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QVT
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(04-14-2007, 09:33 AM)
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Originally Posted by Vrolokus

Why are we comparing it to those games - isn't Too Human more of an action RPG?

(8 minutes to go... 68%)

He looks stuck in molasses. Thats why. No reason to have him move THAT slow. Beyond that, on my second watch through of the camera section, it looks ****ing perfect. Make him move faster to avoid failure!

Note: Slower than WoW, very very ****ing slow walking. The movement is so fast compared to the walking.


Yes, it has changed the way i think about games. Interconnected character through trilogy? hawt. 4 player co-op = so ****ing mindboggling i have no idea how its going to be implemented in a semi-linear game(unless its just more people with you through the linearness)

Second Edit: There are times when the character runs faster than other times. Is that an upgradeable thing?
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(04-14-2007, 09:34 AM)
Why can't they just put up a regular ****ing preview.
goldenpp72
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(04-14-2007, 09:34 AM)
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So far my only problem is the framerate (looks choppy) and the texture detail in some areas, but it's definately come a long way. Of course i've only gotten like 1/3 the way.
Karma Kramer
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(04-14-2007, 09:35 AM)
Wow...

I actually gotta say I am really impressed. I am watching it again right now... but it is defiantly looking awesome.
duffey
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(04-14-2007, 09:36 AM)
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The melee combat still looks a tad bit stiff but I'll believe the disclaimer and hopefully that'll get worked out in the end. It looks lightyears beyond the E3 demo and seems quite promising now. As far as changing the way I think about games? I doubt it'll do quite that, but it should be a fun Diablo-ish kinda game though.
Ash_69
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(04-14-2007, 09:36 AM)
Well this sounds promising...
Shame I've gotta wait another hour till its downloaded.:lol
Gona go revise for my taxation exam now and return in time for the mayhem.
sevenchaos
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(04-14-2007, 09:36 AM)
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It looks good. I'm mostly excited for the online coop.

Originally Posted by GhaleonEB

Has it changed the way you think about games?

:lol
MickeyKnox
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(04-14-2007, 09:37 AM)
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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

The game that will change the way you think about games indeed.

Visual are OK, good cutscenes but terrible gameplay stuff.
Seriously this has to be a joke, who can look at the combat footage and think "YEAH! THIS IS AWESOME" seriously, fire your animators and start from scratch.
BboyDubC
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(04-14-2007, 09:37 AM)
OMG Denis, they released your game, and it's TERRIBLE! ZOMG, why did you make us wait, TERRIBLE!

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puebla
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(04-14-2007, 09:38 AM)
looks hot. it's come a long way since the last time i saw it.
Bad_Boy
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(04-14-2007, 09:38 AM)
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I like the way they are going with the build your character up, especially with the co-op and online thrown in. Graphics are nice, though environments seem a little empty (not a big deal though, plenty of time left). Not sure how I feel about right analog combat, sounds like something Kudo would do to make things seem more "intuitive". I guess you can't call it a button masher then. ;) I can see where the god of war in the future feeling comes from, but it seems to have a grander scale with the rpg elements.

I'll be keeping an eye out on this. But it definitely has not changed the way I think about games. :lol
QVT
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(04-14-2007, 09:39 AM)
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Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

The game that will change the way you think about games indeed.

Visual are OK, good cutscenes but terrible gameplay stuff.
Seriously this has to be a joke, who can look at the combat footage and think "YEAH! THIS IS AWESOME" seriously, fire your animators and start from scratch.

Too many smilies. Point me towards a game with better graphics.

Whats bad about the combat? We've gone over it, a bit here and there where the framerate goes down, and a bit of stiffness.

Did you watch the ending, the camera section, or just the beginning?
goldenpp72
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(04-14-2007, 09:39 AM)
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yeah the game has this bulky stiffness to it that bothers me a lot, id really like denis to actually look at what's wrong with this build and tell us if they will remedy it.

I see a lot of great things here though, so i'm not gonna bitch :)
SpacLock
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(04-14-2007, 09:39 AM)
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Looks ****ing great. Everything sounds great. I can't wait.
Choabac
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(04-14-2007, 09:41 AM)
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In the video they showed off the class selection screen. The classes are:

Berserker
Defender
Champion
Commando
Bioengineer

All and all the game looks great, but not genre defining. But then again the video mostly showed off just combat, camera and movement. Not too much of the RPG side.
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Sean
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(04-14-2007, 09:42 AM)
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Early impressions seem promising, that's definitely good to hear :)

My download will be done in a few minutes, can't wait.
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(04-14-2007, 09:43 AM)
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Looking really good, the animation is still a bit choppy, looks as if there are no transitional animations between different attacks but that could just be due to it's early nature.
GreekWolf
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(04-14-2007, 09:43 AM)
Ok I've finally made it all the way through. The last few segments are HOT! Visuals are an absolute treat. Mouth-watering good.. as in I REALLY can't wait to play this! :D

Lair looks good too, though I think there's still quite a bit of work to be done if they're shooting for a summer release. It just has a quality about it that looks a bit janky... can't put my finger on it exactly.
Thunderbear
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(04-14-2007, 09:43 AM)
Meh... graphics range from ok to great in parts.

Animation is horrendous which kills the gameplay feel for me.
White Man
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(04-14-2007, 09:43 AM)
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It. . . looks like Too Hunman. Looking decent. The little gameplay shown appears kinda choppy. I'm hoping there's more. Give us a release date!
MbGCaM
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(04-14-2007, 09:43 AM)
Holy shit. UPGRADETON indeed. It looks really promising: nice graphics, good cutscenes, awesome camera and finally the combat seems fun to me.

Good job DD.
QVT
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(04-14-2007, 09:46 AM)
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Originally Posted by White Man

Give us a release date!

Give us a release date!
BboyDubC
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(04-14-2007, 09:46 AM)
This also looks to be the first time that IGN released an IGN weekly version that was 640x360 and wasnt only to insiders. This will for once not be straight crap quality. Gamevideos caliber for once. Maybe Denis dropped the bomb and said he at least wanted people to be able to tell what was going on if they were unveiling his video, and NOT just the Insiders.

or they are trying to somehow appease us for it being over 5 hrs late
dirtmonkey37
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(04-14-2007, 09:46 AM)

Originally Posted by HydrantC12

OK. I just got through it. It looked great. I was impressed. The only thing iffy right now is the combat. It didn't seem to 'flow" just right. Hopefully their will be more videos so I can see the combat more in action. I loved the presentation though.

Yeah. But now you can really see the potential of the game --the combat looks sick (I'm sorry I had to resort to "dude"-like words).

It has that epic feel, with the camera pulsing and the amazing in-air combos! Jesus!

To everyone watching this. If you've downloaded it, I recommend that you watch it twice. The first time I saw it (the combat portions), I thought "cool...eh," but the second time, for some odd, out-of-this-world reason, it just clicked and the game quickly became my most anticipated 360 game

Christ, that was amazing. Sorry Alan Wake, you're going under the radar --Too Human's on top now! HOLY crap.

Only problem I have, and it's a very, very minor one, is the walking animation still looks...a bit stiff. Other than that, it's perfect (well, yeah, the framerate could be a bit better smoother in some areas, but that's not something to complain about as it's going to be ironed out by release. The framerate problems are just so minute, it's not a big deal).

Denis, I hope you have a big smile across your face now!
Grimm Fandango
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(04-14-2007, 09:47 AM)
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Gameplay is meh right now. Not fluid enough.

But the presentation and art is pretty good.
MickeyKnox
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(04-14-2007, 09:49 AM)
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Originally Posted by QVT

Too many smilies. Point me towards a game with better graphics.

Whats bad about the combat? We've gone over it, a bit here and there where the framerate goes down, and a bit of stiffness.

Did you watch the ending, the camera section, or just the beginning?

Just to clarify I never hold frame rate against a game in previews so my comments were directed at the combat while giving a freepass to the slowdown.

The reason for all the smilies is that the combat looks ridiculous, the animations are beyond stiff and the snap-on warping nature of it makes it even worse.

For those of you who are still downloading picture this: a group of enemies around you, lock on and speed warp to one, plant your feet, flail your sword around (with just your arm moving, the rest of your body is frozen in place, enemy dies you automatically are zoomed to the next guy and repeat the process of standing still in front of him flailing your arm with the sword at him.

And the gunplay is just as bad but at least it's a bit easier to swallow the lack of motion in the character when firing a gun vs swinging a sword.
dirtmonkey37
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(04-14-2007, 09:50 AM)

Originally Posted by duffey

The melee combat still looks a tad bit stiff but I'll believe the disclaimer and hopefully that'll get worked out in the end. It looks lightyears beyond the E3 demo and seems quite promising now. As far as changing the way I think about games? I doubt it'll do quite that, but it should be a fun Diablo-ish kinda game though.

Yeah, I think the reason it was stiff is almost entirely because of the framerate and a few tiny kinks in the animations that they're gonna work out. Other than that, the game just made me **** my pants.

On the other hand, I can understand the negative responses. To those individuals, I highly recommend watching the video a second time. You've got to be blind not to see the amazing potential here.
QVT
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(04-14-2007, 09:51 AM)
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Originally Posted by Grimm Fandango

Gameplay is meh right now. Not fluid enough.

But the presentation and art is pretty good.

The sad thing is that right afterwards, Lair is the greatest looking game I've ever seen.

I think DD gets it. Fluidity is key. Faster walking speed, more fluid movement, improved frame rate, and A RELEASE DATE, the sooner the better.
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(04-14-2007, 09:52 AM)
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Sean
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(04-14-2007, 09:54 AM)
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Watching now, graphics are hawt.


Hy_
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(04-14-2007, 09:55 AM)
The fighting animation looked stiff. Not sure if it's completely open like DMC/NG/GoW or the next evolution in KOTOR's fighting engine.

Framerate hiccups but I'm sure it won't be a problem. Usually gets worked out through optimization.

Overall I feel meh about it. Sure it will be a good game, liking the loot whore aspect of it.
GreekWolf
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(04-14-2007, 09:55 AM)

Originally Posted by QVT

The sad thing is that right afterwards, Lair is the greatest looking game I've ever seen.

I thought that too... until they shifted from cut scenes to actual gameplay. Still holding out hope though that it'll be as impressive as everyone is expecting by the time it ships. It needs to be good, dammit.
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(04-14-2007, 09:56 AM)
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To echo some sentiments:

Ideas are solid. Camera looks pretty cool. Visuals are good-great, depending. Battle has potential, but somethng's... wrong.

In short, I think the core of the battle issues are:

1) Animation. Stiff, stilted, disconnected from the world. Really needs work. There doesn't seem to be ANY power, or inertia in any weapon movements.

2) Enemy reactions. Due to 1, it looks like you simply cut through air near an enemy, and they slowly fly away, gravity free. Again, weight, inertia, and power aren't translated in this at all.

It's a mix of everything. The effects, the animation, the sound, and the enemy reactions.

Ah well, I think it's solid enough to be beyond the usual "omg canned lol" danger zone, but my whole gaming life hasn't been a lie, thus far. :)
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(04-14-2007, 09:57 AM)
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The guy has that NFL2k stick in the ass run animation. Other than that, I'm happy with it
MirageDwarf
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(04-14-2007, 09:58 AM)
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Most probably it is locked at 30 fps. That's why character movement looks slow.

It definitely looks good. World is huge.
Krowley
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(04-14-2007, 10:00 AM)
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Concept = Awesome... I love the fact that this is an RPG. All those aspects sound really cool. All that stuff Should add tons of replay factor. The camera also seems to function well. It sounds like the world will be huge with exploration as a big part of the expierience and i'm liking the sound of that.

ART = Mouth watering. Very impressed with the archetecture and the epic vibe.

Combat = I was not blown away... It may feel great to play, but the combat definitly doesn't look that cool and doesn't seem very fluid. It's in the acceptable range when you consider all the other things the game is supposed to be offering, but this does not seem to rival DMC/NG/GOW when it comes to combat. Don't get me wrong... The combat looks pretty fun, but it isn't mind blowing or anything. You get the feeling that it's not as big an emphasis as it is in games like ninja gaiden... Maybe more like a zelda game where the combat is there to break up the adventuring and add some challenge. The combat's obviously a lot deeper than a zelda game, but it's not good enough to be the games main focus or anything. That's the vibe i got when watching the video.

If they expect this to be more of an RPG/adventure than an action/brawler, then the combat will be alright... Maybe even exceptional for that genre... If they expect to make combat the main focus and put it up against games like ninja gaiden or god of war, then they need to work on it.
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Sean
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(04-14-2007, 10:00 AM)
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goldenpp72
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(04-14-2007, 10:02 AM)
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what does the back button thing say? something about a camera?
GhaleonEB
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(04-14-2007, 10:03 AM)
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Graphics were pretty incredible. I'm nervous about the combat, both in design and control, though. Hopefully they do a demo so I can be sold on that.

Loved the artwork - immense, diverse environments, lots of interesting character designs. Some things like animation, especially running, need to come a ways but I'm not going to nitpick a work in progress. The broad strokes look great.

But alas, I've tried to think of how it will change the way I think about games - no luck so far. It just looks like a very good game.
n0b
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(04-14-2007, 10:03 AM)
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Graphics look great, but damn the gameplay looks pretty bad. It looks like they took the great action games of last gen and slowed it down(Which makes sense, as playing a fast action game with analog stick for attacks just doesn't seem like it would work at all), and then got rid of any style and depth those games had.
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(04-14-2007, 10:04 AM)

Originally Posted by goldenpp72

what does the back button thing say? something about a camera?

Free Look, i'm pretty sure
Rlan
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(04-14-2007, 10:04 AM)
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Those NPCs look rediculously awkward, and he stole Jango's Armour!
Sean
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(04-14-2007, 10:04 AM)
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Originally Posted by goldenpp72

what does the back button thing say? something about a camera?

"Free Look - Press and Hold with right analog stick"
Vrolokus
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(04-14-2007, 10:05 AM)

Originally Posted by goldenpp72

what does the back button thing say? something about a camera?

"Free Look", I think.
QVT
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(04-14-2007, 10:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by Rlan



Those NPCs look rediculously awkward, and he stole Jango's Armour!

:lol at the guy on the left looking exactly like the guy on the right
Tieno
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(04-14-2007, 10:06 AM)
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I'm 6 minutes in (rest is downloadingÓ. The presentation looks very good. I LOVE the different environments, this is why I like playing games. Being in impressive, beautiful environments.
Music is cool.

Not sold on combat/animation. Will need more polish.
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(04-14-2007, 10:07 AM)
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Originally Posted by goldenpp72

what does the back button thing say? something about a camera?


free look

d-pad controls the spider

Left analog is movement

left trigger fires secondary
Right trig is primary

left bumper is activate ruiners
right is jump

y is second battle cry
b is dodge roll
a is jump
x is battle cry 1

Right analog is direct melee action
direct ranged when (it gets blurry when I zoom in) combined(?) with left trigger
click the R analog and it will . . . can't make it out
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Sean
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(04-14-2007, 10:09 AM)
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this one is begging to be photoshopped:
Timedog
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(04-14-2007, 10:10 AM)
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Wow, looks great. I even think the combat looks cool. Lair.....not so great.
Grimm Fandango
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(04-14-2007, 10:10 AM)
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One thing that did seem off is that the characters don armor and wield swords... and yet the technology is incredibly advanced. The scene in the drop ship stands out specifically right before the 9 minute mark; it doesn't fit in very well with the characters.

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