 PM)
BY2K's Avatar
So Fusion Mode is even harder than Hard Mode?

God damn it.
The Last One
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:15 PM)
The Last One's Avatar

Originally Posted by 13ruce

Good news this should calm down people alot.

It will not. It's the same bullshit.
faint.
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:16 PM)
faint.'s Avatar
People thought fusion mode was hard mode? I was hoping for a different kind of statement...
Zombine
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:16 PM)
Zombine's Avatar
It's still the fact that I can't just walk into the store and buy those Amiibo easily that pisses me off.
J@hranimo
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:16 PM)
J@hranimo's Avatar

Originally Posted by 13ruce

Good news this should calm down people alot.

Are you sure?

At least there is a hard mode in the game already. Nice.
Acquiescence
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:16 PM)
Acquiescence's Avatar
So hard mode can be unlocked through standard means, but extra hard mode is locked behind Amiibos. Gotcha.
GhostTrick
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:16 PM)
GhostTrick's Avatar

Originally Posted by 13ruce

Good news this should calm down people alot.



What good news ? That Nintendo locked a costume and difficulty behind a 15 dollars toy ?
Berordn
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:16 PM)
Berordn's Avatar

Originally Posted by BY2K

So Fusion Mode is even harder than Hard Mode?

God damn it.

I'm not seeing where they say that? They don't really note any differences outside of one of them features the Fusion suit.
13ruce
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:16 PM)
13ruce's Avatar

Originally Posted by The Last One

It will not. It's the same bullshit.

Alot of peeps kept saying in that thread they would be fine if there was a normal hard mode, so it's not the worst situation like we all expected before.
takriel
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:17 PM)
takriel's Avatar
So fusion mode = regular hard mode with fusion suit. Gotcha.
Calm Mind
Banned
(08-08-2017, 01:17 PM)

Originally Posted by BY2K

So Fusion Mode is even harder than Hard Mode?

God damn it.

diaspora
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:17 PM)
diaspora's Avatar

Originally Posted by GhostTrick

What good news ? That Nintendo locked a costume and difficulty behind a 15 dollars toy ?

The difficulty is available after beating the game.
SatoAilDarko
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:17 PM)
SatoAilDarko's Avatar
So Fusion Mode is just Hard Mode with the Fusion Suit? So it's just cosmetic?
chaobreaker
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:17 PM)
chaobreaker's Avatar

Originally Posted by 13ruce

Good news this should calm down people alot.

I mean I'm not clamouring to get an image gallery but if Fusion mode is just distinct enough from the unlockable hard mode then it's still a pretty shitty thing to make an Amiibo exclusive.
Yukinari
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:17 PM)
Yukinari's Avatar
I dont think any difficulty mode period should be locked behind an amiibo but if people really wanted to make this stop then you wouldnt be preordering the amiibo in the first place.

I will buy the game and download the amiibo i want and business goes on as usual.
Ridley327
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:17 PM)
Ridley327's Avatar
So, in other words, there's a hard mode you unlock in the game itself via normal means, but Fusion mode still requires the Metroid Amiibo and is more challenging than that mode (I'm guessing you take even more damage?)
BitStyle
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:18 PM)
BitStyle's Avatar
Still not addressing the problem. Fusion mode is different from the standard hard mode.

Edit: I mean, if the only difference between hard and fusion is the suit, okay, but they haven't even cleared that up.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:18 PM)
Brawly Likes to Brawl's Avatar

Originally Posted by BY2K

So Fusion Mode is even harder than Hard Mode?

God damn it.

Maybe the only difference is that Fusion Mode includes the suit? They still aren't being clear enough.
Maximo
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:18 PM)
Maximo's Avatar

Originally Posted by 13ruce

Good news this should calm down people alot.

Why it's still a difficulty taken out of the game locked behind a piece of plastic, doesn't matter what they call it.
AEREC
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:18 PM)
AEREC's Avatar

Originally Posted by 13ruce

Good news this should calm down people alot.

Not really...there's still a mode locked behind amiibo.
Astral/H3X
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:18 PM)
Astral/H3X's Avatar
Yeah I'm not seeing any blurb where Fusion Mode is any harder or different aside from having Fusion Suit.

Unless maybe it adds in X, and that adds difficulty? Iunno.
BY2K
Membero Americo
(08-08-2017, 01:18 PM)
BY2K's Avatar

Originally Posted by Berordn

I'm not seeing where they say that? They don't really note any differences outside of one of them features the Fusion suit.

This

which will give players access to Samus' Fusion Suit as well as a more challenging difficulty in the game

and this

only Nintendo failed to explain that the Fusion Mode difficulty is separate from a standard Hard Mode

Seems to imply Fusion Mode is harder than Hard Mode.
Guymelef
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:18 PM)
Guymelef's Avatar
Addresses? Don't think so...
It's the fucking same.
Aostia
El Capitan Todd
(08-08-2017, 01:18 PM)
Aostia's Avatar

Originally Posted by Acquiescence

So hard mode can be unlocked through standard means, but extra hard mode is locked behind Amiibos. Gotcha.


So, as usual, a content that would have never been developed without amiibo will be amiibo based
While the usual contents will be accessible

Or someone really thinks wolf link would have been added to botw without the existence of the related amiibo?
BGBW
Maturity, bitches.
(08-08-2017, 01:19 PM)
BGBW's Avatar
I'm reading it as hard mode with the Fusion Suit vs hard mode without bonus suit.
LordRaptor
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:19 PM)
LordRaptor's Avatar
Hey, people mad that super-extra-hard mode is locked behind a plastic toy, here's how to unlock your own super hard mode for free:
don't collect energy tanks

you're welcome
AdventureMike
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:19 PM)
AdventureMike's Avatar

Originally Posted by GhostTrick

What good news ? That Nintendo locked a costume and difficulty behind a 15 dollars toy ?

That will be undoubtedly more than $15 when you have to hope to get it from some scalper because Nintendo doesn't know the meaning of keeping a product stocked.
Balb
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:19 PM)
Balb's Avatar
The idea that this will forever be tied to an amiibo is ridiculous.
GhostTrick
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:20 PM)
GhostTrick's Avatar

Originally Posted by diaspora

The difficulty is available after beating the game.


After beating the game if you own the amiibo.



Originally Posted by LordRaptor

Hey, people mad that super-extra-hard mode is locked behind a plastic toy, here's how to unlock your own super hard mode for free:
don't collect energy tanks

you're welcome



Next time in ridiculous statements: "This game isn't easy if you play it with your eyes closed".



Originally Posted by Aostia

So, as usual, a content that would have never been developed without amiibo will be amiibo based
While the usual contents will be accessible

Or someone really thinks wolf link would have been added to botw without the existence of the related amiibo?



Yes, Nintendo never made any unlockables before. Come on, this is ridiculous.
Spukc
Banned
(08-08-2017, 01:20 PM)

Originally Posted by 13ruce

Good news this should calm down people alot.

Trust me on this people will always find a way to complain 😉
The Last One
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:20 PM)
The Last One's Avatar

Originally Posted by LordRaptor

Hey, people mad that super-extra-hard mode is locked behind a plastic toy, here's how to unlock your own super hard mode for free:
don't collect energy tanks

you're welcome

KingBroly
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:20 PM)
KingBroly's Avatar
Easy Mode
Normal Mode
Hard Mode (Unlocked after beating the game)
Fusion Mode (Unlocked after beating the game AND using an amiibo)

The Gallery being locked behind an amiibo pisses me off more since that was the initial point in speedrunning Zero Mission in various ways, different artwork.
Nitpicker_Red
Junior Member
(08-08-2017, 01:21 PM)
Nitpicker_Red's Avatar
That shows how the PR side that made the page can be disconnected from what details people actually care and will pick out.

So Fusion Suit is literally Samus with a Metroid skin? (double-entendre)
Last edited by Nitpicker_Red; 08-08-2017 at 01:25 PM.
diaspora
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:22 PM)
diaspora's Avatar

Originally Posted by GhostTrick

After beating the game if you own the amiibo.

No, just after beating the game.
cyba89
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:22 PM)
cyba89's Avatar

Originally Posted by takriel

So fusion mode = regular hard mode with fusion suit. Gotcha.

I don't think that's what it says. To me it reads like Fusion mode difficulty is harder than regular hard mode.

They just managed to confuse people even more with this statement.
Marcel
Banned
(08-08-2017, 01:22 PM)
I mean, that doesn't really do anything to address the point that it's still game content locked behind a physical item with limited stock. If Nintendo eventually offered the option to unlock it as digital DLC later there would be no problem here.
radcliff
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:22 PM)
radcliff's Avatar

Originally Posted by takriel

So fusion mode = regular hard mode with fusion suit. Gotcha.

This is how I interpret it. I think "as well as a more challenging difficulty in the game" is in relation to normal difficulty mode, not the standard hard mode.
Rncewind
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:22 PM)

Originally Posted by LordRaptor

Hey, people mad that super-extra-hard mode is locked behind a plastic toy, here's how to unlock your own super hard mode for free:
don't collect energy tanks

you're welcome


how to not make silly post:

stop being attached to a company emotionaly.

glad to help
ironmang
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:22 PM)
ironmang's Avatar
Everything about this is lame. Locking difficulties behind DLC, having the way to access that DLC potentially limited and costlier than MSRP, and needing to own this plastic junk to have access. Has to be the worst DLC model by far.
Gestault
Junior Member
(08-08-2017, 01:23 PM)
Gestault's Avatar
What fucking boneheaded communication. It's mostly good news though. Having a costume unlock for a hard-mode run from the matching Amiibo is totally legit, in my book. The answer (sadly enough) still leaves it up in the air whether the Amiibo mode is harder than normal or harder than hard. I swear there has to be a language barrier here, because no one is that stupid during a clarification of a clarification.

The original question is EXACTLY what Klepek was trying to address to Nintendo's own benefit, but the official PR contact told him to go back to that Facebook page for info (which had none) rather than taking ten minutes to ask internally and then get back to him. A lot of us assumed the "normal" hard mode was still present, but Nintendo's apparently too stupid to answer a simple question about their product. When others asked again during that second round of inquiries, and they specifically provided the wrong information.

Edit: Any benfit of the doubt seems to be misplaced:

Originally Posted by LeonSPBR

Just watched the preview of the game on the gamexplain channel and they said fusion mode is an harder difficulty than hard mode. So yeah we're still getting fucked.

This company is a clown car.
Seik
something about preservation I guess
(08-08-2017, 01:24 PM)
Seik's Avatar
I don't mind, honestly.

Hard Mode will probably be hard enough for me. Having anything over 'normal' mode locked would have been shit, though.
Feffe
Junior Member
(08-08-2017, 01:24 PM)
Feffe's Avatar
So at the end everybody was jumping to conclusions and I and the other four or five people telling to calm down and waiting for more details were right.

:)
Sgt.Pepper
remove your tag from my GAF account
(08-08-2017, 01:24 PM)
Sgt.Pepper's Avatar
Lol what did I say. They never called fusion, hard mode.
GhostTrick
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:26 PM)
GhostTrick's Avatar

Originally Posted by diaspora

No, just after beating the game.

Yes, Fusion Mode—which will give players access to Samus' Fusion Suit as well as a more challenging difficulty in the game—is indeed locked behind the Metroid amiibo. This content will not be offered as a separate DLC in Nintendo's digital eShop. However, there will be a standard hard mode that will be unlockable once players complete the game on regular difficulty. This mode, which is confusingly separate from the Fusion Mode's own harder difficulty, won't be locked behind any amiibo.


No, you need the Amiibo.
BBboy20
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:27 PM)
BBboy20's Avatar
Once again, something inside the game will be locked away forever unless you hack it or they actually keep producing those Metroid amiibos forever.
Somnid
Member
(08-08-2017, 01:27 PM)
Somnid's Avatar
Yeah I figured it was something like that. Fusion Mode is some sort of alternative mode (that also happens to be harder than the base game). Amiiboless speedrunners will still take issue.
Gestault
Junior Member
(08-08-2017, 01:27 PM)
Gestault's Avatar

Originally Posted by Feffe

So at the end everybody was jumping to conclusions and I and the other four or five people telling to calm down and waiting for more details were right.

:)

It wasn't an issue of people jumping to conclusions; it was incorrect (or obtusely incomplete) information being given through official channels, repeatedly, and even at early stages effectively refusing to respond to well-meaning questions for clarification.

Thread Tools