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Poetic.Injustice
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(10-30-2017, 02:19 AM)
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Letís start from the beginning. According to the scene group Revolt, Ubisoft has added VMProtect over Denuvo. Our guess is that the French team did this in order to protect its title from pirates. After all, weíve seen all the latest Denuvo games getting cracked in less than a day. However, and at the time of writing, there is still no crack for Assassinís Creed Origins.

Thatís all good for Ubisoft, however Revolt claimed that this implementation brings a severe CPU performance hit. According to its reports, there is an additional 30-40% CPU performance hit with this new implementation.

Now we donít know whether this claim is true at all, so take it with a grain of salt. Unfortunately there is no way to test whether Denuvo causes this abnormally high CPU usage in Assassinís Creed: Origins. And thatís because if and when the game gets cracked, VMProtect and Denuvo will still run in the background. In short, and as with all Denuvo cracks, this will simply bypass the protections tools.



http://www.dsogaming.com/news/rumour...creed-origins/
Blam
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(10-30-2017, 02:20 AM)
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That's definitely not good to see.
Kimawolf
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(10-30-2017, 02:21 AM)
Ummm wow? Yeah This is horrid. I will have to check myself when?i get home.
MultiCore
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(10-30-2017, 02:22 AM)
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This is one of the top complaints about Denuvo, but it's been denied every time it's been brought up.

I'd be curious to see if he's able to bring forth any damning evidence.

Likewise, I wonder if customers will care.

I bought Doom before it was removed, the game was just so good. I'm sure this story will continue for quite a while.
Shifty.
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(10-30-2017, 02:37 AM)
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Originally Posted by MultiCore

This is one of the top complaints about Denuvo, but it's been denied every time it's been brought up

I think they're referring to the VMProtect implementation rather than the Denuvo implementation when talking about increased CPU usage, or the combination thereof if one is running on top of the other.

There's some additional info in this other topic on the subject.
Gamezone
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(10-30-2017, 02:39 AM)
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So pirates will eventually have the superior version?
Spukc
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(10-30-2017, 02:42 AM)
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Calm down guys don't jump to con-OOOH UBISOFT
Leonidas
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(10-30-2017, 02:56 AM)
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No wonder AMD GPUs are struggling in this game.
PalabragrŪs
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(10-30-2017, 02:56 AM)
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Awful if it's true. Especially since AC Origins is a very good game :/
ape2man
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(10-30-2017, 02:59 AM)
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Originally Posted by Leonidas

No wonder AMD GPUs are struggling in this game.

He? what has that to do with the cpu?
samar11
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(10-30-2017, 03:03 AM)
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Originally Posted by ape2man

He? what has that to do with the cpu?

Maybe his trying to say they are weak CPUs? lol
Renekton
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(10-30-2017, 03:05 AM)
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Originally Posted by Gamezone

So pirates will eventually have the superior version?

Hm according to the article, crack won't prevent VMProtect and Denuvo from still running
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(10-30-2017, 03:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by Gamezone

So pirates will eventually have the superior version?

Nope. Everyone takes the hit.
OfTheOverflow
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(10-30-2017, 03:08 AM)
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Something about cutting off the nose to spite the face?
KingV
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(10-30-2017, 03:10 AM)
Definitely waiting a few months on this. If it gets patched out, maybe...
Vigilant Walrus
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(10-30-2017, 03:16 AM)
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Does the game use all cores or is it single core count? Would be interesting to see if 6-8 core take a deeper hit than 4 core cpus with higher clocks!
gatti-man
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(10-30-2017, 03:18 AM)
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The more this stuff gets cracked the more robust anti piracy we will see. Cracking it only makes things worse.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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(10-30-2017, 03:23 AM)
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Originally Posted by ape2man

He? what has that to do with the cpu?

Amd DX11 drivers got hella CPU overhead.
SteelAttack
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(10-30-2017, 03:39 AM)
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If a crack can't prevent the thing from running, does it mean it is in the game's code or some shit?

Fuck Denuvo, fuck publishers that punish customers instead of adding value to their product in order to ensure legal copies are bought.
Sniffynose
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(10-30-2017, 03:40 AM)
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Fuck glad I got it on PS4. That's ridiculous 😂

Hopefully wolfenstien II isn't using that crap I'm grabbing it in a few weeks for PC o_o
Falchion
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(10-30-2017, 03:44 AM)
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Holy shit that is some ridiculous CPU overhead.
The_White_Rose
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(10-30-2017, 03:45 AM)
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Originally Posted by Sniffynose

Fuck glad I got it on PS4. That's ridiculous 😂

Hopefully wolfenstien II isn't using that crap I'm grabbing it in a few weeks for PC o_o

No Denuvo in Wolfenstein.

Source: http://www.dsogaming.com/news/wolfen...i-tamper-tech/
Woo-Fu
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(10-30-2017, 03:48 AM)
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Why does the topic say Denuvo when it is most likely VMProtect causing the overhead? Oh right, because somebody has an agenda that is easier to push with the DRM buzzword people are more familiar with. That's assuming this is true and not just one person making invalid assumptions, like every other performance claim vs. Denuvo.
MrTroubleMaker
(10-30-2017, 03:51 AM)
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dang :(
TheChewyWaffles
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(10-30-2017, 03:53 AM)
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Originally Posted by Woo-Fu

Why does the topic say Denuvo when it is most likely VMProtect causing the overhead? Oh right, because somebody has an agenda that is easier to push with the DRM buzzword people are more familiar with. That's assuming this is true and not just one person making invalid assumptions, like every other performance claim vs. Denuvo.

Denovo employee ^
Sniffynose
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(10-30-2017, 03:54 AM)
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Originally Posted by The_White_Rose

No Denuvo in Wolfenstein.

Source: http://www.dsogaming.com/news/wolfen...i-tamper-tech/

Thanks that's great news.
Woo-Fu
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(10-30-2017, 03:56 AM)
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Originally Posted by TheChewyWaffles

Denovo employee ^

^Another idiot making assumptions.

There isn't any reason for Denuvo to sway public opinion, the public aren't making the decisions, other than by continuing to buy software with DRM regardless of whatever negative impact inclusion of DRM has.

If SecurROM didn't cause an uprising, I doubt anything will. Denuvo is rather tame in comparison.
terencecah
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(10-30-2017, 04:12 AM)
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Originally Posted by Spukc

Calm down guys don't jump to con-OOOH UBISOFT

So tired of hearing this


Ubisoft has some of the best output of any publisher in the last five years

Stop parroting shit you donít even care about


And until I see hard evidence that Denuvo does anything toward performance Iím going to ignore it
DarkArterialGore
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(10-30-2017, 04:31 AM)
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I think I remember reading on Reddit awhile ago that Denuvo used to use VMProtect as part of it's obfuscation system but got into a row with VMProtect over licensing fees and Denuvo removed it from the next iteration which wasn't as secure against pirates.

So I'd imagine Ubisoft seen how quickly recent Denuvo games where being cracked and put 2 and 2 together and thought they'd attempt to replicate the older effective security mix that older variants had by utilizing both Denuvo+VMProtect but obviously it's not such an easy task for Ubi to make two security programs work nicely together if you don't have a complete understanding of the software like the Denuvo devs do which probably explains the poor CPU performance (although Ubisoft games normally stress CPU's pretty hard anyway because of the way their engine works).
WaterAstro
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(10-30-2017, 04:35 AM)
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Well, it's like back in the days where Ubisoft DRM needed to do constant online checks to see if the game is pirated. Pretty annoying.
zoobzone
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(10-30-2017, 04:59 AM)
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It's the AMD/Intel's agenda to push multithreading and high CPU consumption thus they employed Ubisoft to use the new denuvo. Because how else are you going to be mega-tasking? /s
HamsterExAstris
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(10-30-2017, 05:20 AM)

Originally Posted by zoobzone

It's the AMD/Intel's agenda to push multithreading and high CPU consumption thus they employed Ubisoft to use the new denuvo. Because how else are you going to be mega-tasking? /s

Well. Intel, maybe. Last I checked AMD was still pretty crap at multithreading...
NeOak
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(10-30-2017, 05:23 AM)
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Originally Posted by HamsterExAstris

Well. Intel, maybe. Last I checked AMD was still pretty crap at multithreading...

Ryzen says hi.
Dirk Benedict
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(10-30-2017, 05:24 AM)
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Originally Posted by Spukc

Calm down guys don't jump to con-OOOH UBISOFT

Jumping on Denuvo, not Ubi. But Ubi should be blamed if they knew about this performance hike due to anti tamper tech.
Alexander DeLarge
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(10-30-2017, 06:02 AM)
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Can't wait to see the cracked versus not cracked benchmarks.

Originally Posted by Woo-Fu

Why does the topic say Denuvo when it is most likely VMProtect causing the overhead? Oh right, because somebody has an agenda that is easier to push with the DRM buzzword people are more familiar with. That's assuming this is true and not just one person making invalid assumptions, like every other performance claim vs. Denuvo.

There's more than enough legitimate criticism of Denuvo to condemn it for without resorting to misinformation at this point. Poor performance is just taking the piss at this point.

Ubisoft can fuck themselves for using something that is completely useless after the first 24-48 hours at best and a ticking time bomb in the worst case scenario.
Alexious
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(10-30-2017, 07:45 AM)
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Beside the fact that these are mere allegations for now with no evidence, the fact remains that this is a good port. Its high CPU usage can be easily explained with the huge open world filled with dynamic AI.

I'm not even sure why you would care about high CPU usage as long as the frame rate is fine, really, which it is with the exception of AMD cards - but that's a GPU issue and one likely related to poor driver optimization on AMD's part.
kabel
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(10-30-2017, 07:56 AM)

Originally Posted by HamsterExAstris

Well. Intel, maybe. Last I checked AMD was still pretty crap at multithreading...

Ryzen???


Was the last time you checked a year ago or what?
Neizel
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(10-30-2017, 08:03 AM)

Originally Posted by Alexious

Beside the fact that these are mere allegations for now with no evidence, the fact remains that this is a good port. Its high CPU usage can be easily explained with the huge open world filled with dynamic AI.

I'm not even sure why you would care about high CPU usage as long as the frame rate is fine, really, which it is with the exception of AMD cards - but that's a GPU issue and one likely related to poor driver optimization on AMD's part.

You think is normal to have at 90-95% of a 7700K at 4.7ghz with all 4 cores and 8 threads to get framerates dropping to 50s when in consoles you have 5 cores at 1/3 of the speed and 50% less IPC getting 30 stable? (we know the drops are GPU related)

And yes, people with high refresh rate displays really care about this.
Wishmaster92
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(10-30-2017, 08:48 AM)
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my god that is scary.
Social
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(10-30-2017, 08:52 AM)
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Since the game has yet to be cracked, it's doing something right in the eyes of Ubisoft.
ffvorax
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(10-30-2017, 09:24 AM)
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lol...?

Really why they still use Denuvo? For dayone sales?
General Lee
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(10-30-2017, 09:25 AM)
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Oh look, a game that hasn't been cracked yet, so the next thing to do is claim it's being slowed down by the protection. Never heard this one before...
WaterAstro
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(10-30-2017, 09:26 AM)
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Originally Posted by ffvorax

lol...?

Really why they still use Denuvo? For dayone sales?

They want to convert pirates who can't wait for the crack into customers. It's more important than the gameplay lol.
zeomax
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(10-30-2017, 09:26 AM)
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Ubi uses VMProtect to protect Denuvo so that Denuvo can protect their Game?
gustave154
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(10-30-2017, 11:01 AM)
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Lmao do they really think this denuvo can stop the pirates. I feel like they are hurting their customers instead.
luca_29_bg
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(10-30-2017, 11:34 AM)
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Originally Posted by zeomax

Ubi uses VMProtect to protect Denuvo so that Denuvo can protect their Game?

Basically 😂😂😂
snausagesUK
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(10-30-2017, 11:37 AM)

Originally Posted by MultiCore

This is one of the top complaints about Denuvo, but it's been denied every time it's been brought up.

I'd be curious to see if he's able to bring forth any damning evidence.

Likewise, I wonder if customers will care.

I bought Doom before it was removed, the game was just so good. I'm sure this story will continue for quite a while.

This implementation is different to all those others tho.

Also this is kind of a non-trival spike in CPU usage. People who might be CPU bound are definitely going to care.

Doom was very frugal I thought with its requirements. Only major downside was the internet verification part of Denuvo.
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(10-30-2017, 11:40 AM)
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dr_rus
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(10-30-2017, 11:42 AM)
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So he can't trace anything but he can say for sure that it's 30-40% of CPU (whole CPU? which CPU?) usage?

Honestly, these allegations from people who want to get games for free is becoming a little silly at this point. Let me remind all of you that so far we have ZERO proof that Denuvo or VMProtect is causing any performance issues.
ńlg
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(10-30-2017, 12:33 PM)
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Rumour

Lots of people missing this part.

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