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Jawmuncher
(08-08-2017, 06:05 PM)
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Apparently the MvC Esports video was made public instead of private a few hours ago. Allowing for a more inside look into the inner workings of how tournament setup and budgeting goes. Along with a look at estimated profits.

From the video here the big takeaways (to me) were
- Top 14 on the leaderboards can go to the Capcom Cup (Most likely only PS4 players)
- 300K is the cost for the Esports centric MVC DLC (Stage and Costumes)
- Capcom US is sharing basically everything related to MVC with marvel as well as Capcom Japan
-Capcom is at least trying to go in big for this first season and hopefully it lends itself well to future events like SFV









Mirror of the video (Original has been taken down)

Originally Posted by DryEyeRelief

Marvel vs Capcom Infinite Esports Proposal For Distribution

enzo_gt
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(08-08-2017, 06:07 PM)
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Just to be clear, the DLC budget is only for CPT/promotion-related DLC.

EDIT: Might as well copy+paste my thoughts:

Originally Posted by enzo_gt

This is interesting to watch.

Seem like they have really serious eSport aspirations with this game, which was a concern people (including me) had given people thinking it might be focused solely for a casual audience given the story focus.

There's a LOT of support for events in there. Seems like Capcom is even further ahead of their competitors than we thought when it comes to supporting the community. They're throwing tens of thousands of dollars of equipment, DLC, etc. support for TOs.

Gunslinger
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(08-08-2017, 06:11 PM)
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I hope they find success. Looks like they are doubling down for esports even harder than SFV. I hope they complete the game at least before going all out esports at release....
RecRoulette
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(08-08-2017, 06:12 PM)
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So what happens if the netcode for Marvel is shit? That's an insane gamble they're making.
JayEH
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(08-08-2017, 06:12 PM)
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Online going to be the most ruthless it's ever been.
lucebuce12
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(08-08-2017, 06:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by RecRoulette

So what happens if the netcode for Marvel is shit?

Everybody will Rise Up.

MvC:I is confirmed to use the SFV netcode.
The Lone Dragon
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(08-08-2017, 06:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by enzo_gt

This is interesting to watch.

Seem like they have really serious eSport aspirations with this game, which was a concern people (including me) had given people thinking it might be focused solely for a casual audience given the story focus.

There's a LOT of support for events in there. Seems like Capcom is even further ahead of their competitors than we thought when it comes to supporting the community. They're throwing tens of thousands of dollars of equipment, DLC, etc. support for TOs.

This right when Korean Tekken fans are complaining that Namco doesn't support them enough:
https://twitter.com/Flying_Wonkey/st...10460698521600
https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comm...namco_for_not/

People REALLY don't appreciate what Capcom is doing (has been doing for years) for the FGC. These pro tours are mad expensive to run, and they provide so much entertainment and support for players and viewers. There's a reason no other FGC company does a pro tour as widespread and in depth.
BronsonLee
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(08-08-2017, 06:14 PM)
I KNEW Jaw was the leaker.
tbm24
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(08-08-2017, 06:14 PM)
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Weird for this to leak but looks really cool. High stakes marvel I'd always the best.
The12thGripper
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(08-08-2017, 06:15 PM)
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Does Hungrybox play Marvel? I thought he played Melee competitively lol
Neoxon
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(08-08-2017, 06:16 PM)
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So they're doing something similar to the CPT Premier Pack for MvCI. It also lines up with the old rumors of there being a separate league in terms of timing.

That said, I'm surprised that Marvel let Capcom show X-Men from earlier games in the video.
kirblar
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(08-08-2017, 06:18 PM)
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CPT not being a money-loser was surprising to me, coming from MTG (where the PT is an important money sink that provides a backbone to the game.) That's great for Capcom, because the CPT is an important marketing/promotional tool for them.

I doubt the qualifier system stays the same for Season 2, this reeks of "Literally unable to do this any other way because of late Q3 release date.

$300K for the CPT DLC packs (1 Stage, 3 Costumes) is nice to have as a baseline cost for how much these things cost to make. ($75K per stage/costume)

That said, I'm surprised that Marvel let Capcom show X-Men from earlier games in the video.

It's an internal pitch video. I don't think they'd need permission.
Skilletor
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(08-08-2017, 06:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by Neoxon

So they're doing something similar to the CPT Premier Pack for MvCI. It also lines up with the old rumors of there being a separate league.

That said, I'm surprised that Marvel let Capcom show X-Men from earlier games in the video.

I mean...this isn't for public consumption.
Killa Sasa
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(08-08-2017, 06:19 PM)
Here's hoping they have a rage quitter hell built in already. Should be the case if they're already basing it off SFV's.

Just to quote myself:

Originally Posted by Killa Sasa

Honestly, without the financials and maybe a little less detail on some things public shouldn't be privy to, this would actually make a good promo video for "hey, we're gonna support this game" to battle some of the wild accusations out there. Once/if proposals are actually finalized, that is.

Could be really really cool. Here's wishing them luck. Game is looking like a lot of fun to boot.
Nyoro SF
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(08-08-2017, 06:20 PM)
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If they do CPT qualification by leaderboards, you better have the best rollback netcode money can offer, Capcom. With numerical ping indicators and the ability to region lock your searches.
lucebuce12
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(08-08-2017, 06:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by Nyoro SF

If they do CPT qualification by leaderboards, you better have the best rollback netcode money can offer, Capcom. With numerical ping indicators and the ability to region lock your searches.

They're using SFV netcode, it's already been announced.
Mesoian
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(08-08-2017, 06:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by lucebuce12

Everybody will Rise Up.

MvC:I is confirmed to use the SFV netcode.

So 5 star matches only and pray to god. Got it.
Nirolak
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(08-08-2017, 06:23 PM)
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I don't get why Capcom USA and Capcom Japan operate as separate entities.
FinKL
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(08-08-2017, 06:23 PM)
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This is a pretty big leak I would think. The public isn't supposed to see this, but this is pretty cool to see.

Disney XD x Marvel!

What's surprising is that the payout for Capcom USA is ~300k? I guess not bad, but still that seems low and millions are thrown around for DOTA for the players
JayEH
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(08-08-2017, 06:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by Nirolak

I don't get why Capcom USA and Capcom Japan operate as separate entities.

So this is uncommon for Japanese foreign branches?
Neonep
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(08-08-2017, 06:24 PM)
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They should have taken some of that money they are using for esports and put it towards making a better product.
MechaX
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(08-08-2017, 06:25 PM)
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Originally Posted by JayEH

So this is uncommon for Japanese foreign branches?

At least we are not at Sega Japan vs Sega America degrees of separation yet.
Sigmaah
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(08-08-2017, 06:25 PM)
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Ayeeee we lit!

This game not gonna fail unless the players make it fail. We got a future for mvc.

LET'S TAKE THE ADVANTAGE.
RecRoulette
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(08-08-2017, 06:26 PM)
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At work so can't watch the video, but what's this about?

Originally Posted by @MrWiz

This leaked video does not represent Evo’s views and we were not consulted beforehand about the video. Footage was used without our consent.

pizzacat
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(08-08-2017, 06:27 PM)
theres so many mistakes in this video from using wrong models to placing characters that wasnt in those legacy games

but the worst one is showing footage of a hacked version of sfv

also where are they getting these stats for the 2nd half of the video

how good is netcode if theyre letting top 16 in

so many questions lol

also this seems super soulless like this project altogether but whatevs its for investors right?
Zero-ELEC
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(08-08-2017, 06:27 PM)

Originally Posted by Zero-ELEC

Oh, it is gonna be part of the CPT.
"Exclusive eSports centric in-game items" how about pls don't?

.

Originally Posted by Sigmaah

Ayeeee we lit!

This game not gonna fail unless the players make it fail. We got a future for mvc.

LET'S TAKE THE ADVANTAGE.

If it were to fail, it wouldn't be the players responsibility. Players wouldn't 'make it fail'.
Nyoro SF
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(08-08-2017, 06:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by Nirolak

I don't get why Capcom USA and Capcom Japan operate as separate entities.

As far as I know, every single Japanese - USA company branch split works this way. It's kind of weird.

At least I know Marvelous, Atlus, Capcom, Sega, they all treat each other as separate entities, they don't move under the same umbrella of actions.

Originally Posted by lucebuce12

They're using SFV netcode, it's already been announced.

SFV netcode is fine, but the matchmaking is absolutely awful, and the bar-system is useless for determining connection quality, resulting in me being paired up with people with bad or far-away connections. Compare the matchmaking to Skullgirls and it's like a night and day difference.
lucebuce12
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(08-08-2017, 06:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by pizzacat

how good is netcode if theyre letting top 16 in

They've said that MvC:I will use SFV netcode so take that for what you will.
tbm24
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(08-08-2017, 06:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by RecRoulette

At work so can't watch the video, but what's this about?

The video looks like it's not for public consumption rather for internal use only.
shockdude
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(08-08-2017, 06:29 PM)
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When's Mahvel on ESPN?
Going to a restaurant and seeing superheroes beat each other up on live TV is gonna be hilarious. Even more so if it becomes really hype.
2n2
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(08-08-2017, 06:29 PM)

Originally Posted by pizzacat

theres so many mistakes in this video from using wrong models to placing characters that wasnt in those legacy games

but the worst one is showing footage of a hacked version of sfv


also where are they getting these stats for the 2nd half of the video

how good is netcode if theyre letting top 16 in

so many questions lol

also this seems super soulless like this project altogether but whatevs its for investors right?

What happened with that?
Zackat
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(08-08-2017, 06:30 PM)

Originally Posted by lucebuce12

They've said that MvC:I will use SFV netcode so take that for what you will.

Oh no
tbm24
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(08-08-2017, 06:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by 2n2

What happened with that?

Calling it a hacked version is a bit much. It's just a custom edit.
El Sabroso
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(08-08-2017, 06:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by Zackat

Oh no

hey, there are less issues when crossplay is not on the play with that netcode
Turbanator
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(08-08-2017, 06:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by Neoxon

That said, I'm surprised that Marvel let Capcom show X-Men from earlier games in the video.

The ban is lifted and those games are kinda important.

Originally Posted by Neonep

They should have taken some of that money they are using for esports and put it towards making a better product.

That $1.5M probably wouldn't have done much. I think that probably adds one more character.
CountBlack
(08-08-2017, 06:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by Neoxon

So they're doing something similar to the CPT Premier Pack for MvCI. It also lines up with the old rumors of there being a separate league in terms of timing.

That said, I'm surprised that Marvel let Capcom show X-Men from earlier games in the video.

wolverine skin for black panther ayyyyy
Uraizen
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(08-08-2017, 06:33 PM)

Originally Posted by lucebuce12

They've said that MvC:I will use SFV netcode so take that for what you will.

No mention about any change or improvement at all? Uh oh.
Mesoian
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(08-08-2017, 06:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by pizzacat

theres so many mistakes in this video from using wrong models to placing characters that wasnt in those legacy games

but the worst one is showing footage of a hacked version of sfv

also where are they getting these stats for the 2nd half of the video

how good is netcode if theyre letting top 16 in

so many questions lol

also this seems super soulless like this project altogether but whatevs its for investors right?

This is all amazingly capcom.
Turbanator
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(08-08-2017, 06:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by Uraizen

No mention about any change or improvement at all? Uh oh.

They said it's using a new version of the netcode, but whether the change will be significant or not is anybody's guess.

If it is, we might actually see it back-ported to SFV.
pizzacat
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(08-08-2017, 06:37 PM)

Originally Posted by lucebuce12

They've said that MvC:I will use SFV netcode so take that for what you will.

omg
pizzacat
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(08-08-2017, 06:38 PM)

Originally Posted by 2n2

What happened with that?

the hacked version of sfv they show is of a version that would let you play urien and juri when they were in the campaign mode exclusively

it literaly shows them in the wrong place with beta file names as their name
rmanthorp
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(08-08-2017, 06:38 PM)
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lmfao

seems like they are putting more effort into events than they are the game... That video is obviously internal only because it's so gross and business-y. Man what IS Capcom these days... It hurts.

also EVO reaction is choice https://twitter.com/MrWiz/status/894955508032880640
jett
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(08-08-2017, 06:38 PM)
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Maybe I'm misreading things but it seems like they make a really small amount of money out of this stuff. I guess it's more of a marketing tool for their games.
Uraizen
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(08-08-2017, 06:39 PM)

Originally Posted by Turbanator

They said it's using a new version of the netcode, but whether the change will be significant or not is anybody's guess.

If it is, we might actually see it back-ported to SFV.

Well, I have two hours to see if it's better. So we'll see how that goes.
IntelliHeath
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(08-08-2017, 06:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by Neoxon


That said, I'm surprised that Marvel let Capcom show X-Men from earlier games in the video.

Why is that? I meant Proposal video isn't suppose to be for public, and they apparently made their proposal video like few days ago and trying to share their plans for CPT and tournaments with high level workers from Marvel, Capcom JP and Capcom USA.

Also if it was recently made so like you said X-Men ban is lifted like 6 months ago so I'm not surprised to see X-Men being part of the video.

No Doctor Doom tho. :P
IntelliHeath
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(08-08-2017, 06:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by lucebuce12

They've said that MvC:I will use SFV netcode so take that for what you will.

I'm not sure if that's correct but I might miss that news but they said.

As for online play, the game will use rollback netcode similar to Street Fighter V. Unlike SFV however, Capcom will now be using matchmaking servers from Sony and Microsoft, instead of their own.

2n2
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(08-08-2017, 06:44 PM)

Originally Posted by pizzacat

the hacked version of sfv they show is of a version that would let you play urien and juri when they were in the campaign mode exclusively

it literaly shows them in the wrong place with beta file names as their name

Oh man, see that now. Yikes.
Cinder Fall
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(08-08-2017, 06:46 PM)
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It's weird that for CPT this year, the qualification for Capcom Cup includes the top 14 on the online leaderboards but there's no crossplay, so what leaderboard do they use of the 3 they have? Unless it's 14 of the best from across all three and not just the top 14.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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(08-08-2017, 06:47 PM)
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Is one man working on the servers for this game like SFV as well? I would hate to have to follow a MvCI network twitter account for updates if the damn online is working.
Neoxon
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(08-08-2017, 06:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by Turbanator

The ban is lifted and those games are kinda important.

True

Originally Posted by CountBlack

wolverine skin for black panther ayyyyy

Wolverine's probably gonna be his own character later.

Originally Posted by IntelliHeath

Also if it was recently made so like you said X-Men ban is lifted like 6 months ago so I'm not surprised to see X-Men being part of the video.

No Doctor Doom tho. :P

That's the part that really worries me.

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