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Turn 10 announce Forza Motorsport 7 VIP changes after negative fan feedback
- Thread starter Fortinbras
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DominusLeges
Member
I'm getting the biggest case of dejavu I've had in a long time. Didn't they make like the exact same comments in response to "fan feedback" before?
mullet2000
Member
This is why making your voices heard is a good thing folks.
Yearsoflurking
Member
Yeah forza 5 iirc
Maintenance
Member
Complaining works. If people start being complacent things will just get worse.
Yes, Forza 5.
Yes, Forza 5.
This is the crux of Jim Sterlings argument - be jubilant, but stay vigilant. Never take listen to those who try to silence you calling out shit when you see it.
No no, people are just being entitled little bitches. These devs and publishers absolutely need these microtransactions to even turn a profit on their games.
/s
DominusLeges
Member
Ah good glad to know I'm not crazy haha
Yea seems clear they tried to pull something just to see how far they could push things. It's a good thing that most of the fans of the franchise actually made their outrage and objections clear. Those who are blinded by brand loyalty always fail to see how their refusal to criticize is counter to both their interests and the interest of the very same brands they love so much.
matrix-cat
Member
And so many people were acting like Jim Sterling was the one in the wrong for 'wasting his time' complaining about all this. "It's just the way things are now and we have to accept it."
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Loot boxes still staying?
Edit: Of course they're staying.
Edit: Of course they're staying.
Maintenance
Member
I haven't been able to watch his video but wasn't he ripping into them for the loot boxes or did he get into the changes of VIP as well?
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
As long as you get more rewards from the VIP to get loot boxes then, whatever.
Fair compromise.
Fair compromise.
SwordStruck
Member
This doesn't really sound that substantial, especially given that the loot boxes are staying. It seems like the biggest issue is that the core progression is hindered and that doesn't seem to be impacted by the changes they're talking about.
Fortinbras
Member
BlindSwordsmanZ
Member
What?? This is just.. fuck man
good joke
IISANDERII
Member
For sure. Now that they've done this amazing favour of giving back something that was always there to begin with, they're now in good graces so loyal fans will more easily tolerate being subjected to skinner boxes and other psychological trickery.
LOL yeah right. Listen guys, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that this was all planned from the beginning. This is just their way of getting the Forza franchise more exposure.
Sucks for those of you who jumped the gun and requested a refund. It pays to have a little patience. I bought the Ultimate Edition and just sat quietly observing from the sidelines.
Yeah, I know. Same.
I'm probably not upgrading to the One X as well for now too as a result. Way to go Microsoft.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
Pretty much.
This is how publishers keep getting away with this, they hear the outcry and change something back leaving something more insidious in place.
Maintenance
Member
No, "core progression" is not hindered, and yes, 2X CRs is an impactful change.
SwordStruck
Member
As far as I have heard, the game is built around the loot boxes.
I don't believe they planned for an outcry/rollback, but this wouldn't surprise me as a result.
You still have to pay extra for VIP just to be less manipulated by the loot box system.
You can play and enjoy the whole game without needing to open a single loot box.
WaterAstro
Member
Sometimes I feel like protest about game issues are so common that game companies intentionally make a bad release of something that they know they will change so that they can look like they are listening to its audience, but it's really them seeing how far they can push it.
NoPiece
Member
You started by saying core progression is not hindered. It is, by moving moving race difficulty bonuses to consumable mods in crates. You may still be able play and enjoy the whole game, but you either have to grind through more slowly, or gamble with loot crates.
from the Eurogamer review:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-10-04-forza-motorsport-7-review
SwordStruck
Member
I'm talking about the locks they place behind being able to buy cars based on what your rank is. USgamer summed it up pretty well:
'In addition, many cars are locked behind Tiers, meaning you need to own a certain number of vehicles before you even get the option to purchase them. So folks race to gain CR, to buy prize crates, to get consumable mods, to gain CR, to buy other vehicles, to raise their Tier level, to eventually buy the vehicles they want. Worse, some cars are only available within crates.'
Yes, the doubling of CR for VIP members sounds like it'll help that a bit. My problem is that they're pushing people to spend more money on VIP just to avoid their shitty loot box system.
GHG
Member
Bu but but I enjoy racing.
If enough people keep pushing they might change it so that everything in the shitty lootboxes system can be obtained as normal with credits. If people stop pushing and say "this is fine, I don't see the big deal" (which some people are already doing for reasons unknown to me) then nothing changes.
Make your voices heard.
I might consider getting VIP now if they confirm all these cars and perks are also to be made available to people who purchase it now. I'm supportive of these types of changes, it's the correct way to get extra money from customers.
You do realise that attitudes like this (the turning a blind eye and hand waving) is why it will only get worse right?
Because if you want to get access to everything in the game then you do need to start opening loot boxes, it's already been covered in multiple threads.
If enough people keep pushing they might change it so that everything in the shitty lootboxes system can be obtained as normal with credits. If people stop pushing and say "this is fine, I don't see the big deal" (which some people are already doing for reasons unknown to me) then nothing changes.
Make your voices heard.
I might consider getting VIP now if they confirm all these cars and perks are also to be made available to people who purchase it now. I'm supportive of these types of changes, it's the correct way to get extra money from customers.
You do realise that attitudes like this (the turning a blind eye and hand waving) is why it will only get worse right?
Because if you want to get access to everything in the game then you do need to start opening loot boxes, it's already been covered in multiple threads.
This is a business. Companies need to make more money in order to be interested in this all sorts of broken AAA market and engage with it. Loot boxes are here to stay.
NullPointer
Member
Not only are some cars limited to crates, but if you get a car through a crate its not locked behind your tier level like it would be through normal (non-crate) progression. They built an inventory based tier system to lock cars behind and then punched a hole through those locks with their prize crates. Thats called 'convenience' in 2017.
But the VIP thing raised even more of a stink since it was a pretty clear bait-and-switch on their most dedicated fans.
Maybe they should stop to consider who broke it.
IISANDERII
Member
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
Not really, no. Many of the games previous core features are now replaced with loot boxes. I dont believe that argument holds water anymore
So what are you saying? You want these prize crates to stay? Do you think theyre absolutely necessary? Because Im genuinely curious. Locking cars behind crates is shit. Using driver gear and outfits to push micro transactions seems completely pointless. Not awarding credits for tuning settings is a misstep. At what point does color customization become a nickel and dime practice also? Where do you draw the line?
Doctor_Thomas
Member
And then what? If we want nice AAA graphics and high quality content on this scale we now expect, we have to come to terms with companies seeking new ways to monetize. Game development is expensive and gets more and more expensive. Asking who's responsible for this is meaningless and I don't think the answer is as clear as you would want it to be.
I don't want any of this but it doesn't matter. These loot boxes work. As long as they work, companies will implement them. That's how the market works.
Without the free to play economy I'd imagine Forza and many other games to lack content and features we and the average consumer expect from those games nowadays.
That's defeating the purpose, sadly. The goal here is to potential make limitless money. Not to just have a higher revenue ceiling. And just to be clear, I'm not cheerleading for any of this. But that's just how this business works.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Nice. Probably gonna buy it now.
