DOTA 6.48 Thread (it's a War3 Mod)

[esbern]

I suck at dota. People keep wanting to boot me cause I'm new to it. :/ How the hell do you learn how to play 60 different heros! Ugh. Noob rooms are few and far between. You people were once like me you know! :p

okay here is what you do.

go to a game that is -apem. It means all pick, easy mode.

the hero that I would recommend for a new player is Clinkz, the Bone Fletcher. He is a little pain in the butt and most people can't stand him, but an easy hero to learn. He is great b/c of his Wind Walk skill....you basically push W (i think thats the hotkey) whenever you get in trouble and you can run away.

now, a few quick things to learn and get you started.

1) http://forums.dota-allstars.com/ great place to find guides to teach you how to play

2) don't ever buy boots as your first item

3) never ever ever attack towers buy yourself, or run by them to chase a hero, or anything like that. especially when invisible, towers can see you.

4) the first items that you should be buying are healing items and hp boosting items...so feel free to get what are called "Tangos", which heal you, and gauntlets, which boost your HP a whole bunch.

[Quagm1r3]

DotA (Defense of the Ancients) is a custom map played through Warcraft 3 and battle.net. Its is a mostly symmetrical map with two sides occupying the map. The Sentinels occupy the south western portion of the map while the scourge occupy the north east. There are 5 players per team and they each are able to chose one character to use throughout the map. There are a huge variety of heroes to choose from. Each player then picks a lane where they will fight the enemy (There are 3 lanes so normally 2 lanes end up being occupied by 2 players each). Both the scourge and sentinels send out small numbers of units that are computer controlled to engage one another. As a user, it is your job to kill the enemy heroes and these armies to gain gold and experience. Gold is needed to buy items which are vital in the game to make you stronger. Experience is used to level up so that one can learn new abilities (level cap is at 25). The game ends when either the scourge or sentinels 'castle' if you will (just a large building at the heart of each factions base) is destroyed. The game typically lasts around an hour but some games can last a while longer. Users are also able to modify certain rules as well such as playing with random heroes and other more advanced options.

Thanks for the elaboration, but I still don't think I understand the whole lane thing. But I guess I'd have to see the map to understand. I'm surprised though that DOTA only takes place on one map (?). You'd think something so popular would encourage people to make multiple maps.

[DonasaurusRex]

okay here is what you do. go to a game that is -apem. It means all pick, easy mode. the hero that I would recommend for a new player is Clinkz, the Bone Fletcher. He is a little pain in the butt and most people can't stand him, but an easy hero to learn. He is great b/c of his Wind Walk skill....you basically push W (i think thats the hotkey) whenever you get in trouble and you can run away. now, a few quick things to learn and get you started. 1) http://forums.dota-allstars.com/ great place to find guides to teach you how to play 2) don't ever buy boots as your first item 3) never ever ever attack towers buy yourself, or run by them to chase a hero, or anything like that. especially when invisible, towers can see you. 4) the first items that you should be buying are healing items and hp boosting items...so feel free to get what are called "Tangos", which heal you, and gauntlets, which boost your HP a whole bunch.

heh noob , your first item depends on who you pick. For instance you should not be buying hp items or regen if you have yunero as your hero. You def want boots if you know what you are doing because his aoe attack is the most powerful in the game early on but his move speed may very well be the worst making it easy to avoid but with the boots anyone without blink is screwed *since all the proz buy hp and regen items*. Not only is it the most op move in the first few levels but it grants magic immunity so you can laugh while a caster hero realizes they're screwed and its too late to run. Basically only the omni knight can counter this ability early game and only axe can ult thru it. Everyone else will be a victim of first blood giving you plenty of time to farm , exp and gold to buy regen and hp items.

If you wanna learn dota you need to go figure out who is strong early game and who is strong late game the forum is great for this just go to the class guides. In most cases melee heros have it tough early on *except for yunero and axe* and have to survive. However even melee hero's are split some need to survive till they get to level 6 others like the PA or yunero need to be like level..4 and immediately need to go off hunting other players.

Also i wouldnt advise clinks as a noob hero, go for Zues, Medusa, Skeleton king, Drow Ranger or Furion. Furion is especially dangerous and can push to the opposing teams base against just about anyone even casters with great aoe spells if you use his treants well. And thats before you reach level 10.

[djkimothy]

heh noob , your first item depends on who you pick. For instance you should not be buying hp items or regen if you have yunero as your hero. You def want boots if you know what you are doing because his aoe attack is the most powerful in the game early on but his move speed may very well be the worst making it easy to avoid but with the boots anyone without blink is screwed *since all the proz buy hp and regen items*. Not only is it the most op move in the first few levels but it grants magic immunity so you can laugh while a caster hero realizes they're screwed and its too late to run. Basically only the omni knight can counter this ability early game and only axe can ult thru it. Everyone else will be a victim of first blood giving you plenty of time to farm , exp and gold to buy regen and hp items. If you wanna learn dota you need to go figure out who is strong early game and who is strong late game the forum is great for this just go to the class guides. In most cases melee heros have it tough early on *except for yunero and axe* and have to survive. However even melee hero's are split some need to survive till they get to level 6 others like the PA or yunero need to be like level..4 and immediately need to go off hunting other players. Also i wouldnt advise clinks as a noob hero, go for Zues, Medusa, Skeleton king, Drow Ranger or Furion. Furion is especially dangerous and can push to the opposing teams base against just about anyone even casters with great aoe spells if you use his treants well. And thats before you reach level 10.

ok, I'll practice with that advice and that from esbern.

I just find it difficult to level up cause i try to kill the creeps but the opponent hero always goes for me or i'm double teamed by the creeps. Also, I keep forgetting where the secret shop is and what the requirements are.

But I'll try those tips. thanks.

[Akia]

nice playing with you guys. we got trashed but it was fun.

proelite, (name says it all)
evlcookie, (wasn't afraid to charge to his death <3)
freakmebaby (gosu war3 player, slowly getitng the hang of it)

[evlcookie]

That was fun. I think i will need to go and learn about all the different heroes so i can figure out which one best suits my play style.

We need to get a gaf dota group going just for fun. I can see why this game is addictive.

[djkimothy]

That was fun. I think i will need to go and learn about all the different heroes so i can figure out which one best suits my play style. We need to get a gaf dota group going just for fun. I can see why this game is addictive.

There's over 60!!!!!

[evlcookie]

There's over 60!!!!!

Ok maybe i wont .

I used to play a rogue in wow so i was looking for something similar. Rogue knight wasn't too shabby, i just need to level up quicker.

[Quagm1r3]

I'm callin' out Luke Smith. Why isn't he posting here?

[imthemaid]

yeah, that was pretty fun even though i couldn't get my hero to kill anything. 1 of that satanic hero's hits was equal to about 30 of mine. also, sorry about asking a question every few seconds.

[Akia]

I think there are almost hit 90 heroes now. You should first figure out what hero type do you want, ranged or melee. Then pick between the 3 classes which are agility, intelligence, and strength. If your a beginner start playing with Razor or Luna. They are agility heroes that require very little upkeep.

A decent agility build is: Boots of Speed, Sange&Yasha, Butterfly
A decent intelligence build is: Boots of Speed, Gunisoo (aka Sheep Stick), Linken Sphere.
A decent strength build is: Boots of Speed, Battlefury, Heart of Tarrasque

item list: http://www.dota-allstars.com/items
hero list: http://www.dota-allstars.com/heroes

[Proelite]

K. Won the last game that I was in with evilcookie, akia, and fellow neogaffers. 2 new people on both sides. I got first blood 20 secs in to the game lol.

For people who are new to dota, study each heroe's skill, and get items that complements their skills. For heroes who cuts armor, get stygian or assualt cuirass. For a hero with a lot of disables, get guinsoo. For heroes with passive bash, get cranium bashers. In addition, get items that boosts your primary stats. Round the inventory out with a healing item, either life steal, or regen.

Pick a hero to start with that suits your liking. Read their in-depth strategy at www.dotastrategy.com.

It won't be long Actually fairly long, before you hear your first "killing spree!".

[Quagm1r3]

hero list: http://www.dota-allstars.com/heroes

Good GOD that's a lot of heroes. When I get my new computer this is going to be a must play for me. Do you need WC3 to play this game?

[Proelite]

Good GOD that's a lot of heroes. When I get my new computer this is going to be a must play for me. Do you need WC3 to play this game?

yeah. You need frozen throne and wc3.

[Akia]

Good GOD that's a lot of heroes. When I get my new computer this is going to be a must play for me. Do you need WC3 to play this game?

You need Warcraft 3 and the Frozen Throne expansion pack to start playing. There is a battle chest with both games in the box. Warcraft 3 is an incredible game so think of it like your getting 2 different games for the price of one.

To download dota just got to http://getdota.com

[Quagm1r3]

Well WC3 was already on my list of must get games once I get rid of this P.O.S. rig. DOTA is that much more of a plus then I guess... I'm slowly starting to realize that every game that comes out of blizz. seems to be golden.

[Ferrio]

TO anyone new to the game, I suggest playing -arem (All random easy mode). Means your hero will be randomly assigned and easy mode makes stuff easier to kill and more gold etc...

Now it may sound weird to suggest arem as a new person, but here's why:

- Random heroes makes sure the other team full of friends can't make the perfect team.

- Random heroes will *force* you to get acquainted with all the characters. The most important thing in the game is knowing what your enemies' heroes are capable of, not what your hero is.

- Easy mode, it's... easier.

[Dina]

Oh I can recommend Sand King for noobs. His Sandstorm ability makes you practically invisible and you can kill mobs in it. I believe it also damages mobs for easy moneyz. Once you get to lvl 6, pop a borrow strike, stunning the enemy hero, then pop his ultimate. Epicentre can easily shred heroes on 60% to zero in a few seconds. And then you pop Sandstorm and you are safe again.

[hobart]

Wow... I started a thread looking for DOTA players... maybe a month ago... over in the online forums. I still play daily but I don't have a steady name (can be seen as: iambadde, millivanilli, and hobart-aj). I'll most likely end up with Apple-Jax.

Let's see if we can play tonight... I'm really looking to play more inhouse... but also... with guys I can actually learn from rather than the normal (OMG U SO SUXXOR NIG***!!!).

Lemme know.

[hteng]

it all boils down to how well you do at the start of the match. Last hits are important, so as denying your own creeps, pressuring your opponent( making him/her retreat constantly) is the key to winning.

I'll usually buy a baesilles ring (except for heroes that don't use alot of mana) for my first item and a couple of trees. if you are a str hero just go for like.. 3 gauntlets. Melees get last hit easier where as range needs to be abit more precise. I think tankers are the easiest to play since they have good hp and very tough late game.

[DonasaurusRex]

it all boils down to how well you do at the start of the match. Last hits are important, so as denying your own creeps, pressuring your opponent( making him/her retreat constantly) is the key to winning. I'll usually buy a baesilles ring (except for heroes that don't use alot of mana) for my first item and a couple of trees. if you are a str hero just go for like.. 3 gauntlets. Melees get last hit easier where as range needs to be abit more precise. I think tankers are the easiest to play since they have good hp and very tough late game.

for a novice a late game str hero is the ...worst one you can get, something like razor or drow, or crystal maiden would be more ideal they can learn about the creep waves better. A noob str hero will do nothing but get harrased and out leveled to the point of insignificance. Yes hero's like the lycan and night stalker are gods of the field late game but, in the hands of a new player against enchantress or Zues, Gorgon, CM, razor...hah they're never going to level and will be left behind in items and level. The only str hero i could really endorse for novices is the tidehunter or maybe the centaur king, tide hunter is one of the most amazing tanks in the game period and has an easy to use ult. The centaur can take a beating but in the hands of a novice wont be doing much killing.

[ickingfudiot]

for a novice a late game str hero is the ...worst one you can get, something like razor or drow, or crystal maiden would be more ideal they can learn about the creep waves better. A noob str hero will do nothing but get harrased and out leveled to the point of insignificance. Yes hero's like the lycan and night stalker are gods of the field late game but, in the hands of a new player against enchantress or Zues, Gorgon, CM, razor...hah they're never going to level and will be left behind in items and level. The only str hero i could really endorse for novices is the tidehunter or maybe the centaur king, tide hunter is one of the most amazing tanks in the game period and has an easy to use ult. The centaur can take a beating but in the hands of a novice wont be doing much killing.

I'd probably agree with that, a well played STR hero can be the most dominating force in DOTA but it's all about surviving early and not taking too much damage when you can avoid it, neither of which are particularly intuitive when you first start DOTA. People don't usually pick up how to avoid creep damage or use tangos/regen effectively early until they've been playing for at least awhile.

To the guy that asked about taking damage from creep/heroes/etc., the best strategy is to *never* tank creep - only engage the enemy early on with a group of your own creep nearby. If something attacks you you can ALWAYS retreat a bit and they'll reset and attack your creep, and then you can safely re-engage and beat on them with no repercussions. Also keep in mind if you ever attack an enemy hero near opposing creep/towers they will all focus on you immediately (and vice versa - so if an enemy hero is harassing you, just make sure you have some creep buddies around to deter him or her. That said, if it's a distance character, especially an early game nuker like Zeus, there's not much you can do except buy some healing items like Tangos or a Ring of Health and take the beating until you're high enough level to retaliate effectively).

[Proelite]

The best hero for noobs to learn is probably the dwarven sniper. Insane range and adsp. Awesome early harasser, and mid-late game damage dealer.

Early game-
Start with ring of regeneration, + 2 circlets of nobility
Add boots, and complete two wraith bands

Deny creeps, last hit, and harass enemy heroes with your longer range. Don't ever get cluster shot until level 7. Get bash and take aim instead. Assissinate heroes when they're below 200 hp.

Mid game-
Get sange first for the health, and then yasha.
Get a perseverance.
Start working toward your eye of skadi by switching out te wraith bands with ultimate orbs.

Run and shoot at heroes. Run around the map killing creeps with your scatter shot.

Late game-
Finish your eye of skadi. Work toward a butterfly.

By this time you should be above level twenty. Start your engagements with an assissinate, and then attack and retreat to harass their health to below 500 hp. Engage and assissinate if they run.

Final items-

Boots of travel, sange & yasha, eye of skadi, butterfly, buriza, linken's sphere.
Don't ever get MKB or bashers since your passive headshot bash cancels the previous bashes out and vice versa.

[Defuser]

The best hero for noobs to learn is probably the dwarven sniper. Insane range and adsp. Awesome early harasser, and mid-late game damage dealer. Early game- Start with ring of regeneration, + 2 circlets of nobility Add boots, and complete two wraith bands Deny creeps, last hit, and harass enemy heroes with your longer range. Don't ever get cluster shot until level 7. Get bash and take aim instead. Assissinate heroes when they're below 200 hp. Mid game- Get sange first for the health, and then yasha. Get a perseverance. Start working toward your eye of skadi by switching out te wraith bands with ultimate orbs. Run and shoot at heroes. Run around the map killing creeps with your scatter shot. Late game- Finish your eye of skadi. Work toward a butterfly. By this time you should be above level twenty. Start your engagements with an assissinate, and then attack and retreat to harass their health to below 500 hp. Engage and assissinate if they run. Final items- Boots of travel, sange & yasha, eye of skadi, butterfly, buriza, linken's sphere. Don't ever get MKB or bashers since your passive headshot bash cancels the previous bashes out and vice versa.

That's a horrible strategy and lots of false info.
1)MKB does not cancel out headshot.They work well together.
2)Nobody buy skadi that early
3)pumping scattershot skill early is a stupid move,it should be pump at late game.

[ElyrionX]

heh noob , your first item depends on who you pick. For instance you should not be buying hp items or regen if you have yunero as your hero. You def want boots if you know what you are doing because his aoe attack is the most powerful in the game early on but his move speed may very well be the worst making it easy to avoid but with the boots anyone without blink is screwed *since all the proz buy hp and regen items*. Not only is it the most op move in the first few levels but it grants magic immunity so you can laugh while a caster hero realizes they're screwed and its too late to run. Basically only the omni knight can counter this ability early game and only axe can ult thru it. Everyone else will be a victim of first blood giving you plenty of time to farm , exp and gold to buy regen and hp items.

That's poor advice. If you don't buy at least a RoR, you won't be able to stay on the frontlines to farm for long, especially for a noob. If you're going to suggest putting a point or two into healing ward, then he won't have the mana to spam both, which defeats the purpose of the strategy in the first place. The only people who can get away successfully without regen items or consumables (potions, trees, etc) in early game are the really really good players.

The strategy you're suggesting is pretty high level for what is, in the first place, a difficult hero to play. I have seen it executed extremely well before but it takes a huge amount of skill. A Juggernaut that is controlled by a noob WILL feed in early game (especially with your strategy) and that will essentially kill off his mid to late game since Juggernaut is extremely item-dependant in mid to late game.

Long story short, don't bother trying to play Juggernaut if you're a noob.

[ElyrionX]

That's a horrible strategy and lots of false info. 1)MKB does not cancel out headshot.They work well together. 2)Nobody buy skadi that early 3)pumping scattershot skill early is a stupid move,it should be pump at late game.

I largely agree with 1 and 2 but disagree with 3.

I have played a shit ton of games with sniper and I have tried both strategies of taking scatter early and late. I believe it largely depends on who you're playing against.

If you're playing against heroes with strong defensive skills or very high HPs or who are very skillful, you're going to want scattershot early since that helps you farm all the way from early to mid to late game. You're not going to be killing much with assassination anyway.

If you're playing against noobs or intel or fragile agil heroes, taking scattershot late might be viable because you can farm gold by getting hero kills with assassinate.

However, in the grand scheme of things, taking scatter early generally never goes wrong, especially for noobs. It's a great farming skill and for a hero that has little opportunity to use his only other mana-draining skill, it's just a great skill to have all the time. Let's not forget that sniper is extremely item-dependant and taking scatter early will help towards owning in mid to late game.

[Ferrio]

Sniper I always go treads->lothars first. Reason being lothars is a decent attack boost, but more importantly you get wind walk. Sniper is so fucking fragile, so it's nice to have a way to escape until you're able to pump him to god mode.

[ickingfudiot]

I guess I'm weird, I always just pick up a couple Tangos and never buy a RoR and I do fine with just about any hero. If I'm playing a str hero, to be fair, I usually go Vanguard, though. Vanguard on a good tank char is just unfair in a lot of cases (hello, Bristleback with Vanguard, Heart, and maxed dmg. reduction skill)

[ElyrionX]

for a novice a late game str hero is the ...worst one you can get, something like razor or drow, or crystal maiden would be more ideal they can learn about the creep waves better. A noob str hero will do nothing but get harrased and out leveled to the point of insignificance. Yes hero's like the lycan and night stalker are gods of the field late game but, in the hands of a new player against enchantress or Zues, Gorgon, CM, razor...hah they're never going to level and will be left behind in items and level. The only str hero i could really endorse for novices is the tidehunter or maybe the centaur king, tide hunter is one of the most amazing tanks in the game period and has an easy to use ult. The centaur can take a beating but in the hands of a novice wont be doing much killing.

Pretty much spot-on except for the part about Tidehunter. Have you ever seen a noob use TH? They SUCK. That's due to the fact that TH, in general has low HP compared to other str heroes. His ult is super awesome but is only good in the hands of a pro. Noobs will generally waste them most of the time and that thing takes a longass time to cd.

Centaur Warchief is a far superior str hero to recommend to noobs to use. He has excellent base HP as well as str growth and has three strong defensive skills (Warstomp, Thorns Aura and +36 str ult).

[ickingfudiot]

Pretty much spot-on except for the part about Tidehunter. Have you ever seen a noob use TH? They SUCK. That's due to the fact that TH, in general has low HP compared to other str heroes. His ult is super awesome but is only good in the hands of a pro. Noobs will generally waste them most of the time and that thing takes a longass time to cd. Centaur Warchief is a far superior str hero to recommend to noobs to use. He has excellent base HP as well as str growth and has three strong defensive skills (Warstomp, Thorns Aura and +36 str ult).

Don't underestimate Tidehunter's natural armor skill. His damage reduction borders on obscene - depending on who you're fighting, can make a bigger difference than the extra HP on a few other STR heroes. That said, Centaur is a good choice.

[ElyrionX]

Sniper I always go treads->lothars first. Reason being lothars is a decent attack boost, but more importantly you get wind walk. Sniper is so fucking fragile, so it's nice to have a way to escape until you're able to pump him to god mode.

That's a good strategy though I generally prefer SnY, especially for games where your own team has a Techies or a natural-WW hero (Bone, BH, etc).

SnY is more expensive than Lothars but it offers increased movement speed and increased health which helps the sniper survive early to mid game. In addition, you get increased damage and attack speed as well as an orb effect that slows the occasional hero for you, which helps a lot since sniper has no natural disable.

A good player will also rarely get backstabbed or ambushed which reduces the advantage that Lothars offers over SnY.

[Defuser]

rshot late might be viable because you can farm gold by getting hero kills with assassinate. However, in the grand scheme of things, taking scatter early generally never goes wrong, especially for noobs. It's a great farming skill and for a hero that has little opportunity to use his only other mana-draining skill, it's just a great skill to have all the time. Let's not forget that sniper is extremely item-dependant and taking scatter early will help towards owning in mid to late game.

That's the problem.Scatter drains his mana and his manapool is little so he may not have enough to do his ulti.

[ElyrionX]

That's the problem.Scatter drains his mana and his manapool is little so he may not have enough to do his ulti.

A good player will always ensure that he has enough mana for one assassinate when he needs it.

Besides, even with assassinate and no scattershot, it still isn't an easy task for sniper to kill other heroes on his own in early to mid game. You typically have to rely on teammates to help with the ganking. And even IF you can get the kills in early to mid game, the gold and exp you obtain from hero kills may not necessarily outweigh the gold from scatter.

There's also the fact that scatter is an excellent defensive skill. If you don't take scattershot right from the start, and if your towers start falling rapidly early on, you might not be able to skill up to level 4 in time to help your team's defense. I've seen this happen way too many times. A low level sniper without level 4 scattershot is practically useless in defending bases.

[DonasaurusRex]

That's poor advice. If you don't buy at least a RoR, you won't be able to stay on the frontlines to farm for long, especially for a noob. If you're going to suggest putting a point or two into healing ward, then he won't have the mana to spam both, which defeats the purpose of the strategy in the first place. The only people who can get away successfully without regen items or consumables (potions, trees, etc) in early game are the really really good players. The strategy you're suggesting is pretty high level for what is, in the first place, a difficult hero to play. I have seen it executed extremely well before but it takes a huge amount of skill. A Juggernaut that is controlled by a noob WILL feed in early game (especially with your strategy) and that will essentially kill off his mid to late game since Juggernaut is extremely item-dependant in mid to late game. Long story short, don't bother trying to play Juggernaut if you're a noob.

The jugg is different , very different but whats the point of all the heroes if you dont try them. Basically i was saying that in teh case of juggs you DO want boots of speed as your first item theres no question about it. First off you will get a ring of regen but not before you get bracers of str , str is also a source of regen and since literally only a handful of chars can even stand up to juggs early game having +stats and bracers is more than enough, having little hp and great regen < having lots of hp and solid regen.

Yunero is lacking in 2 things hp and movement speed and you have to work on these first. Second it does not take a huge amt of skill to do this tactic just practice, he is very different from most melee classes from level one he can be on the offensive where as most melee classes are biding their time yunero is sucking in anyone who is so pros they think he will sit back. Unlike just about any other melee class in the game it is not a good idea to hand out by the tower with him, he is horrible mid game outside of a few select situations you must harrass with blade fury. Most melee classes go from poor to solid to OP in level progression, Yunero however goes from overpowered to fair to unstoppable , so its best to reach those mid levels faster than everyone else and with his skills its more than possible.

I dont even know why you brought up the healing totem this is the absolute last skill he needs, he will never have good mana outside of pouring thousands of gold into items, his int level bonus is only better than the PA. The mana cost , yunero's shitty int and the timer means you should not invest in this at all till level...17 or higher and save it for group pushes or to maul someone one on one later in the game. Also it scales so its far more effective when he has over 2k hps than when he has 500.

As far as spamming blade fury goes...well the timer is 30 secs, and like i said early game one will be more than enough for the 1 - 6 levels, which is why you must have the boots of speed to ensure you arent kited and waste the move. Leveling , items and +stats bonus will give him plenty of mana for blade fury. You arent supposed to spam it , just be patient knowning that early game you are just about the only char with more than 330 move speed and a spell that does 400 dmg at level 1... that gives magic immunity. You will either kill someone or have them running back to their base.

I never said he was a noob hero but he is an example of a hero that will suffer with the usual regen/+stat items as their first purchase. He's not an expert hero either just a very unique one.

[CastleBravo]

I stop playing for a month and they go and add a new hero! I'm going to have to login and try him out. DotA is so awesome.

[Pureauthor]

I'm going to reiterate that I far prefer Classic, RoC DotA to TFT's Allstars. But then again I was there when people still knew who Eul was. Young whippersnappers these days...

That aside, Drow is pretty good for a newb, from what I recall. Of course, I'm still not up to speed on many heroes, so I just play random. If I pick a late-game strength? Oh, well, luck of the draw. Try not to attract too much attention, etc.

Oh, and the concept behind denying is idiotic.

[DonasaurusRex]

I'm going to reiterate that I far prefer Classic, RoC DotA to TFT's Allstars. But then again I was there when people still knew who Eul was. Young whippersnappers these days... That aside, Drow is pretty good for a newb, from what I recall. Of course, I'm still not up to speed on many heroes, so I just play random. If I pick a late-game strength? Oh, well, luck of the draw. Try not to attract too much attention, etc. Oh, and the concept behind denying is idiotic.

Drow is still good for a new player, easy to farm but pitiful hp, she is highly dependent on getting the correct items to survive late game , the problem is most people try to use her as a killer late game but she is a great team player with silence. She's no longer as high up in the ranks as she used to be though. Try out manta style on her its a pretty fun build if you dont mind losing other orb effects.

[ickingfudiot]

I'm going to reiterate that I far prefer Classic, RoC DotA to TFT's Allstars. But then again I was there when people still knew who Eul was. Young whippersnappers these days... That aside, Drow is pretty good for a newb, from what I recall. Of course, I'm still not up to speed on many heroes, so I just play random. If I pick a late-game strength? Oh, well, luck of the draw. Try not to attract too much attention, etc. Oh, and the concept behind denying is idiotic.

I loved classic back in the day, that's how my friends and I got into DOTA. I sort of miss the days of pumping one guy on your team with all your gold, haha. My roommate and I would play the healer/wolf combo on scourge and just wreck people.

That said, the community for Allstars is just so much bigger and there's so many more item paths to take, it can be more fun to pick up and play, but I think classic was probably the superior game.

[Pureauthor]

What the heck? I've downloaded the file three times now and yet whenever I go on B.Net it shows me downloading the game.

[sedaku]

Im on USeast too, sedaku.

Where are all of you at ?

[Nykad]

What the heck? I've downloaded the file three times now and yet whenever I go on B.Net it shows me downloading the game.

Answer: Because you didnt put the map file into your drive:\programfiles\warcraft3\maps\downloads folder. Or you just didnt unzip it.

edit: noob

[Pureauthor]

As it turned out, your advice wasn't accurate. But thanks for it anyway.

[hobart]

Trying to compile a list of players --> GAF Player DOTA List

Let's get it going guys.

[evlcookie]

Wait .. u can buy tree's?

I really need to look into what you can buy.

[Ferrio]

Wait .. u can buy tree's? I really need to look into what you can buy.

You can buy these things called "tangos" which allow you to eat trees to restore health. Only good for very early game.

[evlcookie]

You can buy these things called "tangos" which allow you to eat trees to restore health. Only good for very early game.

Ah. That explains why i noticed someone eating a tree durring my first game. Thanks.

[Son of Godzilla]

Pfft, everyone knows you go mana ring first.

[esbern]

I think there are almost hit 90 heroes now. You should first figure out what hero type do you want, ranged or melee. Then pick between the 3 classes which are agility, intelligence, and strength. If your a beginner start playing with Razor or Luna. They are agility heroes that require very little upkeep. A decent agility build is: Boots of Speed, Sange&Yasha, Butterfly A decent intelligence build is: Boots of Speed, Gunisoo (aka Sheep Stick), Linken Sphere. A decent strength build is: Boots of Speed, Battlefury, Heart of Tarrasque item list: http://www.dota-allstars.com/items hero list: http://www.dota-allstars.com/heroes

s&y is not a good item by any means, and is a waste of money.

[esbern]

I guess I'm weird, I always just pick up a couple Tangos and never buy a RoR and I do fine with just about any hero. If I'm playing a str hero, to be fair, I usually go Vanguard, though. Vanguard on a good tank char is just unfair in a lot of cases (hello, Bristleback with Vanguard, Heart, and maxed dmg. reduction skill)

completely agree...i always go tangoes. RoR is too much.

[Akia]

s&y is not a good item by any means, and is a waste of money.

whatever you say boss. s&y hasn't failed me in the past.