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Jtwo
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(07-31-2009, 03:52 AM)
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Yeah, I use a custom theme and happen to think it's quite a bit better than the default one.
I HATE the GIGANTIC CANDY GLOSSED icons. They anger me. The labels also bug the hell out of me, it makes the screen seem waaaayyyy too busy.

I also don't think it's really about "amateurs thinking they're better at UI design than proffessionals" It's just whatever works best for you.

http://i25.************/2gtbyf7.jpg

Whatever has the least clutter is best for me, so I use smaller matte icons and no labels.
Gary Whitta
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(07-31-2009, 03:56 AM)
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Originally Posted by Jtwo

:lol

Also the temperature badge on the weather icon is totally inappropriate. It makes me think I've got 99 weather alerts or something.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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(07-31-2009, 03:58 AM)
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Originally Posted by Husker86

Oh Jesus....

It seems like a hyperbolic fanboy statement, but really, who else is there? Stephan Hoefnagels is shaking shit up at Microsoft with the new Office and Windows 7 looks, at least.
Blackhead
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(07-31-2009, 04:00 AM)

Originally Posted by Liquid Helium

The problem with themes is that they (obviously) don't change most of the icons for your apps, and then you end up with it looking really inconsistent.

Well it depends on the theme. Some popular ones, like matte nano and illumine posted above, have over a thousand icons already available and you can find communities where requests, for icons missing in your collection, are swiftly fulfilled. Not to mention that many themes come with app icon overlays (working with winterboard) that adjust every icon, on the fly, without a proper replacement in your set.

The problem you mentioned will only be encountered if one downloads loads of new apps often and the theme used is unpopular/poorly supported.

Originally Posted by Gary Whitta

Why is the stamp on the back of the envelope?

*burn* :lol
Proteus
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(07-31-2009, 04:03 AM)
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Originally Posted by OverHeat

Order mine last week and got it on monday you got screwed.

There's a huge thread over at RFD with people waiting as long or longer than me. Did you order a 32gb 3gs over the phone or on the website?
Husker86
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(07-31-2009, 04:07 AM)
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Originally Posted by Liu Kang Baking A Pie

It seems like a hyperbolic fanboy statement, but really, who else is there? Stephan Hoefnagels is shaking shit up at Microsoft with the new Office and Windows 7 looks, at least.

It's not necessarily the "best GUI designers in the world part" it's the fact that the theme is a black background with icons...it's not exactly something that one would think took a whole lot of geniuses sitting in a room for years to come up with.

I understand that the GUI is more than the main theme, but I'm assuming (never messed with them myself) that custom themes leave the other part of the GUI (navigation within native apps, etc.) in tact; so in reality, we're just discussing the looks of the app launcher part of the GUI, which again, the stock one isn't something so spectacular that it would warrant a response such as the one previously quoted.
OverHeat
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(07-31-2009, 04:13 AM)
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Originally Posted by DoctorWho

There's a huge thread over at RFD with people waiting as long or longer than me. Did you order a 32gb 3gs over the phone or on the website?


By phone ordered the 3gs 32gb it was an upgrade from my 8gb 3g for 299$
mrkgoo
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(07-31-2009, 04:14 AM)

Originally Posted by Liquid Helium

The problem with themes is that they (obviously) don't change most of the icons for your apps, and then you end up with it looking really inconsistent.

To be fair, it's not like the default iPhone app icons are all that consistent either.

Yeah, I use a custom theme and happen to think it's quite a bit better than the default one.
I HATE the GIGANTIC CANDY GLOSSED icons. They anger me. The labels also bug the hell out of me, it makes the screen seem waaaayyyy too busy.

I also don't think it's really about "amateurs thinking they're better at UI design than proffessionals" It's just whatever works best for you.

http://i25.************/2gtbyf7.jpg

Whatever has the least clutter is best for me, so I use smaller matte icons and no labels.

No text for less clutter is ok, but the icons look horribly tiny and unbalanced - too much negative space. Aesthetic design is NOT purely subjective. There are objective rules to design.
LCfiner
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(07-31-2009, 04:31 AM)
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the only totally radical custom theme I have ever seen is this:





it was posted a few months back and then posted again in the google OS thread today.

ugly, sure, but I can't stop laughing at the sheer joyfulness of it all.
Tobor
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(07-31-2009, 04:38 AM)
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I love that one for it's sheer bat shit lunacy, LC, but Mail bothers me. He should be holding an envelope, dammit!
RubxQub
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(07-31-2009, 04:42 AM)
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Originally Posted by Tobor

I love that one for it's sheer bat shit lunacy, LC, but Mail bothers me. He should be holding an envelope, dammit!

I think he's going for "Male", but I agree. It's not entirely obvious what he's going for with that one.
Tobor
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(07-31-2009, 04:43 AM)
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Originally Posted by RubxQub

I think he's going for "Male", but I agree. It's not entirely obvious what he's going for with that one.

Ahhh. That sailed right over my head, apparently.
LCfiner
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(07-31-2009, 04:45 AM)
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Originally Posted by Tobor

I love that one for it's sheer bat shit lunacy, LC, but Mail bothers me. He should be holding an envelope, dammit!


shit, you're right! this is worse than the stamp on the back of the envelope on that other theme! :lol

Originally Posted by RubxQub

I think he's going for "Male", but I agree. It's not entirely obvious what he's going for with that one.

then he should have his thumbs pointed toward himself, Fonze-stylin'.
Jet Grind Radio!
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(07-31-2009, 04:46 AM)
I dunno. I got the whole mail/male thing. It tickled me.
Tobor
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(07-31-2009, 04:47 AM)
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Originally Posted by LCfiner

shit, you're right! this is worse than the stamp on the back of the envelope on that other theme! :lol



then he should have his thumbs pointed toward himself, Fonze-stylin'.

That would have done it. So close to perfection. :lol
layzie1989
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(07-31-2009, 04:52 AM)
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[IMG]http://i28.************/34rcbpf.jpg[/IMG]

simple and clean.
itxaka
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(07-31-2009, 01:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by itxaka

Is there a lot of difference between a 16Gb and a 32Gb? How big are the games/apps/etc?
.

Anyone please?
Mik2121
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(07-31-2009, 01:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by itxaka

Anyone please?

Most games aren't really big. Probably between 1 and 50mb, most of them under 35mb actually. Then again, music should probably take up most of your space, at least it does for me. I have an 8gb 1st gen iPod Touch and I have right now only 5Gb of music (I have lots of music I barely listen so I just un-checked them so they don't get copied on my iPod), 1Gb for apps, 1 Gb still free for more apps and the rest for videos and pics.


I'm checking some games...

Minigore - 15Mb
Inifinte Gene - 22.1Mb
Pawapuro Touch - 38.9Mb
Resident Evil 4 - 37.3Mb
Baseball Sluggers 3D - 26Mb
Flight Control - 8.7Mb
Rope'n'Fly - 0.9Mb
I dig it - 9.5Mb

etc..
Y2Kev
TLG Fan Caretaker Est. 2009
(07-31-2009, 01:39 PM)
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I dunno, themeing just reminds me of people who used to hack skins into OS X back in 10.1 and 10.2. A classic scheme because OS 9 was so much kewler, for example.

I got MobileMe set up yesterday, so now I have Push email finally. But I can't figure out how to get it to reply with my primary email and not with mobileme. I'm thinking it might be my primary email. When I set the SMTP server to gmail, it sends as gmail. When I set it as my primary domain, it still shows as @me.com.

I refuse to have it say @ME.COM in my emails, so I'll just stick with gmail...not better, but at least it will also show up on my computer.
roosters93
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(07-31-2009, 01:54 PM)

Originally Posted by Jtwo

Yeah, I use a custom theme and happen to think it's quite a bit better than the default one.
I HATE the GIGANTIC CANDY GLOSSED icons. They anger me. The labels also bug the hell out of me, it makes the screen seem waaaayyyy too busy.

I also don't think it's really about "amateurs thinking they're better at UI design than proffessionals" It's just whatever works best for you.

http://i25.************/2gtbyf7.jpg

Whatever has the least clutter is best for me, so I use smaller matte icons and no labels.

See this theme and the Illumine theme, I can get behind.
Every other theme seems to over complicates things or there's no continuity.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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(07-31-2009, 02:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by Husker86

It's not necessarily the "best GUI designers in the world part" it's the fact that the theme is a black background with icons...it's not exactly something that one would think took a whole lot of geniuses sitting in a room for years to come up with.

It probably did. Simple doesn't always come easy.
I should be doing hw
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(07-31-2009, 02:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by hoqhuuep

C'mon guys, not all themes are bad...

[IMG]http://i28.************/3rlom.jpg[/IMG]

What theme is this?

Originally Posted by layzie1989

[IMG]http://i28.************/34rcbpf.jpg[/IMG]

simple and clean.

And this?
LCfiner
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(07-31-2009, 03:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by layzie1989

[IMG]http://i28.************/34rcbpf.jpg[/IMG]

simple and clean.


I do like this one. but I don't know why the word "standard" is under the weather channel icon. did the user change it himself? bug?
twofold
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(07-31-2009, 03:32 PM)
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I'm using this theme at the moment -

[img]http://i26.************/2qwpyz6.jpg[/img]

It's not perfect, but I like it.
Sh0k
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(07-31-2009, 03:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by itxaka

Anyone please?

I don't know how big is the operating system in the iPhone, but based on my 16GB iPod Touch 2nd Gen, I have the following installed :

1,138 Songs
31 videos including 3 full length movies : WallE, Dark Knight and Nightmare Before Christmas
193 Pictures
129 Apps

And I still have 3GB left :D

So depending what are you installing in the iPhone, I will say 16GB is more than enough.
Duane Cunningham
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(07-31-2009, 04:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by LCfiner

I do like this one. but I don't know why the word "standard" is under the weather channel icon. did the user change it himself? bug?

That's not related to the theme; the TWC app added a premium version in May called "The Weather Channel Max" and now the original, free one has the word "Standard" under it.
itxaka
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(07-31-2009, 04:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mik2121

Most games aren't really big. Probably between 1 and 50mb, most of them under 35mb actually. Then again, music should probably take up most of your space, at least it does for me. I have an 8gb 1st gen iPod Touch and I have right now only 5Gb of music (I have lots of music I barely listen so I just un-checked them so they don't get copied on my iPod), 1Gb for apps, 1 Gb still free for more apps and the rest for videos and pics.


I'm checking some games...

Minigore - 15Mb
Inifinte Gene - 22.1Mb
Pawapuro Touch - 38.9Mb
Resident Evil 4 - 37.3Mb
Baseball Sluggers 3D - 26Mb
Flight Control - 8.7Mb
Rope'n'Fly - 0.9Mb
I dig it - 9.5Mb

etc..

wow, thanks a lot I guess I could do with a 16gb as I don't really listen to a lot of music (and probably will be using spotify if it's released) and that seems to be the bigger space taker.


I don't know how big is the operating system in the iPhone, but based on my 16GB iPod Touch 2nd Gen, I have the following installed :

1,138 Songs
31 videos including 3 full length movies : WallE, Dark Knight and Nightmare Before Christmas
193 Pictures
129 Apps

And I still have 3GB left

So depending what are you installing in the iPhone, I will say 16GB is more than enough.


Same, thanks!

I definitely will go with the 16gb, by the time I fill the 4g will be coming out already :lol
LCfiner
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(07-31-2009, 04:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by Duane Cunningham

That's not related to the theme; the TWC app added a premium version in May called "The Weather Channel Max" and now the original, free one has the word "Standard" under it.


smh. so dumb.

thanks for the insight, tho.
samven582
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(07-31-2009, 04:36 PM)
[QUOTE=Charred Greyface]:lol ok all you theme haters need to calm the fuck down.

Not everything Apple touches turns to gold. The default dock is distinctively disturbing.

Not everybody who makes a theme is an amateur. Some are [obviously] professional designers themselves.

[IMG]http://i28.************/5oypes.jpg[/IMG]

this one of the best themes I ever seen to date!
mrkgoo
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(07-31-2009, 04:38 PM)
That is stupid. But what I think is even more stupid are apps that have the name in the icon and then it writes it underneath again.
TheGreatDave
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(07-31-2009, 04:43 PM)
I used to use Winterboard (is that it's name?) to take that horrible grey background away from the bottom icons, and it looked much nicer.
Tobor
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(07-31-2009, 04:46 PM)
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Custom themes are either so close to the official theme that they defeat the purpose or so ugly they need to be wiped from the Earth.

I've never seen one worth Jailbreaking, and I doubt I ever will.
dallow_bg
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(07-31-2009, 05:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by Tobor

Custom themes are either so close to the official theme that they defeat the purpose or so ugly they need to be wiped from the Earth.

I've never seen one worth Jailbreaking, and I doubt I ever will.

Simply removing the gray bar for the icons on the bottom row makes all the difference to me. I hate that. Makes the space seem smaller.

I also changed the weather icon to be dynamic and update every hour. (but it doesn't give me badge alerts like one shown previously.
Weather changes constantly here and I like looking at my phone and checking the temp on the status bar.

My standard screen.

I also use the 5 icon dock with settings added to it, but removed it for the pic as to avoid upsetting most of you.

[IMG]http://i30.************/20qdwyp.jpg[/IMG]
Dapperk
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(07-31-2009, 05:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by itxaka

wow, thanks a lot I guess I could do with a 16gb as I don't really listen to a lot of music (and probably will be using spotify if it's released) and that seems to be the bigger space taker.





Same, thanks!

I definitely will go with the 16gb, by the time I fill the 4g will be coming out already :lol

The only probably you might face is if you are into the adventure games like Myst or Monkey Island which take up a nice chunk of space.
Tobor
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(07-31-2009, 05:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by dallow_bg

Simply removing the gray bar for the icons on the bottom row makes all the difference to me. I hate that. Makes the space seem smaller.

I also changed the weather icon to be dynamic and update every hour. (but it doesn't give me badge alerts like one shown previously.
Weather changes constantly here and I like looking at my phone and checking the temp on the status bar.

My standard screen.

I also use the 5 icon dock with settings added to it, but removed it for the pic as to avoid upsetting most of you.

http://i30.************/20qdwyp.jpg[/IMG]

If you like it, that's awesome, but it does nothing for me. I still see nothing worth messing around with jailbreaking, for me personally. The phone does what I need it to do a daily basis, effectively, and I like the way the interface works.

I don't run any icon swaps or themes on my Macbook either, so I guess I'm plain vanilla man.
RubxQub
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(07-31-2009, 05:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by Tobor

If you like it, that's awesome, but it does nothing for me. I still see nothing worth messing around with jailbreaking, for me personally. The phone does what I need it to do a daily basis, effectively, and I like the way the interface works.

I don't run any icon swaps or themes on my Macbook either, so I guess I'm plain vanilla man.

The only appealing jailbreak feature that I've heard anyone mention is the removal of the 10MB over 3G cap.

Something like a $2 program that makes the iPhone always think it's using WiFi when in reality it's using 3G.

Other than that, I'm not compelled to do it.
dallow_bg
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(07-31-2009, 05:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by RubxQub

The only appealing jailbreak feature that I've heard anyone mention is the removal of the 10MB over 3G cap.

Something like a $2 program that makes the iPhone always think it's using WiFi when in reality it's using 3G.

Other than that, I'm not compelled to do it.

Yeah, I don't use the jailbreak for much.

1. 10mb limit removal.
2. Scrobble my music live.
3. Ever so slightly tweak the interface. (remove gray dock, remove slide indicator on lock screen)
4. (rare) Use Skype over 3G

And that's pretty much it.
I used to play SCUMM games but eh, don't really use my phone for games.
DaCocoBrova
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(07-31-2009, 05:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by LCfiner

the only totally radical custom theme I have ever seen is this:


I guess you've never seen the 'reveal' theme...

Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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(07-31-2009, 05:55 PM)
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I lol'ed.
jonnybryce
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(07-31-2009, 06:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by DaCocoBrova

I guess you've never seen the 'reveal' theme...

This is the best theme I have ever seen and I would consider jailbreaking for it.

Wow.
Duardo
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(07-31-2009, 07:00 PM)

Originally Posted by Nazgul_Hunter

I love my theme



+ I also love Tris, the best version of Tetris on the iPhone (sadly, got pulled because of EA)

<3 Tris! I go it right before it was pulled. Saddens me that the global high scoreboard doesn't work. What's your high score? Mine's 173,372.
Woodsy
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(07-31-2009, 07:00 PM)
Can anyone advise on swapping SIM cards if I upgrade my 2G to a 3G? Once upgraded, can I just pop that SIM back into the 2G and have it work?

I have reason to do this, FYI.
Gary Whitta
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(07-31-2009, 07:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by Husker86

It's not necessarily the "best GUI designers in the world part" it's the fact that the theme is a black background with icons...it's not exactly something that one would think took a whole lot of geniuses sitting in a room for years to come up with.

The point being that Apple's designers understand that simplicity works best. All these custom themes do is obfuscate things with distracting backgrounds and icons that are trying to be too clever for the sake of it. It's placing the designer's own self-indulgence ahead of what actually works for the user. Apple's designers understand that when it comes to GUI design and appearance, less if often more. Most amateurs don't get this basic concept, and that's painfully evidenced in so many of the eyeball-fucking homebrew themes you see.
Gary Whitta
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(07-31-2009, 07:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by twofold

I'm using this theme at the moment -

[img]http://i26.************/2qwpyz6.jpg[/img]

It's not perfect, but I like it.

This one is poor. Why is the App Store logo a radio dial? How are the Photos, YouTube and Phone icons in any way related to their function? They're just generic images of nothing. Why is the Safari icon just an image of the OSX Leopard wallpaper?

Fail.
LCfiner
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(07-31-2009, 07:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by DaCocoBrova

I guess you've never seen the 'reveal' theme...


[IMG]http://i27.************/9vcjfb.jpg[/IMG]


looks like a usability nightmare.
Hellsing321
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(07-31-2009, 07:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by DaCocoBrova

I guess you've never seen the 'reveal' theme...

:lol They couldn't find an image that didn't have a water mark on it? So awful.
dallow_bg
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(07-31-2009, 07:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by Gary Whitta

The point being that Apple's designers understand that simplicity works best. All these custom themes do is obfuscate things with distracting backgrounds and icons that are trying to be too clever for the sake of it. It's placing the designer's own self-indulgence ahead of what actually works for the user. Apple's designers understand that when it comes to GUI design and appearance, less if often more. Most amateurs don't get this basic concept, and that's painfully evidenced in so many of the eyeball-fucking homebrew themes you see.

Wheeeee!


I don't use it but I <3 the Gameboy theme. (fullscreen version on right that is)

EDIT: And as shit as 99% of these themes are, it's people's own phones to use as they wish.
What is confusing to you is second nature to them. They know where their icons are, and how to use it.
Gary Whitta
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(07-31-2009, 07:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by Hellsing321

:lol They couldn't find an image that didn't have a water mark on it? So awful.

LOL I just noticed the watermark too. FAIL!

Originally Posted by dallow_bg

Wheeeee!


I don't use it but I <3 the Gameboy theme. (fullscreen version on right that is)

Okay I actually like this one :D
Blackhead
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(07-31-2009, 07:57 PM)

Originally Posted by LCfiner




looks like a usability nightmare.

Well Springboard is already shitty in actual usage so why not just gimp it further in favor of a nice wallpaper and use Spotlight for finding and opening apps?
mrkgoo
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(07-31-2009, 07:59 PM)

Originally Posted by Gary Whitta

The point being that Apple's designers understand that simplicity works best. All these custom themes do is obfuscate things with distracting backgrounds and icons that are trying to be too clever for the sake of it. It's placing the designer's own self-indulgence ahead of what actually works for the user. Apple's designers understand that when it comes to GUI design and appearance, less if often more. Most amateurs don't get this basic concept, and that's painfully evidenced in so many of the eyeball-fucking homebrew themes you see.

Yup.

But it's also Apple's image. The clickwheel was both intuitive (although I didn't like it), and iconic. A circle essentially became the symbol for an iPod.

With few controls on the iPhone, it's clear to me Apple intended the touch screen to BE that icon. Just look how recognisable a black rectangle with a few coloured squares is as an iPhone. Genius. And it has every other company stumbling to replicate that.

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