Moore:" ya know,I want Mario...no wait I want Final Fantasy." - Page 3

SnakeswithLasers · (07-17-2007, 03:18 PM)

I'm glad the OT is back...

Segata Sanshiro · (07-17-2007, 03:18 PM)

Originally Posted by Tha1AnLonely:

I'm scouring the web trying to find stats on Sony's shares and other stuff.... Anyone else think it's funny that you come across random info all the time when you aren't looking for it... but when you do need it, it's impossible to find?

I found a link for their shares ownership. They own 8.63%, a bit more than I thought, but still not enough to have influence.

Mentioned in this story:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6130333.html

BenjaminBirdie · (07-17-2007, 03:19 PM)

Originally Posted by CrushDance:

???

Either I'm in need of more sleep or I'm in a bad mood today. But why does everything sound so filled with sarcasm and hate?

Things have turned ugly past few days. Let us hold the line with only mild sarcasm and a bristling wit. We can withstand the tide of negativity, I know it.

KevinRo · (07-17-2007, 03:19 PM)

Originally Posted by Tha1AnLonely:

I said on CONSOLES idiot. Yea, it did great on PC, but last time i checked, the PC wasn't a console.

you're going to last real long here!

Tha1AnLonely · (07-17-2007, 03:20 PM)

Originally Posted by Segata Sanshiro:

I found a link for their shares ownership. They own 8.63%, a bit more than I thought, but still not enough to have influence.

Mentioned in this story:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6130333.html

Thank you. Saved me a headache.

CrushDance · (07-17-2007, 03:20 PM)

Originally Posted by Defuser:

Because......

Ah it all makes sense now. Different opinions.

And Sony owns 8% of SE? Pretty weird that after all these years and FF games they never got more(I know, I know).

But anyway Sony has a vested interest in FF13 not going anywhere, Microsoft will probably figure something out though.

Aisenherz · (07-17-2007, 03:21 PM)

Originally Posted by Segata Sanshiro:

They don't own anywhere near enough shares to have decision-making or even decision-influencing powers, though. Less than 5% after the Square-Enix merger, if I'm remembering right.

8%

Tha1AnLonely · (07-17-2007, 03:21 PM)

Originally Posted by KevinRo:

you're going to last real long here!

Thank you for your prediction. I'll file that away for now.

Rad Agast · (07-17-2007, 03:22 PM)

I don't see what the problem is really. The question was "if they could have one third party Japanese franchise on the Xbox 360 which would they pick". I look at it as a compliment to SE and Nintendo having great IPs.

jarrod · (07-17-2007, 03:22 PM)

Less FF talk, more IU talk plz!

Defuser · (07-17-2007, 03:23 PM)

Originally Posted by CrushDance:

Ah it all makes sense now. Different opinions.

And Sony owns 8% of SE? Pretty weird that after all these years and FF games they never got more(I know, I know).

But anyway Sony has a vested interest in FF13 not going anywhere, Microsoft will probably figure something out though.

I don't think they believe in buying out popular companies...
If they have bought more shares,Wada would be suspicious about it.

Tha1AnLonely · (07-17-2007, 03:24 PM)

Originally Posted by Rad Agast:

I don't see what the problem is really. The question was "if they could have one third party Japanese franchise on the Xbox 360 which would they pick". I look at it as a compliment to SE and Nintendo having great IPs.

I missed it the first time i read it, but someone pointed it out earlier in the thread. Moore said Mario, which is in fact not a third party game.... Nintendo developing it would make it a first party game. That is the funny part and where a lot of the laughing at Moore is coming from.

Xekrn · (07-17-2007, 03:24 PM)

Originally Posted by Segata Sanshiro:

I found a link for their shares ownership. They own 8.63%, a bit more than I thought, but still not enough to have influence.

Mentioned in this story:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6130333.html

maybe 8.63% is good enough to deny any kind of moneyhats ? i guess

Segata Sanshiro · (07-17-2007, 03:26 PM)

Originally Posted by Defuser:

I don't think they believe in buying out popular companies...
If they have bought more shares,Wada would be suspicious about it.

Well, prior to the merger, that 8.63% was 17.2%, which was a little more, but I don't even think the intention there was to influence Square as much as it was to help bail them out after the FF:Spirits Within disaster.

Defuser · (07-17-2007, 03:26 PM)

Originally Posted by Xekrn:

maybe 8.63% is good enough to deny any kind of moneyhats ? i guess

Sure,they just need to buy 42.47% of it to make it happen.

Firewire · (07-17-2007, 03:27 PM)

Originally Posted by Segata Sanshiro:

I found a link for their shares ownership. They own 8.63%, a bit more than I thought, but still not enough to have influence.

Mentioned in this story:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6130333.html

Yes but when SE's shareholders get together, there's a guy from Sony across the table. Also I'm almost 100% certain (buts its a damn long time ago) Sony has first option to buy shares from any holders wanting to sell. - can you confirm that?

Segata Sanshiro · (07-17-2007, 03:27 PM)

Originally Posted by Firewire:

Yes but when SE's shareholders get together, there's a guy from Sony across the table. Also I'm almost 100% certain (buts its a damn long time ago) Sony has first option to buy shares from any holders wanting to sell. - can you confirm that?

I don't have that information, but maybe someone else here does.

Tha1AnLonely · (07-17-2007, 03:28 PM)

Originally Posted by Xekrn:

maybe 8.63% is good enough to deny any kind of moneyhats ? i guess

I think it's basically just square-enix attempting to be traditional and sticking with Sony for now. If the PS3 sales don't pick up in a big way though, they may have not other option, kind of like that konami guy said a few weeks back about mgs games... correct me if i'm wrong or have devs mixed up, i have been up for 32 hours now so i make mistakes.

ElectricBlue187 · (07-17-2007, 03:29 PM)

yes! bring FF to 360 so I don't have to buy a PS3!

Tha1AnLonely · (07-17-2007, 03:30 PM)

Originally Posted by Segata Sanshiro:

Well, prior to the merger, that 8.63% was 17.2%, which was a little more, but I don't even think the intention there was to influence Square as much as it was to help bail them out after the FF:Spirits Within disaster.

That disaster was the greatest thing to happen to MS. They landed Sakaguchi and mistwalker as partners due to that.

FIREBABY · (07-17-2007, 03:30 PM)

Originally Posted by Firewire:

Yes but when SE's shareholders get together, there's a guy from Sony across the table. Also I'm almost 100% certain (buts its a damn long time ago) Sony has first option to buy shares from any holders wanting to sell. - can you confirm that?

Doesn't matter who sits across the table. It's all on who has the most shares and also first and foremost, profitablity for the company.

Firewire · (07-17-2007, 03:41 PM)

Originally Posted by FIREBABY:

Doesn't matter who sits across the table. It's all on who has the most shares and also first and foremost, profitablity for the company.

If you think Sony has no influence with SE, I think your mistaken. There has always been a great relationship between the companies. And Sony's backing of SE is evident, do you think they just forgot what Sony did in helping to bail them out. But that is not to say, everything is Sony's or something. The company has taken a logical approach in the sense that it supports both Nintendo & Sony platforms because thats were there customers are.

Hcoregamer00 · (07-17-2007, 03:45 PM)

Originally Posted by Xekrn:

you do know SCEJ is one of SE's shareholders right ?

That explains why the DS is getting a Majority of SE's titles, it all makes sense. After all, having them release games on the DS instead of the PSP isn't a conflict of interest, no sir.

FIREBABY · (07-17-2007, 03:47 PM)

Originally Posted by Firewire:

The company has taken a logical approach in the sense that it supports Nintendo platforms because thats were there customers are.

Fixed for the greater truth

They stand a chance right now to make the same amount of money on either PS3 or 360 right now.

Defuser · (07-17-2007, 03:48 PM)

Originally Posted by Hcoregamer00:

That explains why the DS is getting a Majority of SE's titles, it all makes sense. After all, having them release games on the DS instead of the PSP isn't a conflict of interest, no sir.

You're like one page late....

Segata Sanshiro · (07-17-2007, 03:48 PM)

Originally Posted by Firewire:

If you think Sony has no influence with SE, I think your mistaken. There has always been a great relationship between the companies. And Sony's backing of SE is evident, do you think they just forgot what Sony did in helping to bail them out. But that is not to say, everything is Sony's or something. The company has taken a logical approach in the sense that it supports both Nintendo & Sony platforms because thats were there customers are.

I think their official influence isn't very strong, but at the same time Square obviously has spent a lot of time building a Final Fantasy fanbase with the PlayStation brand and Sony has given them quite a bit of assistance to that end, so I think all things level, they'd rather just stay put. Of course, the market may not work out that way.

I think MS really needs to lead the charge here and prove they can get a jRPG over in a big way with their extremely strong North American fanbase. I'm not sure Blue Dragon is the right game to do it (though I expect it to do quite well here), but I think they can make Lost Odyssey a major NA hit with the right push. At the very least that will be some proof that the fanbase will go for games of these types and may help entice Square-Enix.

Naturally, the Last Remnant sales will prove very telling as well.

BenjaminBirdie · (07-17-2007, 03:48 PM)

Originally Posted by Hcoregamer00:

That explains why the DS is getting a Majority of SE's titles, it all makes sense. After all, having them release games on the DS instead of the PSP isn't a conflict of interest, no sir.

Seriously. I doubt anyone prognosticating on the vast influence of Sony "being at the table" has ever even been to a shareholders meeting. There's 91% more people SE has to satisfy every day.

fernoca · (07-17-2007, 03:49 PM)

Originally Posted by CrushDance:

And I'm supposed to give a **** what you think...because?

Wow...Someone's pissy..

MatiasB · 03:56 PM

Does any nintendo company own some SE's shares?

Also sony's 7% couldn't stop SE's The Last Remnamt multiplatform project. So SE is clearly open to experiment on the 360 platform.

My biggest problem with microsoft outdated strategy is that jrpgs havn't been large in north america for a long time. Look at the sales of FFXII. Supposedly it's lower than Gears of War on a multiple times bigger platform.

There was a time when RPG's were bigger than shooters but those tables have turned a long time ago.

loosus · (07-17-2007, 03:50 PM)

Square should definitely go with 360. Don't wanna put those games on a crumbling business and all!

Hcoregamer00 · (07-17-2007, 03:50 PM)

Originally Posted by Segata Sanshiro:

I think their official influence isn't very strong, but at the same time Square obviously has spent a lot of time building a Final Fantasy fanbase with the PlayStation brand and Sony has given them quite a bit of assistance to that end, so I think all things level, they'd rather just stay put. Of course, the market may not work out that way.

I think MS really needs to lead the charge here and prove they can get a jRPG over in a big way with their extremely strong North American fanbase. I'm not sure Blue Dragon is the right game to do it (though I expect it to do quite well here), but I think they can make Lost Odyssey a major NA hit with the right push. At the very least that will be some proof that the fanbase will go for games of these types and may help entice Square-Enix.

Who knows, I still think that the XBOX 360 market is more western oriented and would be less apt to buy RPG's like the Sony fanbase that traditionally held the Japanese RPG market. Heck, Nintendo did pretty well considering it got 1 or 2 JRPG exclusive series on the cube.

Originally Posted by BenjaminBirdie:

Seriously. I doubt anyone prognosticating on the vast influence of Sony "being at the table" has ever even been to a shareholders meeting. There's 91% more people SE has to satisfy every day.

Of course, if Sony had much more of an influence then the DS wouldn't have all the SE exclusives it has. Heck, I wouldn't mind if they did go exclusively to the PSP because they are doing 3D remakes not 2D remakes of the SNES games.

DS 3D = Bleh

FIREBABY · (07-17-2007, 03:55 PM)

Originally Posted by Segata Sanshiro:

I think MS really needs to lead the charge here and prove they can get a jRPG over in a big way with their extremely strong North American fanbase. I'm not sure Blue Dragon is the right game to do it (though I expect it to do quite well here), but I think they can make Lost Odyssey a major NA hit with the right push. At the very least that will be some proof that the fanbase will go for games of these types and may help entice Square-Enix.

Could'nt agree with you more on this one. If 360 gamers show interest in these games, moneyhats may not be needed. The reason I think they put Last Remenant out there as a multi-platform title. If they buy it, don't act too shocked if you see FF on the console. Personally I don't care about this series anymore, but there are plenty of others who still do.

Firewire · (07-17-2007, 03:57 PM)

Originally Posted by Segata Sanshiro:

I think their official influence isn't very strong, but at the same time Square obviously has spent a lot of time building a Final Fantasy fanbase with the PlayStation brand and Sony has given them quite a bit of assistance to that end, so I think all things level, they'd rather just stay put. Of course, the market may not work out that way.

I think MS really needs to lead the charge here and prove they can get a jRPG over in a big way with their extremely strong North American fanbase. I'm not sure Blue Dragon is the right game to do it (though I expect it to do quite well here), but I think they can make Lost Odyssey a major NA hit with the right push. At the very least that will be some proof that the fanbase will go for games of these types and may help entice Square-Enix.

Naturally, the Last Remnant sales will prove very telling as well.

yes, I agree! If MS can prove there customers will back jrpg's, there will be more of a willingness to place games on the 360. I also agree Blue Dragon, might not be the game to do it, Last Remnant is the key! How many copies do you think will sell? I honestly have no idea, how Last Remnant will sell on the 360, and allot of it has to do with the quality of the game, which I've heard little about lately.

Firewire · (07-17-2007, 04:02 PM)

Originally Posted by MatiasB:

Does any nintendo company own some SE's shares?

Also sony's 7% couldn't stop SE's The Last Remnamt multiplatform project. So SE is clearly open to experiment on the 360 platform.

My biggest problem with microsoft outdated strategy is that jrpgs havn't been large in north america for a long time. Look at the sales of FFXII. Supposedly it's lower than Gears of War on a multiple times bigger platform.

There was a time when RPG's were bigger than shooters but those tables have turned a long time ago.

It isn't about Sony stopping SE from doing anything. SE will clearly go were they will get sales, Last Remnant is in fact an experiment, how much weight SE puts on that experiment who knows! But if history tells us anything, SE will remain a big backer of both Sony & Nintendo's platforms.

Xekrn · 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by Hcoregamer00:

That explains why the DS is getting a Majority of SE's titles, it all makes sense. After all, having them release games on the DS instead of the PSP isn't a conflict of interest, no sir.

Since almost every 3rd party game bomba'd on PSP (the only 2 million breakers there are all from capcom), i don't think sticking with PSP will do them any good even SCEJ is one of their shareholders.

The reason why I bring their relationship here is I guess maybe 8% part of SE is more important than any kind of moneyhat MS can offer. That explaines why SE is still holding their titles while many other 3rd party companies have earned a lot on MS's console, IMO.

Anyway don't get me wrong here, since PS3 is not doing much better than MS is in Japan and SE's multiplatform title is on the way, I won't be surprised if there's some form of FF series appears as 360 exclusive titles someday if The Last Remnant sells well on it.

Hcoregamer00 · (07-17-2007, 04:09 PM)

Originally Posted by Xekrn:

Since almost every 3rd party game bomba'd on PSP (the only 2 million breakers there are all from capcom), i don't think sticking with PSP will do them any good even SCEJ is one of their shareholders.

The PSP is the second highest next gen console (after the DS) with a massive userbase. With good games they SHOULD be able to sell extremely well. The low sales attachments really say something about piracy for the PSP.

inthezone · (07-17-2007, 04:12 PM)

Quote:

If part of Final Fantasy XIII came on the Xbox 360 Mr. Bell said, “that would be a start”.

DVD for FFXIII is not enough! Confirmed!

I wouldnt be incredibly shocked if a FFXIII spinoff came to 360 though. FFversusXIII hasnt been confirmed exclusive actually...

Defuser · (07-17-2007, 04:15 PM)

Originally Posted by inthezone:

DVD for FFXIII is not enough! Confirmed!

I wouldnt be incredibly shocked if a FFXIII spinoff came to 360 though. FFversusXIII hasnt been confirmed exclusive actually...

Helloooooo?The E3 CGI trailer says hi,JP mags also states it and they're using the White Engine for Versus XIII

drohne · (07-17-2007, 04:17 PM)

i'd play a 360 version of mario galaxy

Firewire · (07-17-2007, 04:18 PM)

Originally Posted by Defuser:

Helloooooo?The E3 CGI trailer says hi,JP mags also states it and they're using the White Engine for Versus XIII

yep, Versus is pretty well rapped up.

Yixian · (07-17-2007, 04:18 PM)

I wish Moore could learn to shut the **** up for five seconds.

mrpogi23 · (07-17-2007, 04:26 PM)

so... when theyre gonna drop $100M just to get exclusives?

Olaeh · (07-17-2007, 04:30 PM)

Originally Posted by Rancid Mildew:

I'd love it if Nintendo and MS merged or announced a mutual partnership just for the sake of convenience. Owning one console per cycle would be amazing.

No thanks.

Anyway I think its very likely we'll see a FFXIII game on 360, might not be exclusive but at least its something. SE has shown at least a little interest in 360 with Last Remnant.

Conrad Link · (07-17-2007, 04:30 PM)

Dreams are free?

Just more rambling bs, if it were that easy and they were gonna break out some zomg amount of $$$ to get something like that exclusive they would have done it long ago instead of just saying hey if we wanted too....

In reality the only FF games that will appear on the Xbox will be the ones SE already wanted to release on the system (online baby!) MS will have little to do with the decision.

gimz · (07-17-2007, 04:50 PM)

nothings wrong here, at least MS is trying

ziran · (07-17-2007, 05:21 PM)

Anything is possible, but as far as exclusives go, I think Xbox has more chance of getting Gran Turismo than a numbered FF game!

NintendosBooger · (07-17-2007, 05:29 PM)

MS shouldn't quit in Japan, but I think they should take a stab at the handheld market there, since they're going nowhere as far as consoles are concerned.

cgcg · (07-17-2007, 05:33 PM)

Quote:

If part of Final Fantasy XIII came on the Xbox 360 Mr. Bell said, “that would be a start”.

FF XIII coming to X360 in 1 DVD confirmed?

mentalfloss · (07-17-2007, 05:34 PM)

Moore: MARIO!

Interviewer: That's first party you idiot.

Moore: Final Fantasy!

Jeff Bell: Way to be original, you idiot.

Melville · (07-17-2007, 05:35 PM)

New pic: