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Nintendad
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(08-08-2017, 06:09 PM)
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So the game requires that you play the game on Handheld mode. How do you feel about this and how do you feel about it not mentioned it at all on the eShop? VOEZ is the first game to support the system

Severed on the eShop


VOEZ on the eShop

Transistor
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(08-08-2017, 06:09 PM)
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Makes sense. It's a 100% touch screen based game, pretty much. A great one, at that. Drinkbox is amazing.
ckaneo
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(08-08-2017, 06:09 PM)
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Dont mind if it's a touchscreen game
RecRoulette
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(08-08-2017, 06:10 PM)
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I prefer games being handheld mode only rather than either not being released or having horrible conventional controls being tacked on.
bobbychalkers
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(08-08-2017, 06:10 PM)
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They need better messaging about it but I'm completely cool with handheld only games, It opens the system up to more diverse playstylesl
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(08-08-2017, 06:10 PM)
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All touchscreen is fine but it should absolutely be advertised as so on the eShop.
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(08-08-2017, 06:10 PM)
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Don't mind, but they probably should put a warning/headsup on the purchase page in a manner that makes it difficult to miss.
BriBri
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(08-08-2017, 06:10 PM)
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Fourth. There's Touch Battle Tank and Plantera too.
zephervack
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(08-08-2017, 06:12 PM)
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Im surprised and glad Nintendo is allowing this, the alternative is that they wouldn't be released at all, so this is the sensible choice.
Burdmayn
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(08-08-2017, 06:12 PM)
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In this case, I honestly don't mind at all! I've heard nothing but great things about Severed and bought it as soon as I could this morning! I do think they should find a better way to make that known, but it's not like it requires hardware that you wouldn't have already.
ckaneo
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(08-08-2017, 06:14 PM)
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The fact that it isnt advertised is bad. Nintendo should just make an official label.
James Scott
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(08-08-2017, 06:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by bobbychalkers

They need better messaging about it but I'm completely cool with handheld only games, It opens the system up to more diverse playstylesl

Not sure why it would matter if It's touch screen only. No consumer that buys it would be left with a game they can't play

It's not like a game on Wii that requires the classic controller. No extra accessories needed

It also says it pretty high up on the eShop page. The second part under Software details
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Colonel Mustard
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(08-08-2017, 06:15 PM)
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They do specify though. I'm looking at the listing right now and under Supported play modes, it lists only tabletop and handheld mode.
Iriscomeback
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(08-08-2017, 06:15 PM)
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Dumb question:

So the tv screen just stays black when you dock it?
Atheerios
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(08-08-2017, 06:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by Iriscomeback

Dumb question:

So the tv screen just stays black when you dock it?

No. A message may appear (I don't know) but the basic limitation is that you can't control anything.
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(08-08-2017, 06:18 PM)
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I see no problem here. Everyone who has a Switch has a touchscreen.
EDarkness
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(08-08-2017, 06:20 PM)
I don't like it at all and I hope this doesn't become a thing. If the opposite was true, then people would be up in arms about that.
Mikke
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(08-08-2017, 06:22 PM)

Originally Posted by EDarkness

I don't like it at all and I hope this doesn't become a thing. If the opposite was true, then people would be up in arms about that.

I mean, this game does not work any other way. Yeah World of Goo had the pointer controls, but this game is way faster. So it's either handheld only or it's not coming to Switch. I don't really see a problem here.
Guymelef
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(08-08-2017, 06:23 PM)
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They are starting to ruin the beautiful rooftop parties....
EDarkness
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(08-08-2017, 06:23 PM)

Originally Posted by Mikke

I mean, this game does not work any other way. Yeah World of Goo had the pointer controls, but this game is way faster. So it's either handheld only or it's not coming to Switch. I don't really see a problem here.

I'm okay with it not coming to the system if it means that those who only play the system docked can't play it. I mean, it might as well not come out for those who don't use their system that way. Again, if the game was docked only, people would be upset about that.
wrowa
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(08-08-2017, 06:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by EDarkness

I don't like it at all and I hope this doesn't become a thing. If the opposite was true, then people would be up in arms about that.

Uh, why? If a game is too demanding to be played in handheld mode's reduced specs, but works in docked
mode, then I rather have a TV-only game than no game at all.

Originally Posted by EDarkness

I'm okay with it not coming to the system if it means that those who only play the system docked can't play it. I mean, it might as well not come out for those who don't use their system that way. Again, if the game was docked only, people would be upset about that.

That's just silly. The game shouldn't exist on the system because you can't play it in your preferred mode? What's the point of that? As long as it's clearly declared to support one mode it's totally fine.
Oresama
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(08-08-2017, 06:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by RecRoulette

I prefer games being handheld mode only rather than either not being released or having horrible conventional controls being tacked on.

This person gets it.

Now bring on the AAA docked only games that otherwise wouldn't even get released! 😫
SatoAilDarko
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(08-08-2017, 06:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by EDarkness

I'm okay with it not coming to the system if it means that those who only play the system docked can't play it. I mean, it might as well not come out for those who don't use their system that way. Again, if the game was docked only, people would be upset about that.

I mean it's handheld and tabletop only.

Like how 1, 2 Switch is docked and tabletop only.
Chezzymann
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(08-08-2017, 06:27 PM)
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Hopefully this continues so devs can utilize the touch screen more

Wish they was an official stylus
Mikke
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(08-08-2017, 06:28 PM)

Originally Posted by EDarkness

I'm okay with it not coming to the system if it means that those who only play the system docked can't play it. I mean, it might as well not come out for those who don't use their system that way. Again, if the game was docked only, people would be upset about that.

Not sure why you would see it that way. If you can't play anyway because you refuse to undock the console, it literally does not affect you. If it comes out and you only play docked for whatever reason, you won't play it. If it doesn't come out, you won't play it.
But it gives us other people more stuff to play.

And there would be no reason for a game to only work in docked state. This is not some arbitrary decision on the developer's part. It is literally unavoidable because it's a touchscreen based game.
TalonJH
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(08-08-2017, 06:29 PM)
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Makes sense for Severed.

Go play Severed. It's really good.
Eusis
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(08-08-2017, 06:29 PM)
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Hmm, I only played a little but were motion controls undoable? I'd think it could be fun to play this like you're really hacking away, though they'd need a cursor for precision.

Well, if they can do something there they could probably do it as DLC.
EDarkness
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(08-08-2017, 06:30 PM)

Originally Posted by wrowa

Uh, why? If a game is too demanding to be played in handheld mode's reduced specs, but works in docked
mode, then I rather have a TV-only game than no game at all.

That's just silly. The game shouldn't exist on the system because you can't play it in your preferred mode? What's the point of that? As long as it's clearly declared to support one mode it's totally fine.

I want people to remember these kinds of comments when the first docked only game is announced. I guarantee that there will be people upset because they can't play the game portable. Which is just their preferred method of playing games....
Rats Off To Ya
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(08-08-2017, 06:31 PM)
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I'm all for Switch devs limiting their games to a certain mode if they feel it's best for the game. Anything else would just be stifling creative freedom.

It should definitely be made extremely clear on the Shop page, however.
Hero of Legend
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(08-08-2017, 06:32 PM)
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So what happens if you put VOEZ in the dock, does it give you a "handheld-only" message and won't play?
SinCityAssassin
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(08-08-2017, 06:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by Eusis

Hmm, I only played a little but were motion controls undoable? I'd think it could be fun to play this like you're really hacking away, though they'd need a cursor for precision.

Well, if they can do something there they could probably do it as DLC.

There's a LOT of variables near the end game that requires too much precision and concentration for pointer controls to fully handle.
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(08-08-2017, 06:33 PM)
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Feel like it's an *instant* no-buy for me personally but I don't care if they're on the eShop or not. More options never hurt anyone. For me, the Switch is a console that is able to be taken to my bed or my toilet. For many others I imagine it's just a handheld all the time. That's the beauty of the damn thing.
MetroidPrimeRib
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(08-08-2017, 06:33 PM)
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If its a game that absolutely requires touchscreen usage then that's fine, I think. However it needs to be explicitly advertised as handheld only.
wrowa
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(08-08-2017, 06:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by EDarkness

I want people to remember these kinds of comments when the first docked only game is announced. I guarantee that there will be people upset because they can't play the game portable. Which is just their preferred method of playing games....

There are always some people who are angry. For example, you are angry right now. :P
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(08-08-2017, 06:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by EDarkness

I want people to remember these kinds of comments when the first docked only game is announced. I guarantee that there will be people upset because they can't play the game portable. Which is just their preferred method of playing games....

Severed requires a touch screen, like it did on Wii U. Some people preferred playing with a control pad and TV on Wii U also, but for their sake you'd prefer that it never came out? And presumably shouldn't have come out on Vita either to avoid upsetting PSTV owners.
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(08-08-2017, 06:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by EDarkness

I'm okay with it not coming to the system if it means that those who only play the system docked can't play it. I mean, it might as well not come out for those who don't use their system that way. Again, if the game was docked only, people would be upset about that.

That makes no sense. If it makes no difference to those who arbitrarily choose to never use a feature of the system whether or not it comes out, then why should those who do use the systems basic features miss out?

You're literally asserting that an incredibly minor segment of owners dictate what the vast majority of owners are allowed to play for what you clearly describe as no reason.
EDarkness
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(08-08-2017, 06:37 PM)

Originally Posted by wrowa

There are always some people who are angry. For example, you are angry right now. :P

I'm not angry, but I don't like that games don't work in all modes.

Originally Posted by Hades Hotgun

That makes no sense. If it makes no difference to those who arbitrarily choose to never use a feature of the system whether or not it comes out, then why should those who do use the systems basic features miss out?

You're literally asserting that an incredibly minor segment of owners dictate what the vast majority of owners are allowed to play for what you clearly describe as no reason.

Wait, how do you know the vast majority of NS owners use the system portably? I'd like to see some data on this.
bobbychalkers
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(08-08-2017, 06:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by Hero of Legend

So what happens if you put VOEZ in the dock, does it give you a "handheld-only" message and won't play?

The game boots up normally but you can't progress past the touch to start screen. It also gives a "This game is only played in handheld mode" prompt at the top
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(08-08-2017, 06:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by bobbychalkers

The game boots up normally but you can't progress past the touch to start screen

Interesting, thanks! :)
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(08-08-2017, 06:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by EDarkness

I'm not angry, but I don't like that games don't work in all modes.

That's fine, but then your turned your personal dislike into wanting it removed from sale.
fernoca
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(08-08-2017, 06:40 PM)
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I'm glad the option is there, same as a possible docked only game.
EDarkness
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(08-08-2017, 06:41 PM)

Originally Posted by Graphics Horse

That's fine, but then your turned your personal dislike into wanting it removed from sale.

The selling point of the system is that games can be played on the TV or portably. If it can only be played on the TV, that's not good. If it can only be played portably, that's not good, either. I would bet that if the next Pokemon game came out on the system and it could only be played portably, there would be a huge outcry to that.
CamHostage
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(08-08-2017, 06:44 PM)
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Note it on the sale page and I'm fine with it. It's not a habit I'd look forward to developers over-using, but some games are made to be played differently, and Switch allows lots of different ways to play.

Originally Posted by EDarkness

I'm okay with it not coming to the system if it means that those who only play the system docked can't play it. I mean, it might as well not come out for those who don't use their system that way. Again, if the game was docked only, people would be upset about that.

Heh, but who are those people? It's not an exclusive feature locking out a portion of the audience; they're not selling you a dock-only version of Switch. Every Switch can be played in all of its modes, and if somebody demands to die on the hill of this being a console for TVs then that's their delusion, but the only thing holding them back from breaking free from that choice is them getting up off their asses and picking their Switch out of the dock.

Now, if we're talking handicap accessibility and other things that might affect a player, sure, but those are edge cases that the gaming industry at large needs to address. Let this game exist and be good for what it's designed for.

Originally Posted by EDarkness

The selling point of the system is that games can be played on the TV or portably ... I would bet that if the next Pokemon game came out on the system and it could only be played portably, there would be a huge outcry to that.

Game by game, we can complain about it, sure. Pokemon being portable-only would be silly in every incarnation of the game I can think of. A touchscreen-based game being brought to the touchscreen platform, though, makes sense (although I think Severed would be cool if it were patched with Joycon play...

Originally Posted by Mikke

And there would be no reason for a game to only work in docked state. This is not some arbitrary decision on the developer's part. It is literally unavoidable because it's a touchscreen based game.

The "power of the dock" probably won't ever be a deciding factor in a game being dock-only (you can always throttle down, and the boost isn't that significant that there are types of games not feasible without the extra dock support.) However, there may be stuff like dancing games or other things (especially if Switch brings peripherals out) that wouldn't be best and/or playable as just a tablet game. Just Dance would be a game like that, though even with that, Ubisoft has found a way since the ability to bring the tablet anywhere and fold it out for an instant party is just too easy a selling point. (Also, it's Joycon-based instead of camera play on Switch in Just Dance 2017.)
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i dont mind this at all. just hope theres implemenation to filter or have a seperate channel in the eshop for handheld only games.
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(08-08-2017, 06:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by Iriscomeback

Dumb question:

So the tv screen just stays black when you dock it?

Might depend on the game. Voez is weird in that it actually outputs the appropriate visual and sound when docked, but you can't interact with it (I'm not sure if it does so during a song though, but if it did that would be a really roundabout way of playing music).

Feeding audio and visual is probably a firmware-level feature, with no good reason to actually disable it unless they come from certain user experience schools that would call for that removal (games don't usually take that route though).
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(08-08-2017, 06:46 PM)
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I would bet that if the next Pokemon game came out on the system and it could only be played portably, there would be a huge outcry to that.

Yes, but there'd also be no reason for that. This is a touchscreen controlled game.

1, 2 Switch can't be played in handheld mode and there wasn't much, if any, outcry against that because the game is fundamentally designed to only be played a certain way.
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(08-08-2017, 06:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by EDarkness

The selling point of the system is that games can be played on the TV or portably. If it can only be played on the TV, that's not good. If it can only be played portably, that's not good, either. I would bet that if the next Pokemon game came out on the system and it could only be played portably, there would be a huge outcry to that.

If it was a game that had no good reason to be using touchscreen exclusive controls, then that would be quite justified, but this and Voez aren't that kind of game.
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(08-08-2017, 06:46 PM)
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They should mention it on the E-Shop but I'm totally cool with it in practice. Better than not getting the game at all just because they couldn't make a docked mode work.
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(08-08-2017, 06:47 PM)

Originally Posted by Transistor

Makes sense. It's a 100% touch screen based game, pretty much. A great one, at that. Drinkbox is amazing.

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(08-08-2017, 06:50 PM)
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I'm fine with devs making portable-only games if the design calls for it.

I'd even be fine with devs making docked-only games if they feel their game 100% needs the extra horsepower, but that would probably never happen.

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