New Halo 3 SP Campaign screenshot

[ferrex]

yeah I was expecting this. http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...andmirrors.jpg Never forget.

The X02 Announcement trailer was pre-rendered in engine at a much higher resolution. Bungie was pretty clear about that, and never presented that as actual gameplay.

The stencil shadow lighting engine that was used for that and the E3 2003 demonstration (which was in game) was later abandoned as unworkable on the Xbox. Comparing a high res frame from that to a lower res capture isn't a very compelling argument, unless your argument is "I don't care to research what I'm talking about."

[ant1532]

look at the halo 3 screen closer ;) hell, look at the recent MP screens too

The reflection isn't nowhere near the reflection in the Announcement trailer though. It has a heavy orange tint also which kills it for me.

[raYne]

heh in both instances the original ones had full reflective visors and then were changed to a solid orange with specular.

As op_ said, the H3 visors are reflective.

In this new SP shot, it's reflecting an explosion. Even in the MP shots they reflect the environment.

The reflection isn't nowhere near the reflection in the Announcement trailer though. It has a heavy orange tint also which kills it for me.

It's an orange visor. That's usually what happens. ;)

[DopeyFish]

hell unless my eyes are fooling me... some light of this orange explosion is hitting the chiefs armor too.

[Buttonbasher]

The X02 Announcement trailer was pre-rendered in engine at a much higher resolution. Bungie was pretty clear about that, and never presented that as actual gameplay. The stencil shadow lighting engine that was used for that and the E3 2003 demonstration (which was in game) was later abandoned as unworkable on the Xbox. Comparing a high res frame from that to a lower res capture isn't a very compelling argument, unless your argument is "I don't care to research what I'm talking about."

Thanks for clearing that up!

hell unless my eyes are fooling me... some light of this orange explosion is hitting the chiefs armor too.

I see what you're talking about. Could be.

[RattleHead_]

heh in both instances the original ones had full reflective visors and then were changed to a solid orange with specular.

This comparison don't work tho. The Halo 2 shots are both cut scene, the Halo 3 shots = 1 game play and one cut scene. For all we know the reflective visor is still the same as the trailer for cut scenes.

[urk]

Comparing a high res frame from that to a lower res capture isn't a very compelling argument, unless your argument is "I don't care to research what I'm talking about."

Yeah, it's that last bit.

[CreepingDea7h]

This comparison don't work tho. The Halo 2 shots are both cut scene, the Halo 3 shots = 1 game play and one cut scene. For all we know the reflective visor is still the same as the trailer for cut scenes.

As was said, the visor is still reflective, it just has a yellow/orange tint to it, which I very much prefer. I think it looks a lot more stylized, and I love how it stands out. Any way, they won't just magically remove the orange tint for cut scenes, because 1, there would be a lack of consistency, and 2, it is probably a stylistic decision to add orange tint (especially considering that MC models in both past games had an orange/yellow tint).

But ya, the comparison still doesn't work :P

[urk]

I imagine the "orange tint" is meant to be gold plating just like a real life astronaut has on his face window.

[Proelite]

The X02 Announcement trailer was pre-rendered in engine at a much higher resolution. Bungie was pretty clear about that, and never presented that as actual gameplay. The stencil shadow lighting engine that was used for that and the E3 2003 demonstration (which was in game) was later abandoned as unworkable on the Xbox. Comparing a high res frame from that to a lower res capture isn't a very compelling argument, unless your argument is "I don't care to research what I'm talking about."

ferrex, how come the new mp models use the cast iron armor? Is there a difference between sp and mp textures?

[ThirdEye]

Why's that 2D background?

[raYne]

As was said, the visor is still reflective, it just has a yellow/orange tint to it, which I very much prefer. I think it looks a lot more stylized, and I love how it stands out. Any way, they won't just magically remove the orange tint for cut scenes, because 1, there would be a lack of consistency, and 2, it is probably a stylistic decision to add orange tint (especially considering that MC models in both past games had an orange/yellow tint). But ya, the comparison still doesn't work :P

Well, ferrex has already given the reason why the armor is different (art change). It could be argued that the old reflective visor won't make it into the final at all for the very same reason.

Then we wouldn't have to worry about that, now would we? ;)

[jet1911]

Why's that 2D background?

Because that's not? O_o

Then we wouldn't have to worry about that, now would we? ;)

Hmmm

zomg downgrade total

[Exarchos]

Why's that 2D background?

Because your eyes are borked.

[Joates]

hell unless my eyes are fooling me... some light of this orange explosion is hitting the chiefs armor too.

There are slight hints of it, however, I think it should possibly be a little more apparent, casting more of a orange, yellow hue over his armor.

[op_ivy]

The reflection isn't nowhere near the reflection in the Announcement trailer though. It has a heavy orange tint also which kills it for me.

its entirely likely that the more reflective visor is in the cinematics still. we'll see. if it isnt, its not a big deal for me, as what we've seen thus far has me moist "down there"

[buckfutter]

Less detailed, but I like the texture work more overall.

[op_ivy]

ferrex, how come the new mp models use the cast iron armor? Is there a difference between sp and mp textures?

i think they (the mp and sp) textures cast iron-ness is likely the same... we just havent seen enough of sp to see better examples of it. like the new mp shots, it probably isnt obvious from all angles and lighting conditions

[ant1532]

As op_ said, the H3 visors are reflective. In this new SP shot, it's reflecting an explosion. Even in the MP shots they reflect the environment. It's an orange visor. That's usually what happens. ;)

The visor in the announcement trailer is way more clear at reflecting and doesn't have that super heavy orange tint distorting the image being reflected.



The visor's reflection in the Halo 3 beta was way distorted. From looking at the new screen we got today of SP it looks somewhat better but closer to the MPBeta than the Announcement trailer visor.

[Ramirez]

Why do you people care about the visor? You will never see it, aside from cutscenes.

[Mojovonio]

Why do you people care about the visor? You will never see it, aside from cutscenes.

Its something for people to bitch about.

[CreepingDea7h]

The visor's reflection in the Halo 3 beta was way distorted. From looking at the new screen we got today of SP it looks somewhat better but closer to the MPBeta than the Announcement trailer visor.

I don't believe the beta visors had any reflections, but if you look at the new batch of MP screenshots you will see that the visors have reflections, so they have since then implemented them. Of course, it won't look as clear with the orange tint, but I honestly don't care about how well I can see things in MC's visor...

[ThirdEye]

The visor in the announcement trailer is way more clear at reflecting and doesn't have that super heavy orange tint distorting the image being reflected. http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...comparison.jpg The visor's reflection in the Halo 3 beta was way distorted. From looking at the new screen we got today of SP it looks somewhat better but closer to the MPBeta than the Announcement trailer visor.

1. no environmental mapping in the visor
2. less AA
3. no material shader on the armor
4. less detailed texture

Overall I think they are setting up a buffer for the bloated expectation for the Halo 3 single player and the imminent crash at E3.

[PleoMax]

Why do you people care about the visor? You will never see it, aside from cutscenes.

I've been thinking about that myself. I mean in cutcenes it would be cool to have a more "advanced" visor, but in game...i mean....what's the point?

[urk]

1. no environmental mapping in the visor 2. less AA 3. no material shader on the armor 4. less detailed texture Overall I think they are setting up a buffer for the bloated expectation for the Halo 3 single player and the imminent crash at E3.

5. Durp.

[Mojovonio]

1. no environmental mapping in the visor 2. less AA 3. no material shader on the armor 4. less detailed texture Overall I think they are setting up a buffer for the bloated expectation for the Halo 3 single player and the imminent crash at E3.

Oh lord.

You people just don't get it.

[ant1532]

Why do you people care about the visor? You will never see it, aside from cutscenes.

The coolest part of a space suit. Thats why.

[Proelite]

1. no environmental mapping in the visor 2. less AA 3. no material shader on the armor 4. less detailed texture Overall I think they are setting up a buffer for the bloated expectation for the Halo 3 single player and the imminent crash at E3.

you're setting yourselve up for the imminent boot.

[ThirdEye]

you're setting yourselve up for the imminent boot.

What's wrong with reality check? Use your own words people.

[SpudBud]

you're setting yourselve up for the imminent boot.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...zoneavatar.jpg
What the hell

[raYne]

The visor in the announcement trailer is way more clear at reflecting and doesn't have that super heavy orange tint distorting the image being reflected. The visor's reflection in the Halo 3 beta was way distorted. From looking at the new screen we got today of SP it looks somewhat better but closer to the MPBeta than the Announcement trailer visor.

The current visor is highly dependant on what's going on and the current lighting conditions. Even in the MP pics, you can see it clearly reflects the environment in this one.http://www.bungie.net/images/News/In...-person-02.jpg (blue spartan & the one directly over him).

While hardly doing it in others because it was reflecting something else. As evidenced in the first pic (spartan on the left) and the ones here: http://www.bungie.net/images/News/In...-person-04.jpg.

It was the same with the very first actual SP shot. That one hardly reflected either due to the lighting conditions.

[Ramirez]

The coolest part of a space suit. Thats why.

Whatever, I'll let you guys beat yourselves up over a visor reflection while I think of how awesome this game is going to play. :)

[michaeld]

I wasn't impressed with the beta visuals at all, but if this is really what SP looks like then WOW

[traveler]

The coolest part of a space suit. Thats why.

Incorrect.



That title belongs to the awesomeness that is the space pelvis.

[Proelite]

What's wrong with reality check? Use your own words people.

Imminent is a strong word.

[urk]

Whatever, I'll let you guys beat yourselves up over a visor reflection while I think of how awesome this game is going to play. :)

I guess you haven't been told. Imminent failure at E3 upcoming. I read it on the internets.

[Proelite]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...zoneavatar.jpg What the hell

I've been killzoned!

[ThirdEye]

1. no environmental mapping in the visor 2. less AA 3. no material shader on the armor 4. less detailed texture Overall I think they are setting up a buffer for the bloated expectation for the Halo 3 single player and the imminent crash at E3.

Oh and another one

5. less bumps (less polys and/or less normal maps)

[krypt0nian]

Oh and another one 5. less bumps (less polys and/or less normal maps)

They keep posting. And keep getting banned. Its like a Lemmings Moment.

[raYne]

Whatever, I'll let you guys beat yourselves up over a visor reflection while I think of how awesome this game is going to play. :)

But what if you're about to snipe someone... and you see yourself.. and the dude sneaking up behind you reflected in his visor! So you turn around and shotgun him in the face!

OMG GOT-EVER!

[Proelite]

Oh and another one 5. less bumps (less polys and/or less normal maps)

O RLY?

[ant1532]

The current visor is highly dependant on what's going on and the current lighting conditions. Even in the MP pics, you can see it clearly reflects the environment in this one.http://www.bungie.net/images/News/In...-person-02.jpg (blue spartan & the one directly over him). While hardly doing it in others because it was reflecting something else. As evidenced in the first pic (spartan on the left) and the ones here: http://www.bungie.net/images/News/In...-person-04.jpg. It was the same with the very first actual SP shot. That one hardly reflected either due to the lighting conditions.

Yeah, I know the visor reflects I'm just saying that the image it reflects is way more distorted than what we saw from the crystal clear reflection in the visor from the announcement trailer.

[jet1911]

1. no environmental mapping in the visor 2. less AA 3. no material shader on the armor 4. less detailed texture Overall I think they are setting up a buffer for the bloated expectation for the Halo 3 single player and the imminent crash at E3.

1. I guess the explosion is near the chief so that's all the visor reflect.
2. Errrr whatever
3. Thank God
4. I don't see that... where?

[CreepingDea7h]

I've been killzoned!

Who would have thought... MC and Helghast living in unison?

[raYne]

Yeah, I know the visor reflects I'm just saying that the image it reflects is way more distorted than what we saw from the crystal clear reflection in the visor from the announcement trailer.

Yeah we know that, but as I said. It's now an orange visor in all of it. Both actual SP pics and all MP pics. I know it's less reflective than the previous ver, but it reflects pretty damn clear given the circumstances.

As I also said, I don't even think they'll bother having that shiny teaser visor just for SP cutscenes since they already changed the armor's look in the current.

[KingJ2002]

wow... not bad.

considering how absolutely nothing is going on in that shot (i think) some of the more action heavy moments should look incredible.

[Death_Born]

wow... not bad. considering how absolutely nothing is going on in that shot (i think) some of the more action heavy moments should look incredible.

There's an explosion in the visor!

But what if you're about to snipe someone... and you see yourself.. and the dude sneaking up behind you reflected in his visor! So you turn around and shotgun him in the face! OMG GOT-EVER!

I would think that's a bit too small.

[Falagard]

1. no environmental mapping in the visor 2. less AA 3. no material shader on the armor 4. less detailed texture Overall I think they are setting up a buffer for the bloated expectation for the Halo 3 single player and the imminent crash at E3.

1. What do you mean no environmental mapping in the visor? It's clearly showing a reflection of an explosion. If you said "less clear reflection due to gold tinting" then I'd agree with you. I personally like the visor from E3 trailer better, but perhaps they decided the gold visor was more representative of what the Master Chief is known for.

2. Less AA? Really? I'm blown away by the level of anti-aliasing on this image - I see no jaggies at all.

3. No material shader on the armor? That actually doesn't make any sense, since everything in Halo 3 is done with vertex and pixel shaders. Perhaps you mean "lower quality vertex and pixel shaders on the armor", in which case I'd say the only difference is the detail normal map - the high frequency tiling "bumps" on the armor from the E3 demo. Personally I say good riddance, they looked pretty silly. I wouldn't mind seeing a more subtle detail normal map, but personally I'd prefer the better lighting seen in this screenshot over the lighting of the E3 demo. The lighting, of course, is calculated inside the vertex and pixel shaders. There is clearly still normal maps on the armor, of course - since it is what gives a lot of the armor its appearance where there are flat polygons.

4. "Less detailed texture". What texture, the armor? Yes the detail normal maps are gone, but the other textures I believe are even higher detail. Compare the texture around the face guard and top of the helmet to that in the E3 trailer. Perhaps it's just that now that the bumps are gone you can see the underlying texture better, but I believe it's higher quality.

[Ramirez]

But what if you're about to snipe someone... and you see yourself.. and the dude sneaking up behind you reflected in his visor! So you turn around and shotgun him in the face! OMG GOT-EVER!

You win this one!

[Sean]

Incorrect. http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/chara...amus/samus.jpg That title belongs to the awesomeness that is the space pelvis.

you have a bigger ver of this pic? would like to use it as my iphone wallpaper.