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badboy78660
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(10-05-2017, 05:54 PM)
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http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/05/news...-+Most+Recent)

Japan's public broadcaster has revealed that one of its reporters died from overwork.

NHK said that labor officials had concluded that the 31-year-old political reporter died from heart failure caused by spending long hours on the job.

Japan, known for its 'salaryman' culture and punishing work hours, has struggled for years to tackle the impact of overwork on employees' health. A government study published last year found that one in five workers is at risk of working themselves to death.

Excessive hours are such a big problem that there's even a Japanese word for death by overwork: karoshi.

According to a news story published by NHK, Miwa Sado had worked 159 hours of overtime in the month before her death.

The circumstances of Sado's death in 2013 had not been made public until this week.

NHK said it was taking the death of its employee very seriously. The broadcaster has pledged to reform the way its reporters work.
Related: Japan needs more workers but can't find them

The 2015 suicide of another Japanese worker, Matsuri Takahashi, had previously been linked to overwork.

Japanese regulators found that she had been forced to work excessively long hours at an advertising agency, clocking about 105 hours of overtime in the month leading up to her death. The extreme schedule resulted in her suicide, they ruled.

The CEO of the ad company resigned over the issue.

Labor lawyers and citizens groups have for decades pushed for changes to Japanese law to recognize karoshi as a serious social issue. Their efforts resulted in a 2014 law that called for better working conditions but didn't force companies to act.

Truly sickening. Why is this 'salaryman' culture even a thing out there?
andythinkpad
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(10-05-2017, 05:56 PM)
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I clocked 7 hours of overtime in last 3 days, works out to 70hr/month. How dead am I?
Linkstrikesback
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(10-05-2017, 05:56 PM)
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*checks amount of overtime hours I've done over the last month*

shit
Line_HTX
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(10-05-2017, 05:57 PM)
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CEO resigning is not good enough. There must be hell to pay.

And these law changing efforts still don't do shit to stop this from happening since that lady that worked in Dentsu committed suicide.
Eusis
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(10-05-2017, 05:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by badboy78660

http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/05/news...-+Most+Recent)



Truly sickening. Why is this 'salaryman' culture even a thing out there?

Some asshole from America exported the concept to them last I heard. Look up "working to the bone, then until the bone is dust, then sell the dust" or something along those lines.
z1ggy
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(10-05-2017, 05:57 PM)
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Japan working culture will kill its own society.
Acorn
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(10-05-2017, 05:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by andythinkpad

I clocked 7 hours of overtime in last 3 days, works out to 70hr/month. How dead am I?

I mean, it's not healthy but you aren't gonna die. Everyone has pulled crazy hours at some point. Just not crazy death hours.
Living the Dream
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(10-05-2017, 05:58 PM)
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They need to allow people time to fuck to fix their population issue. This isnít helping.
shnurgleton
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(10-05-2017, 05:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by Eusis

Some asshole from America exported the concept to them last I heard. Look up "working to the bone, then until the bone is dust, then sell the dust" or something along those lines.

Labor rights have been in decline for a long time.

I wonder how much of this is just cultural though - are long hours the only way to get decent career advancement in Japan?
Acorn
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(10-05-2017, 06:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by Living the Dream

They need to allow people time to fuck to fix their population issue. This isnít helping.

Should make Tuesdays the dedicated fuck someone day.

Nothing good happens on Tuesdays.
badboy78660
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(10-05-2017, 06:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by z1ggy

Japan working culture will kill its own society.

Originally Posted by Living the Dream

They need to allow people time to fuck to fix their population issue. This isnít helping.

Yeah, these were the things I couldn't help thinking about. The overworking issues coupled with the Japanese-people-not-having-enough-sex thing doesn't bode well.
Izuna
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(10-05-2017, 06:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by Living the Dream

They need to allow people time to fuck to fix their population issue. This isn’t helping.

Time isn't going to help them fuck.

Sadly they have very deep cultural issues that are new and no one really knows what the fuck is going on.

Company can flat out give bonuses to workers for having babies and that still isn't working.

Not to mention half the adults who are virgins in Tokyo... ;/
demosthenes
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(10-05-2017, 06:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by Living the Dream

They need to allow people time to fuck to fix their population issue. This isnít helping.

There's more to it then that. I think it was Vice who did a story on this and was interviewing a lot of people and they were doing some statistical polls and people just didn't want to have sex.
n00bsauce87
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(10-05-2017, 06:02 PM)
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I don't know, maybe hire more people and put a cap on allowable overtime hours. I understand that companies may need it, but that's insane. The money isn't worth it at that point.

EDIT: They are gonna have to have even more lax laws on immigration to cover the demand for work. There maybe a blessing in this crisis
Saganator
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(10-05-2017, 06:02 PM)
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Japan as a country is getting fucked up by it's backwards corporate culture. They really need to do something about it.
AtomskEater
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(10-05-2017, 06:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by badboy78660

Truly sickening. Why is this 'salaryman' culture even a thing out there?

I wish I knew. It seems super fucked up that it's considered bad to leave work before your boss does, and then often you have to attend drinking parties that go until late at night. I've also heard that most overtime is unpaid, although I don't know how true that is depending on the company.

This is part of the reason they're having population issues. You're overworked and tired as shit all the time so you have no time for relationships, or you don't want to get a full time job because you may have these issues so you don't have the kind of money that can support a household with kids. Regulate this shit, hefty fines and payouts to families for companies that are not sending workers home in reasonable hours. Force them to follow the guidelines!
fabricated backlash
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(10-05-2017, 06:03 PM)
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159 hours in a month... Shit I know the feeling
Dynamite Shikoku
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(10-05-2017, 06:05 PM)
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Japan's work culture is truly horrible. Imagine looking forward to that shit as a young adult
Mr. Poolman
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(10-05-2017, 06:06 PM)
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I'm a fucking mercenary.
I'm not doing a single extra hour unless I'm told I'm getting paid.

I've had some bad rep over the years for being a "clockwork man", but my family time is precious to me.
Acorn
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(10-05-2017, 06:08 PM)
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Another fucked thing about this culture. Self worth is so tied up in your job, getting laid off can lead vulnerable people over the edge.
Cherubimon142
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(10-05-2017, 06:08 PM)
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It's all in the mindset of the company heads, who place tradition and repetition on a pedestal. Look at the sexual discrimination laws. They sound good on paper, but are still left up to the company heads on whether they want to actually enforce them.
Sulik2
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(10-05-2017, 06:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by z1ggy

Japan working culture will kill its own society.

Its not will, it is killing their society. Alcoholism, suicide rates and low birth rates are already having a massive effect on their society and all three can be blamed on their toxic work culture.
z1ggy
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(10-05-2017, 06:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mr. Poolman

I'm a fucking mercenary.
I'm not doing a single extra hour unless I'm told I'm getting paid.

I've had some bad rep over the years for being a "clockwork man", but my family time is precious to me.

That's the way it should be. Working for free is a waste of our lifetime.
Slayven
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(10-05-2017, 06:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mr. Poolman

I'm a fucking mercenary.
I'm not doing a single extra hour unless I'm told I'm getting paid.

I've had some bad rep over the years for being a "clockwork man", but my family time is precious to me.

LOL nothing funnier when they try to shame you into working over. As long as the bills are paid fuck that noise.
zeemumu
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(10-05-2017, 06:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mr. Poolman

I'm a fucking mercenary.
I'm not doing a single extra hour unless I'm told I'm getting paid.

I've had some bad rep over the years for being a "clockwork man", but my family time is precious to me.

A literal mercenary or a contractor but mercenary sounds cooler?
shaneo632
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(10-05-2017, 06:09 PM)
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As someone who works like 25 hours a week I will never understand this shit. Work to live, goddammit.

EDIT: I remember when I used to work as an office temp in London, my boss said I "wasn't a team player" because I arrived at 8:57am every day and was out the door by 5:03pm at the absolute latest.
Acorn
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(10-05-2017, 06:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by Slayven

LOL nothing funnier when they try to shame you into working over. As long as the bills are paid fuck that noise.

I'll do an occasional unpaid hour aslong as my work returns the favour when I need to leave early or whatever.
Redd
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(10-05-2017, 06:10 PM)
That's crazy and here I work 10 hours overtime a week for the extra pay. Honestly if they switched me to salary I'm clocking out at 40 a week tops.
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(10-05-2017, 06:11 PM)
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Japanese work culture fucking sucks. I remember reading stories of game developers sleeping in their offices for weeks just to meet the deadline.
Takamura-San
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(10-05-2017, 06:12 PM)
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American CEO must be like, why our workers are not that dedicated.

Work to live people. You can't negotiate time back.
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(10-05-2017, 06:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by Acorn

I'll do an occasional unpaid hour aslong as my work returns the favour when I need to leave early or whatever.

Scratching backs is fine, but there is always the danger of that shit becoming expected
Fuzzery
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(10-05-2017, 06:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by shaneo632

As someone who works like 25 hours a week I will never understand this shit. Work to live, goddammit.

EDIT: I remember when I used to work as an office temp in London, my boss said I "wasn't a team player" because I arrived at 8:57am every day and was out the door by 5:03pm at the absolute latest.

What do you do?
Stuart444
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(10-05-2017, 06:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by demosthenes

There's more to it then that. I think it was Vice who did a story on this and was interviewing a lot of people and they were doing some statistical polls and people just didn't want to have sex.

To be fair, why would you want to have sex after working insane hours like this. Working so much, and then doing those after work drinking shit, can't blame people for wanting to just sleep instead of fucking.
AlexBasch
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(10-05-2017, 06:14 PM)
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As a writer in a newspaper, I can tell you that 13+ hours shifts are a normal occurrence at my job.

It's not cool at all but haven't found another option yet. I'm looking, though.

Poor guy.
Acorn
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(10-05-2017, 06:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by Slayven

Scratching backs is fine, but there is always the danger of that shit becoming expected

Oh yeah, agreed. It should never be assumed you will work extra for free.
Slayven
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(10-05-2017, 06:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by AlexBasch

As a writer in a newspaper, I can tell you that 13+ hours shifts are a normal occurrence at my job.

It's not cool at all but haven't found another option yet. I'm looking, though.

Poor guy.

Poor she
backslashbunny
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(10-05-2017, 06:15 PM)
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According to my overtime tracker, I've clocked ~280 hours of overtime in the past 7 weeks.

My body def feels it, and I'm not even 30.
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(10-05-2017, 06:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by shaneo632

As someone who works like 25 hours a week I will never understand this shit. Work to live, goddammit.

EDIT: I remember when I used to work as an office temp in London, my boss said I "wasn't a team player" because I arrived at 8:57am every day and was out the door by 5:03pm at the absolute latest.

Yeah I've had that. And I've been told by my boss at my yearly review that my work is good, but I should spend more time socialising with coworkers as they often go out together after work. Fuck off, that's my time
Cherubimon142
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(10-05-2017, 06:15 PM)
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Another fun fact is that employees can often work as long as their boss does. Or rather, as long as their boss stays in the office. In theory, he could be doing anything, but the employee has to stay until he leaves for the night.
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(10-05-2017, 06:15 PM)
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Shit when I was in my 20's I worked 48-72 hours of overtime (that's in addition to the regular 40 not total) every week while offshore. Last I heard they've at least made it so you can't stay out on the rigs for over two weeks at a time but back then I'd stay out for a month or more and work those hours. Super easy work and it was still brutal on your psyche.

The lack of proper sleep was the worst. By the time my time offshore was almost over every month I'd be cursing out my boss in just full blown don't give a fuck mode but everyone understood that it was just part of the game lol. I couldn't imagine doing it in my 30's. Fuck that
The Kree
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(10-05-2017, 06:16 PM)
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Y'all got a single word specifically for death by overwork and won't do anything to reduce it.

Seems reasonable.
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(10-05-2017, 06:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by backslashbunny

According to my overtime tracker, I've clocked ~280 hours of overtime in the past 7 weeks.

My body def feels it, and I'm not even 30.

Are you getting paid for it? What happens if you just leave on time?
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(10-05-2017, 06:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by Zee-Row

Japanese work culture fucking sucks. I remember reading stories of game developers sleeping in their offices for weeks just to meet the deadline.

A japanese friend of mine sleeps in the office once or twice a week. They even have beds in a seperate room from the office...
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(10-05-2017, 06:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by Acorn

Should make Tuesdays the dedicated fuck someone day.

Nothing good happens on Tuesdays.

See you next Tuesday.
MetroidPrimeRib
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(10-05-2017, 06:18 PM)
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Japanese work culture is exceedingly toxic and bad but at the same time you know American CEOs are wondering how they can get this
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(10-05-2017, 06:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by The Kree

Y'all got a single word specifically for death by overwork and won't do anything to reduce it.

Seems reasonable.


Giles Prentice: A Broken what?

Secretary Baird: Broken Arrow. It's a Class 4 Strategic Theatre Emergency. It's what we call it when we lose a nuclear weapon.

Giles Prentice: I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a term for it.

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jay
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(10-05-2017, 06:18 PM)
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I'm sure a company or two making slight policy changes that likely pan out to doing nothing will radically change the culture.
SomTervo
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(10-05-2017, 06:18 PM)
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"Japan needs more workers but can't find them"

You need to open your borders, Japanese friends. I know your culture hates it but otherwise you're at risk of extinction.

Originally Posted by Eusis

Some asshole from America exported the concept to them last I heard.

Yup.

The Americans said "you can't have an army but here have our dystopian capitalist culture" and the Japanese turned the knob to 11.
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(10-05-2017, 06:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by Acorn

I'll do an occasional unpaid hour aslong as my work returns the favour when I need to leave early or whatever.

Then it's not really unpaid. It's just flex hours.
KorrZ
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(10-05-2017, 06:21 PM)
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I have a reputation at my employer for being anti-overtime.

I established it immediately and have worked to keep adamant about it.

I've heard some jokes from coworkers from time to time about bolting out the door at the strike of 5 but idgaf.

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