"Most RPGs are sh**" - Molyneux

[js2af]

Seems like Molyneux is talking again. This time I kinda believe him though.
http://games.kikizo.com/news/200708/015_p1.asp

Fighting sounds like it works - some sweet ideas. New comments here; plenty of quotes...

[Odysseus]

well, can't argue with that. go ahead and apply that to every genre and call it a day.

[nubbe]

Indeed, Fable was just another on the pile.

[lyre]

<not bothering to read the link>
While this can't be used against the general gamer, but if he can't make a better rpg, he needs to shut his trap.
</not bothering>

[Dahbomb]

Can't argue with that. Fable is at the top of the heap.

[AdmiralViscen]

Most Fable games are shit.

[Ghengis Cohen]

Fable was shit Molyneux. Suck it up.

[MechDX]

Most Fable games are shit.

Yeah because there have been so many of them....

[Kintaro]

Pretty bold claim considering Fable was...

Oh, beaten to the punch like 5 times.

[Jirotrom]

well, can't argue with that. go ahead and apply that to every genre and call it a day.

QFT

[Azih]

Did the Peter Molyneux tranqulizer gun at Lionhead break or something?

[A Link to the Snitch]

Yeah because there have been so many of them....

Too many if you ask me.

[arias]

[beermonkey@tehbias]

90% of Molyneux games aren't shit, so frankly he's way ahead of the curve from RPGs and games in general. He might be a cocky, arrogant, bastard, but he's right.

LOL at everybody bashing him over Fable when it's just one game in his overall output.

[Smokey]

lolllll says tha guy who made fable

[Ghengis Cohen]

I doubt ol' Peter has been anywhere near the actual studio in years, choosing rather to shoot his mouth off and make up shit instead.

[Reilly]

90% of Molyneux games aren't shit, so frankly he's way ahead of the curve from RPGs and games in general. He might be a cocky, arrogant, bastard, but he's right.

They all might not be "shit", but they're not good enough to claim an entire genre is shit.

[TJ Spyke]

Fable was a great game, the only problem I saw was that it was way too short (I beat the game twice in less than 10 hours). I don't see how you could call it shit.

He is right that most RPG's suck.

[A Link to the Snitch]

90% of Molyneux games aren't shit, so frankly he's way ahead of the curve from RPGs and games in general. He might be a cocky, arrogant, bastard, but he's right. LOL at everybody bashing him over Fable when it's just one game in his overall output.

And an RPG

Fable was a great game, the only problem I saw was that it was way too short (I beat the game twice in less than 10 hours). I don't see how you could call it shit. He is right that most RPG's suck.

It was also the most overhyped thing in the world - it lost so many of the biggest features. In the end, it couldn't even call itself the best Xbox RPG.

[Mejilan]

You show 'em how it's done Molyneux. You show 'em!

[beermonkey@tehbias]

They all might not be "shit", but they're not good enough to claim an entire genre is shit.

I'd agree that 90% of RPGs are indeed shit. I'd also say that 90% of shooters are shit. And so on. That's not the same thing as saying that any genre is shit.

[Evlar]

I'm not going to comment on whether or not Fable was shit, but I will say it's one of only a handful of games I've ever sold back to the store within a week of purchase.

[Darji]

Most new West RPGs are shit" - Molyneux

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[HugBasket]

I doubt ol' Peter has been anywhere near the actual studio in years, choosing rather to shoot his mouth off and make up shit instead.

Have you seen him play Fable 2? That guy is pro, and you don't become pro overnight.

[Jiggy]

well, can't argue with that. go ahead and apply that to every genre and call it a day.

Basically, yeah.

[KyotoMecca]

Woahh, hold up guys. READ the shit... sounds pretty decent this time. And Fable 1 was NOT shit.

[Warm Machine]

He says a lot of good things in there. Read it.

[Fragamemnon]

I doubt ol' Peter has been anywhere near the actual studio in years, choosing rather to shoot his mouth off and make up shit instead.

Lionhead is the video game equivalent of Linden Labs-they must be the masters of marketing themselves since they are still around and relevant after so many repeated failures.

The dude has to be all marketing-he obviously has no clue what the hell his games are supposed to do. I'd hate to be a grunt in his company-one interview with him after a diet coke and a Red Bull and your feature list just went up by 30%.

[Agent Icebeezy]

I've been kinda burned on a lot of JRPGs. Blue Dragon demos didn't interest me so I'm not getting that. I played over 50 hours of F12 then I was just like fuck this. However, Odin Sphere is the shit.

[A Link to the Snitch]

Woahh, hold up guys. READ the shit... sounds pretty decent this time. And Fable 1 was NOT shit.

It was a big disappointment, missing a lot of the cool features Molyneux promised.

[usea]

<not bothering to read the link> While this can't be used against the general gamer, but if he can't make a better rpg, he needs to shut his trap. </not bothering>

Can you provide some reason why you have to be able to do something better to be allowed to offer criticism?

[beermonkey@tehbias]

Basically, yeah.

It's just Sturgeon's Law, and frankly it's right. The world would lose nothing if 90% of the game titles in the store were burned and never seen again, and there's no particular genre that stands above the crowd.

Books and albums aren't really any different.

[AdmiralViscen]

Yeah because there have been so many of them....

Yea because that's the point

[Speevy]

fixed

Give the Wild Arms series a break.

[PantherLotus]

Most GAMES are shit.


You know, just for the record n stuff.

[VerTiGo]

You know, if Fable wasn't mediocre then I'd take this comment seriously.

[beermonkey@tehbias]

Most GAMES are shit. You know, just for the record n stuff.

Yeah, but the zillions of clone JRPG are all just awesome, since they aren't Western, ya know.

[Ghengis Cohen]

Lionhead is the video game equivalent of Linden Labs-they must be the masters of marketing themselves since they are still around and relevant after so many repeated failures. The dude has to be all marketing-he obviously has no clue what the hell his games are supposed to do. I'd hate to be a grunt in his company-one interview with him after a diet coke and a Red Bull and your feature list just went up by 30%.

Well if Fable is any indication you just put his features in. Linden Labs is an incredibly apt analogy as well.

[PantherLotus]

I've been kinda burned on a lot of JRPGs. Blue Dragon demos didn't interest me so I'm not getting that. I played over 50 hours of F12 then I was just like fuck this. However, Odin Sphere is the shit.

Yeah, um. I'm not sure Blue Dragon counts as "getting burned."

[Souther]

Have you seen him play Fable 2? That guy is pro, and you don't become pro overnight.

I should hope so...he created the game..he should be a pro at playing it.

[Haunted]

Populous III is still the best thing he's turned out.

[Evlar]

Yeah, but the zillions of clone JRPG are all just awesome, since they aren't Western, ya know.

beermonkey: Bravely crusading against positions no one's defending.

[Azih]

I don't see how you could call it shit.

Completely linear word with no exploration. Crappy button mashy combat, really really bad NPCs (and no farting at them doesn't make it good), almost barren of interesting characters and a main character that looked like a dull idiot in closeups if good and like a goat chewing cud if evil.

Also the worst merchant system in any game ever made.

[Ranger X]

I feel he is exagerating again and the end product might be "teh disappointmenton" like with Fable for many people.

I like him tackling new stuff like how to handle death and such but i really wonder what his "i want more players to play my game" truly means. I mean, who cares who play your games? Can't you sell your game to dozen of millions of hardcore gamers already?
He sounds like he's hiding the fact he might be dumbing down the game and try to go more casuals and trying to have more sales. I don't know why, he doesn't sound honest in that article.

To me a real game designer doesn't really care who plays his game. He want to give something new to the medium that is videogame, he wants to express a idea and feelings. He wants to transmit something that is him, not something that is "for anybody".
It is just like the musician pulling off his album or that film maker near the release of his new piece and they go "I hope people will like my work".

[beermonkey@tehbias]

beermonkey: Bravely crusading against positions no one's defending.

Maybe you missed the guy who said: "Most new West RPGs are shit", implying that the slew of JRPG crap is any better. Most of everything is shit, and JRPG is no different.

[m0dus]

Aww, look at all the angry little replies! The venom is thick in this thread. It did not dissapoint. Suck it up, people. MOST games are crap, be the RPG or extreme sports. Taking one developer's opinion as a personal slight isn't just overboard, it's plain sad.

Despite the fact that you may (or may not) disagree with him, the kneejerk response of 'fable is shit' is utter bollocks. No, the game wasn't perfect. But it was pretty damn good in its own right. certainly better than a vast number of the cookie-cutter games out there at the time. The fact that there exists so much anticipation for Fable 2 should be proof enough of this.

[KyotoMecca]

Most "games" are shit? Maybe. But this is taken out of context; the quote is:

"It's amazing for a role playing game, because most role playing games are shit! Oblivion was a great game, but the combat was rubbish; we all talked about it being rubbish. So imagine you had a great role-playing game and really, really good combat system." Molyneux explained that games today are mechanically too hard and too difficult, and that to reach his goal, some careful thinking will be needed.

I think he means that most RPG combat systems are shit and therefore make the RPG shit.

[Ranger X]

MOST games are crap, be the RPG or extreme sports .

True.

The fact that there exists so much anticipation for Fable 2 should be proof enough of this.

Just to mess with you good sir a little...
Popularity doesn't mean it's quality. You know that as most games sucks, general people taste does suck. Look at what's selling everywhere in the artistic world (music, movies, games, etc)

[GreekWolf]

My first reaction is to reach through the monitor and honk his nose.

But then I remember that he did, in fact, create Dungeon Keeper, and all is forgiven.

[js2af]

I think he meant RPG fight systems are crappy that's all. He would probably be right TBH...?