[Nicodimas]

http://www.house.gov/paul/bio.shtml

Discuss. A little bit different of a candiate.

Anyone know anything detailed?

[JayDubya]

He has no chance in hell.

Which sucks, because unlike McCain or Giuliani or Clinton he'd basically end all the shit Bush did overnight. Wouldn't it be nice to have a president that would never ever do anything unconstitutional? Le sigh.

[Nicodimas]

Dang the more I read the more like.

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/01/12/233057.php

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/henderson2.html

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul-arch.html

[Mandark]

Why does Ron Paul think credit card companies need the government to intervene to make sure debts are repaid?

I'd rather have a candidate that keeps the government out of private business transactions.

[C4Lukins]

I would vote for him. I would love to see him run with the Libartarians, Pat run with the Independents, and Nader run with some other party in 2008. Get three no nonsense bad asses in there to make the Republicans and Democrats squirm a bit.

[Screaming_Gremlin]

I would vote for him. I would love to see him run with the Libartarians, Pat run with the Independents, and Nader run with some other party in 2008. Get three no nonsense bad asses in there to make the Republicans and Democrats squirm a bit.

Actually, he did run for President with the Libertairan party back in 88.

[Metaphoreus]

Why does Ron Paul think credit card companies need the government to intervene to make sure debts are repaid? I'd rather have a candidate that keeps the government out of private business transactions.

It's ironic that you'd bring this up since Paul is a libertarian (though is in Congress as a Republican). As just mentioned, Paul ran for president for the Libertarian party in 1988 (he lost the election, incidentally).

Having not read his thoughts on the subject, I would assume that his support for government involving itself in the repayment of debts to credit card companies stems from his belief that those debts are contractually binding, and one of government's primary purposes is to enforce contracts. Anywho, anything that discourages spending money you don't have is probably a good thing nowadays, what with Americans' savings last year being in the negative range (if I remember correctly).

I wonder, though, would he run as a Libertarian (in which case he'd have no chance of winning) or a Republican (in which case he'd at least be televised)?

[dragonfart28]

Ron Paul seeks GOP nomination to run for president

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...#ixzz1MKhrt7ck

[demon]

He has no chance in hell.

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

Wow. I was surprised to see JayDubya's face again.

Anyway.....ron paul.... yay?!!

[Chuck (Old)]

He's got my vote.

[sixteen-bit]

I don't think he's got a snowball's chance in heck.

[dragonfart28]

I don't give a tits about the constitution, but if he can shut down the military-industrial complex, then he's got my vote.

I will stomach the social conservatism for less death.

[Funky Papa]

Uh, what happened to JayDubya?

[mr. puppy]

not this time, reddit already thinks he's a joke and that was the big driving force behind his campaign of stupid all those years ago

[Salazar]

First three, almost first four posters banned.

Ron Paul is cursed.

Uh, what happened to JayDubya?

Flipped the fuck out over abortion is my guess.

[Mortrialus]

He has no chance in hell. Which sucks, because unlike McCain or Giuliani or Clinton he'd basically end all the shit Bush did overnight. Wouldn't it be nice to have a president that would never ever do anything unconstitutional? Le sigh.

That is very much not true. Ron Paul has stated very directly that he has no regard for the establishment clause and supports government mandated prayers in public schools and public events for one thing.

[Escape Goat]

About as batshit insane as Huckabee.

[Tim-E]

He's running again? Aw, that's precious.

[Witchfinder General]

That is very much not true. Ron Paul has stated very directly that he has no regard for the establishment clause and supports government mandated prayers in public schools and public events for one thing.

Don't hold your breath on a reply.

[Matthew Gallant]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI1NrcnIH00

[blame space]

omg that first post

"le sigh"

[dragonfart28]

As someone who is socially progressive, is it wrong to support Ron Paul based on his anti-war agenda alone?

Isn't that significantly higher on the maslow's hierarchy of needs scale?

[DUFFMCWALIN]

He's got my vote.

+1. There really is no one else I would want to vote for.

[Matthew Gallant]

As someone who is socially progressive, is it wrong to support Ron Paul based on his anti-war agenda alone?

Yes. He would dismantle FEMA and the EPA, is anti-gay, and would allow for the return of segregation as a side effect of his view of property rights.

[kaskade]

Ron Paul is a crazy character. On one hand he has some pretty good ideas it seems like being very open about ending the war on drugs. I haven't really seen anyone be so open about that. On the other hand he's still a crazy republican.

[Mortrialus]

Don't hold your breath on a reply.

?

http://atheism.about.com/b/2007/08/0...secularism.htm

[Tobor]

Ron Paul seeks GOP nomination to run for president http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...#ixzz1MKhrt7ck

Anything that guarantees a second term for Obama is great in my book.

[demon]

?

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[Trip Warhawkins]

Ron Paul won the debate with meatwad Obama. Just sayin'.

[Kurtofan]

? http://atheism.about.com/b/2007/08/0...secularism.htm

He means it's a four years old post and the poster is banned.

[Mortrialus]

He means it's a four years old post and the poster is banned.

This is what happens when you've been up all night.

Either way my point still stands. Ron Paul is religious nut and I don't know why he has the huge internet cult.

Ron Paul on evolution.

Shit can't be posted enough whenever Ron Paul enters a topic.

[dragonfart28]

Yes. He would dismantle FEMA and the EPA, is anti-gay, and would allow for the return of segregation as a side effect of his view of property rights.

But is that worth the 3 trillion lost on war efforts that kill countless innocent lives?

I mean, let's put things into perspective here.

Either way my point still stands. Ron Paul is religious nut and I don't know why he has the huge internet cult. Ron Paul on evolution.

Again, we all know better, but does this really have any bearing on pragmatic decisions? If he can treat the nation as a secular entity then what difference does it make?

Obama, by comparison is almost as bad as Bush when it comes to humanitarianism. Is it really worth the social progression, when we should be resolving the most potent problems the world faces instead??

[Matthew Gallant]

But is that worth the 3 trillion lost on war efforts that kill countless innocent lives?

Only if you're white, straight, don't breathe, and live in a fortress impervious to natural disasters. I haven't even gotten to how the laissez-faire capitalism would ruin the economy.

[Mortrialus]

Again, we all know better, but does this really have any bearing on pragmatic decisions? If he can treat the nation as a secular entity then what difference does it make?

Yes it does. It shows a complete inability to weigh evidence, critical thinking, elementary science, and a complete disregard for learning about reality and an inability to change one's mind when proven to be demonstrably wrong.

Second, he has made comments that directly show his complete disregard and contempt for the establishment clause.

[Chuck (Old)]

Yes it does. It shows a complete inability to weigh evidence, critical thinking, elementary science, and a complete disregard for learning about reality and an inability to change one's mind when proven to be demonstrably wrong.

You do know he's a doctor, right? He wouldn't force his views on the populace if he was elected.

[Stinkles]

He can't get elected because

He's racist
He's a homophobe
Uses States Rights obfuscation to deny gay marriage
Is a Theist
Believes there's no separation of church and state in the constitution
DOES NOT BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION EVEN THOUGH HE'S A DOCTOR
Has naive ideas about international policy
Is an isolationist
Has absurdly naive economic ideas
Is a slightly crazy old man
Is VIRULENTLY anti abortion
Is a hypocrite

[Mortrialus]

You do know he's a doctor, right? He wouldn't force his views on the populace if he was elected.

Thats part of why its so scary. The guy is a medical doctor who has no knowledge, or a complete disregard of the knowledge of evolution and how the theory of evolution has revolutionized the very industry he was apart of before becoming a politician.

And your statement that he wouldn't force his views on the populace if he was elected is laughable considering his views on gay marriage.

[Chuck (Old)]

Thats part of why its so scary. The guy is a medical doctor who has no knowledge of evolution and how the theory of evolution has revolutionized the very industry he was apart of before becoming a politician. And your statement that he wouldn't force his views on the populace if he was elected is laughable considering his views on gay marriage.

Of course he has knowledge on the theory of evolution, hell he has more scientific knowledge than you or me. For a lot of people, religious belief in creation trumps evolution. He's stated time and time again that issues such as gay marriage should be left to the states.

[sparky2112]

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[Link1110]

I like his ideas. but not his followers. Get ready for another sustained mass of Ron Paul spam on every single Youtube video just like last time.

I just wish the guy had a shot, because he's thye best candidate out there.

[dragonfart28]

Only if you're white, straight, don't breathe, and live in a fortress impervious to natural disasters. I haven't even gotten to how the laissez-faire capitalism would ruin the economy.

I don't think it would be that disastrous in the short term.

Also, keep in mind that we're going to have to stop relying on politicians. Social movements will have to begin at a grassroots level to get them to listen. Even a social construct like Obama doesn't have enough power or the will to change things.

And lastly, we will realize that both laissez-faire capitalism and the military-industrial complex are misnomers in the short term. We will be able to reform both, and saved money for more humanitarian endeavours.

[Kraftwerk]

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[Stinkles]

Of course he has knowledge on the theory of evolution, hell he has more scientific knowledge than you or me. For a lot of people, religious belief in creation trumps evolution. He's stated time and time again that issues such as gay marriage should be left to the states.

You know you're defending a complete crank and a hypocrite.

I find the admiration of Ron Paul incredibly weird, because Ron Paul is so nakedly hypocritical and nakedly anti-freedom - and freedom seems to be one of the things Ron Paul fans all seem to yearn for.

I can't think of too many genuinely admirable politicians, but Ron Paul just on his basic list of shortcomings, seems like an especially weird choice even for Libertarians. I will bold the things on my list I'd expect Libertarians to be disturbed by:

He's racist
He's a homophobe
Uses States Rights obfuscation to deny gay marriage
Is a Theist
Believes there's no separation of church and state in the constitution
DOES NOT BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION EVEN THOUGH HE'S A DOCTOR
Has naive ideas about international policy
Is an isolationist
Has absurdly naive economic ideas
Is a slightly crazy old man
Is VIRULENTLY anti abortion
Is a hypocrite

[Chuck (Old)]

bs

[MrHicks]

again?
why run if you have 0.00000000,00% chance of winning?

the hell

[Kraftwerk]

Amazing counter argument. You should be head of his campaign. Will fit right in.

[demon]

Of course he has knowledge on the theory of evolution, hell he has more scientific knowledge than you or me. For a lot of people, religious belief in creation trumps evolution.

That's kind of the point. Even with knowledge, education and training in the sciences, they are all trumped by crazy religious beliefs. That's scary in a politician, let alone president(ial candidate).

[Gattsu25]

Well, we already know he is itching for a debate: Fox hosts a debate between Ron Paul and an Obama impersonator

[Stinkles]

He's racist
He's a homophobe
Uses States Rights obfuscation to deny gay marriage

In 2004, he spoke in support of the Defense of Marriage Act, passed in 1996. This act allows a state to decline to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states or countries, although a state will usually recognize legal marriages performed outside of its own jurisdiction. The Defense of Marriage Act also prohibits the U.S. government from recognizing same-sex marriages, even if a state recognizes the marriage. Paul co-sponsored the Marriage Protection Act, which would have barred federal judges from hearing cases pertaining to the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act.[190][191]

Is a Theist
Believes there's no separation of church and state in the constitution

In a December 2003 article entitled "Christmas in Secular America", Paul wrote, "The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders’ political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal government’s hostility to religion. The establishment clause of the First Amendment was simply intended to forbid the creation of an official state church like the Church of England, not to drive religion out of public life. The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance.

DOES NOT BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION EVEN THOUGH HE'S A DOCTOR
Has naive ideas about international policy
Is an isolationist
Has absurdly naive economic ideas
Is a slightly crazy old man
Is VIRULENTLY anti abortion
Is a hypocrite