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(08-01-2007, 04:47 PM)
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Stock-Age: Stocks, Options and Dividends oh my!
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Okay, let's try this again. It seems like Nintendo and Apple have sparked interest in the stock market for the NeoGAF boards. I noticed a lot of people buying into NTDOY and AAPL without really knowing anything about the market. I'm no expert though i'm starting to learn more and more about stocks and having a chick who works as a broker is always a good sign. Anyway, here are some fundementals and please feel free to add to it. I'm at work so i'll constantly add to this topic as i get a chance, ignore spelling errors for now.
How it works? A company can either be privately owned, or publically traded. If a company is public, anyone can buy shares of that company, which esentially means that you can be a part owner of the company (0.0000001% is still a part!). Market Cap A company's value (or market capitilization) is basically the price of a share multiplied by the amount of shares available. Let's say a company has 1,000,000 shares, and they're trading at $50 each, the company's market cap is at $50,000,000. So say you wanted to buy the entire company, you'd need over $50,000,000 to do so (plus you'd need to get the majority (50.1%) of shareholders to agree to a takeover). Stock Price means nothing A company who's stock is trading at $30 doesn't mean that it's worth more than a company who's trading at $20. You need to take into account the total amount of shares to determine the total value. Microsoft (MSFT) is trading at $29.14 as of this post, while Apple (AAPL) is selling at $130.80. MSFT is worth a lot more than AAPL though. How to buy You'll need a webbroker. Unfortunetly, I'm in Canada so I just use TD Waterhouse, for you Americans, I hear e*trade and TD Ameritrade are good. Look for someone with low commission. Market Hours The stock market opens at 9:30am and closes at 4:00pm EST. During this time, you can buy/sell stocks, set limit orders or whatever. Once the market closes at 4:00pm you're in Off hours. Off hours are from 4:00pm until 5:30pm (after-market) and then again from 9am until 9:30am (pre-market). In order to place a trade during the Off Hour window, you need to call a broker. They will do buy you a share at whatever the market price is at. A limit order is when you want to buy a certain stock at a certain price. Let's say you want to buy XYZ at $10. You can open a limit order at ANY TIME 24/7/365 for $10 for XYZ. The catch is that this order can only be fillied during market hours (9:30am to 4:00pm). If the price reaches $10 during off hours (4:00pm to 5:30pm, 9:00am to 9:30am) it will not get filled. This also means that if XYZ is at $9 during market hours, and reaches $13 during off hours, and opens at $13.. you'll have a nasty surprise in the morning because you just filled in at $13. On the bright side, you can place a max on a limit order. So for example, you can set it to buy XYZ at $10 up to a max of $11. So if it opens in the morning over $11 it won't fill. How much profit do I make? Basically, it's your net amount minus your book value. Wtf does that mean? Number of shares sold multiplied by the share price sold minus commission = Net amount. Number of shares bought multiplied by share price plus commission = Book value. Net amount - Book Value = profit (could be a negative if you're unlucky) Dividends You make money by buying stock 2 ways - an appreciation in your share value (price of your stock goes up), but you will only make money if you sell it (book value increases, but money in your pocket does not, unless you sell). The other way is through dividends. Both of these components - share appreciation and dividends make up your capitol gain on a stock (or capital loss). A dividend is an amount of money set by management of a company that they decide to return to shareholders. Companies typically pay dividends on a quarterly, semi-annual, or annual basis. Some companies don't pay a dividend at all - doesn't mean they're a bad company or in trouble, they could be doing other things with their money like re-investment in the company instead of paying dividends. You'll always want to check a company's history to see if they pay dividends and how often they pay dividends. You'll want a good understanding of their dividend policy up front. Dividend policies of company's typically don't change. Once they set a dividend amount to pay and its frequency, they seldom deviate from it, unless they need that money for reinvestment. As an example, if a company pays a quarterly dividend of .38 cents per share and you own 100 shares, then you will get a check from them for 38 bucks every quarter. Some quarters they may decide not to pay a dividend, but again, it doesn't mean they are in trouble, it could mean that they have to make some major capital purchases in the short-term. Options If you need to come to GAF for stock advise, you shouldn't be dealing with Options. I'll cover what they are at a later time. Some good sites to look at: Investopedia CNN Money Yahoo! Finance Motley Fool Reuters Good luck! Thanks to mr Walrus for the below: While I'm posting today.. here's a little manifesto I made for a couple friends who wanted to get a little more into the market. Perhaps this will help someone here. Technical Indicators: These allow you to get a feel where the market is headed and how strong. Below are links to the futures markets and advance/decline volumes. In large part Futures dictate where the market heads and if you see them taking off in a direction you can bet the market will soon follow. Advance/declines give you as feel as to how strong the general market is. The more stocks that are rising over falling obviously indicates a stronger market and vice versa, this more than anything tells the true story of market strength/weakness. www.cbot.com/cbot/pub/page/0,3181,432,00.html www.bloomberg.com/markets/stocks/futures.html http://www.marketvolume.com/content/...m_adv_dcln.asp News sources: When trading it's paramount that you stay on top of the what and when in the markets. Important reports on the economy are released all the time. Many times the market will drastically move because of these events. A smart investor will make their move based on these reports. The cowboy (such as myself) will try to predict the direction before it happens to maximize profit(or loss). www.bloomberg.com www.marketwatch.com www.investors.com/ World Wide Exchanges: The US is still the big guy on the block and by all means many markets trade around what is going on here. However as the market becomes more global it is important to keep track of what people are doing while you sleep. www.finance.yahoo.com/intlindices?e=asia www.finance.yahoo.com/intlindices?e=europe Forums: Knowledge is key. There's no way one person can gather and digest all the information out there, that's why it's good to go someplace where others are gathering information and discussing it. Ticker forum is new and still pretty good. Elite Trader is full of old posts worth an incalculable amount of money and yahoo is filled with.. yahoos. Only go there as a last resort. www.tickerforum.org/ www.elitetrader.com www.finance.yahoo.com/ Education: Investopedia is awesome! if you need to know anything about stocks/options/etc. this is your one stop shop. www.investopedia.com People I learn from: A lot of people know a hell of a lot more than I do and so I listen and observe. Each of these links provides a daily account of the market knowledge that you can't get anywhere else. Best part of them is they're free! http://www.garyk.com/ http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=thermal1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frtj-HhDQpI http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=fxbootcamp Books: Here are some of the recent books I've been reading. Lots of good stuff and if you're going to get serious about trading I'd suggest getting the first two especially. Come Into My Trading Room: A Complete Guide to Trading http://www.amazon.com/Come-Into-My-T...1706719&sr=1-1 Technical Analysis: The Complete Resource for Financial Market Technicians http://www.amazon.com/Technical-Anal...1706630&sr=1-2 Getting Started in Chart Patterns http://www.amazon.com/Getting-Starte...1706672&sr=1-1 Trend Following: How Great Traders Make Millions in Up or Down Markets http://www.amazon.com/Trend-Followin...1706576&sr=8-1 Forex: My understanding is still rather new in this field but these are the spots I've found most useful. oanda is the broker I use and the two other sites (dailyfx and Fxstreet) offer timely updates of current market situations. www.oanda.com www.fxstreet.com www.dailyfx.com Terms to become familiar with: Risk Management, Trend Lines, Moving Averages, Candlestick Charts, Technical Analysis, Volatility, Support and Resistance levels and remember, Tips are for waiters. Find good companies with actual earnings, not the promise of earnings. Lastly, and most important.. here is a post I read the other day on a message board and since I couldn't say it better myself I'm just going to quote this guy. This in regards to Forex markets but you can equate it to anything. --------------- Here is the only advise you need to hear. Disregard at you own risk. If you are serious about "learning" FX here is the starting point ... STOP doing the following immediately: Stop asking questions - most don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. Stop listening to opinions - see above. Stop following other's buy and sell calls - like this knucklehead nik's - see above. Stop looking for the easy way out and shortcuts. Stop looking to others to do YOUR leg work. START doing the following immediately: Study charts and when you're done study them again ... for hours, days, weeks and months. This is your mission. Study the price action of the top FX pairs and not just the "majors". Study the action across all timeframes ... 5 min - weekly. Study various indicators and how they behave in trending and ranging markets across different timeframes. Study how news releases effect price action. Based on your study, devise a game plan ... YOUR game plan. Google your newbie questions. Put in your time and hard work if your want to be a trader and not some forum piker/fx gambler. Lesson over.
Last edited by koam; 04-16-2009 at 03:36 AM.
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(08-01-2007, 04:57 PM)
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#5
Originally Posted by sonarrat:
My last trade was yesterday. I sold off 300 shares of OLED at $11.65... I bought them at $5.55 :D |
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(08-01-2007, 05:02 PM)
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#6
Originally Posted by koam:
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Purple Drazi
(08-01-2007, 05:03 PM)
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#7
Originally Posted by koam:
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(08-01-2007, 05:09 PM)
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#8
I've been wondering why a thread like this didn't exist here for a while. I'll wait to see how things go before I get too participant but I'll start by suggesting MRVL. It's gotten beaten up badly over the last two days on the rumor Apple was cutting down on their iPhone production.
Earnings should come out anywhere from Aug 15th - Sept 6th. Expect to see a run up into that time period. Stock trades at 17.60 as of this post. I would be extremely surprised if it doesn't hit 22.5 before years end. Lastly, for those who like to play options. OIH (Oil Services ETF) is a monster, LOTS of money to be made there if you know your TA. |
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One crazy mofo
Saved by a Harley dude (08-01-2007, 05:30 PM)
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#9
Originally Posted by alr1ghtstart:
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(08-01-2007, 05:32 PM)
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#10
Originally Posted by Cyan:
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Last edited by koam; 08-01-2007 at 05:39 PM.
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(08-01-2007, 05:58 PM)
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#11
Originally Posted by koam:
hah.. well they are all caught up with their financials now and everything is getting in order. They have a huge stake in the Hard Drive business (expect more pc's to sold in the 2nd half), they are getting more exposure into wi-fi products by the day (namely cellphones as in the iPhone and Blackberries), and their X-Scale apps processor powers all RIMM phones and is rumored to be the brains in the 2nd gen iPhone. I like their chances especially on this today's pullback. I recently got out in the high 19's after averaging down to a cost basis of about 16.80 after the March collapse. I'm no pumper, just stating the facts and trying to help those who want to put some money in market make money. Personally I would love to see a thread like this pinned up top and perhaps then with the combined knowledge of the board we can take some of the mysticism away from the market and those who are too scared to put a dime in the market can become savvy vets and start making some real money. |
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Purple Drazi
(08-01-2007, 06:03 PM)
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#12
Originally Posted by koam:
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(08-01-2007, 06:04 PM)
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#13
Originally Posted by Cyan:
Aug-2007 50 NINTENDO CO LTD ADR -NEW BUY -$29.00 -$2,966.50 :D |
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Hail to the KING baby
(08-01-2007, 06:13 PM)
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#14
Good article by Henry Blodget on the concept of "hot stocks" (esp. w/r/t magazine articles).
Originally Posted by slate:
Seriously, for most people it just comes down to how fun you find stock-picking vs. investment activities with equal or less risk that involve fewer opportunity costs. |
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Purple Drazi
(08-01-2007, 06:29 PM)
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#15
Originally Posted by AstroLad:
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One crazy mofo
Saved by a Harley dude (08-01-2007, 06:45 PM)
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#17
Originally Posted by valparaiso:
http://vse.marketwatch.com I think we can actually create a GAF game with a starting budget and see who can make the most money over time! |
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(08-01-2007, 06:47 PM)
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#19
Originally Posted by Flo_Evans:
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(08-01-2007, 06:51 PM)
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#20
the only problem with paper stocks is that you make decisions that you wouldn't normally make, if you were using real money. But it probably is good for just learning the process.
I don't know much, but I would rather have a small amount of $$ ready to throw away... and play with that. I think I'd take it more seriously, and learn what it's like to lose real money. |
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J360 dude lifelong
(08-01-2007, 07:01 PM)
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#21
Originally Posted by Flo_Evans:
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One crazy mofo
Saved by a Harley dude (08-01-2007, 07:35 PM)
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#22
Originally Posted by Cheesemeister:
What about sites that allow for small investments? like say I have $500 to play with. What would a good site be for that level? I looked at some sites but they all wanted like $1000 to start an account. With my limited knowledge of the market I think I am better off paying off loans at this point instead of investing :lol How is everyone feeling about the market today? I have been paying close attention since the drop friday. Is it going to pull out? more drops? Also for the OP can you explain limit, stop and market orders? I think I know what they mean but I am not entirely sure.
Last edited by Flo_Evans; 08-01-2007 at 07:40 PM.
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(08-01-2007, 07:39 PM)
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#23
Originally Posted by Flo_Evans:
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One crazy mofo
Saved by a Harley dude (08-01-2007, 07:45 PM)
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#24
Originally Posted by sonarrat:
I am trying more to find a good entry point into the market as I don't own any stocks. I got an extra $500 today and I am wondering what to do with it... I could buy some stocks, pay down high interest loans, put it in my savings account for a rainy day, or buy a hooker and some blow!
Last edited by Flo_Evans; 08-01-2007 at 07:48 PM.
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Purple Drazi
(08-01-2007, 07:59 PM)
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#26
Originally Posted by Flo_Evans:
I wouldn't recommend any real money investing until you've paid off any high-interest loans (basically, anything other than a mortgage or student loans), and have a small emergency cash reserve. Then you can start putting money into index funds. :) Or you could pull a Nighttrain and buy a bunch of stock despite not really knowing anything about the market. Maybe it'll shoot up nearly 50%, like AAPL did right after he bought it. Who knows? P.S. Shorting is selling stock you don't actually have, with a promise to buy the stock later. You are essentially betting that the stock will go down, and your buy-back price will be less than your selling price. If it does go down before you buy it back, you've made money. Again, not recommended to someone new to investing. (are you seeing a pattern here? ;) ) |
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(08-01-2007, 08:00 PM)
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#27
Originally Posted by Flo_Evans:
Originally Posted by duderon:
www.investopedia.com is an outstanding knowledge base. |
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Hail to the KING baby
(08-01-2007, 08:02 PM)
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#28
Originally Posted by Cyan:
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rollin' in the gutter
(08-01-2007, 08:03 PM)
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#29
Originally Posted by mrWalrus:
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(08-01-2007, 08:03 PM)
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#30
Originally Posted by duderon:
Flo, take Cyan's advice. Become debt free and look into Index funds, couldn't agree more with Cyan.
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One crazy mofo
Saved by a Harley dude (08-01-2007, 08:18 PM)
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Ok I guess I will pay down some debt. Not as fun as calling my broker and yelling SELL SELL SELL in the phone but I need to get it down so I can buy a house and get in some real debt! :lol
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(08-01-2007, 08:18 PM)
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#32
Originally Posted by Flo_Evans:
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(08-01-2007, 08:46 PM)
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#33
Originally Posted by Flo_Evans:
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One crazy mofo
Saved by a Harley dude (08-01-2007, 09:21 PM)
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#34
Originally Posted by koam:
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(08-01-2007, 09:31 PM)
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#35
Originally Posted by Flo_Evans:
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(08-03-2007, 04:32 PM)
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I think i might be investing in Take Two in the near future. They took a huge plunge due to GTA4 being delayed. I'd rather not own NTDOY *and* TTWO stock but it's on special!
Plus this http://biz.yahoo.com/seekingalpha/07...8_id.html?.v=1 |
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(08-03-2007, 04:48 PM)
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#37
Originally Posted by koam:
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#38
Originally Posted by sonarrat:
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(08-03-2007, 08:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by sonarrat:
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Member
(08-03-2007, 08:39 PM)
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#41
Stocks now are terrible. Be careful anyone who wades in because of this thread.
I think I've lost maybe $2k in profits the past couple of weeks. Pure profit all gone... :( My buddy who invested in Ameritrade around $17 was all hollering when it hit $21 or so that he pocketed a quick $1k but turns out now it's below his original purchase price :lol |
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(08-03-2007, 08:46 PM)
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#42
Originally Posted by yayaba:
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(08-03-2007, 08:53 PM)
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#43
Originally Posted by koam:
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(08-06-2007, 04:07 PM)
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#44
Originally Posted by Dascu:
I bought some more stocks, my current holdings are: Firestone Ventures (FV.V) 1000 shares @ $0.65 Exchange: TSE Reason I bought them: They're a promissing mining company based in Vancouver. Pretty cheap stock and LOTS of info about the company is available. I expect big things from them in the future. Anooraq (ARQ.V) 1000 shares @ $2.83 Exchange: TSE Reason I bought them: Another mining company. They're currently in a slump but they've been at $3.20 before, I believe i'll be able to pocket a couple of hundred dollars off them soon enough. Nintendo (NTDOY.PK) 50 shares @ $57.85 Exchange: OTC (JSE) Reason I bought them: The Wii and the DS obviously. I expect their stock to go up when the Wii becomes the worldwide leader in August and Nintendo issues a PR. Also, their next year earnings are going to be a killer. Oh and Wii Fit Universal Display (PANL) *NEW for me* 100 shares @ $14.98 Exchange: NSE Reason I bought them: I used to own stocks in a competing company (Cambridge Display) and i made a killing off them. Cambridge was recently bought and my stocks more than doubled. The reason? Both of these companies are makers of OLED screens. OLED will eventually replace LCD/PLASMA and i've got high hopes for this tech. Their main partners are Sony and Samsung. Go OLED! Stocks I'm looking into getting when I get some more cash into my account: Amazon (AMZN): They're going to get HUGE. Harry Potter sales will be in their next quarterly earnings and then, it's holiday season! Double wammy on wii and ds sales for me here. Bell Canada (BCE): They're going to be bought out in September (or at least approve a takeover). They just announced a dividend. This is a short term commitment. Garmin (GRMN): Big GPS company. I think they'll continue to improve, but their stock has gotten quite pricey lately.
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(08-06-2007, 09:14 PM)
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#45
Originally Posted by koam:
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(08-06-2007, 10:20 PM)
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DODGE & COX BALANCED
0.0000 $0.00 0.5170 $86.65 -$1.44 $46.55 08/03/2007 DODGE & COX STOCK FUND 0.0000 $0.00 0.1440 $152.76 -$4.00 $23.25 08/03/2007 ENHANCED STOCK MARKET 0.2186 $100.88 0.0000 $0.00 -$2.82 $23.21 08/03/2007 TROWE PRICE BLUE CHP GWTH 0.0000 $0.00 0.5950 $37.61 -$1.08 $23.25 08/03/2007 HARTFORD MIDCAP HLS/IA 0.0000 $0.00 0.7510 $29.36 -$0.80 $23.21 08/03/2007 EVGRN SPECIAL VALUES/I 0.0000 $0.00 0.8030 $26.73 -$0.99 $23.22 08/03/2007 EVGRN GROWTH/I 0.0000 $0.00 1.2150 $18.18 -$0.60 $23.21 08/03/2007 AMERICAN FUNDS EUPAC R5 0.0000 $0.00 0.4420 $50.76 -$0.88 $23.21 08/03/2007 LAZARD EMERGING MARKETS/I 0.0000 $0.00 0.9360 $24.02 -$0.35 $23.21 08/03/2007 My portfolio today! ahhh |
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(08-06-2007, 11:48 PM)
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#49
I've been reading very intensively about options trading. I know it's portrayed as a tricky thing that should only really be handled by professionals, but I like the idea of paying a little bit upfront and having that be the most money you can possibly lose on the transaction. The trouble, as I see it, is that you have to have someone on the other side taking the opposite position, earning a little bit upfront but with a potential for unlimited loss.. and that will be reflected in the price.
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(08-07-2007, 12:16 AM)
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#50
Originally Posted by koam:
You make money by buying stock 2 ways - an appreciation in your share value (price of your stock goes up), but you will only make money if you sell it (book value increases, but money in your pocket does not, unless you sell). The other way is through dividends. Both of these components - share appreciation and dividends make up your capitol gain on a stock (or capital loss). A dividend is an amount of money set by management of a company that they decide to return to shareholders. Companies typically pay dividends on a quarterly, semi-annual, or annual basis. Some companies don't pay a dividend at all - doesn't mean they're a bad company or in trouble, they could be doing other things with their money like re-investment in the company instead of paying dividends. You'll always want to check a company's history to see if they pay dividends and how often they pay dividends. You'll want a good understanding of their dividend policy up front. Dividend policies of company's typically don't change. Once they set a dividend amount to pay and its frequency, they seldom deviate from it, unless they need that money for reinvestment. As an example, if a company pays a quarterly dividend of .38 cents per share and you own 100 shares, then you will get a check from them for 38 bucks every quarter. Some quarters they may decide not to pay a dividend, but again, it doesn't mean they are in trouble, it could mean that they have to make some major capital purchases in the short-term. |