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Found this Peter Molynuex interview about Fable 2; here is the part I found intersting...

Originally Posted by Molynuex

All I can say is that Microsoft is an incredibly smart company and I never fail to be impressed by just how clever they are. Don’t forget this is the company which pioneered LIVE which I believe will ultimately be far more impactful on video games in the long term than something like the Wii controller.

http://xbox360.canaljuegos.com/XBox3...&juego=Fable+2

SUPRISE

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It's obviously too early to tell which will have the most longstanding impact, but I can see what he says being true potentially. I can also see it being false. I don't think anyone can really say right now.

If all he is saying is "the internet has more possibilities than waggle" I really can't argue.

I blame WiiFit.

This will end well.


/Plant a seed and watch the tree grow as you age

On a related note, Kaz thinks PSN is "wai cooler" than XBL.

seems reasonable to me.

The market is proving him wrong right now. VERY wrong.

Originally Posted by WHOAguitarninja

It's obviously too early to tell which will have the most longstanding impact, but I can see what he says being true potentially. I can also see it being false. I don't think anyone can really say right now.

The power of the internet vs. the power of a couple gyros and an accelerometer?

Remember: the Wiimote could easily be ripped off and used on other systems. Then Nintendo would be back to square one with relying on 1st party franchises to keep the system afloat. There's no reason why any system can't have both.

I hope that sounds objective enough-- not trying to start a flame war.

Originally Posted by Mamesj

The power of the internet

xboxlive = internet :lol

Originally Posted by cw_sasuke

xboxlive = internet :lol

agreed this deserves a second lawl.

Developer of Microsoft game likes Microsoft.

I bet Insomniac will talk about how great Blu-Ray is next.

Then we can sit down with Retro over tea while we discuss why using the nunchuck to grapple is more important than the advent of chess.

well potentially this silly little waggle wand could bring down the reign of the Playstation. To me thats pretty consequential.

Originally Posted by DeaconKnowledge

The market is proving him wrong right now. VERY wrong.

he said long term.

Originally Posted by DeaconKnowledge

The market is proving him wrong right now. VERY wrong.

Not really. You can't judge how a market will develop based on the sales over a single year. If it turns out that from this point foward every single console in the future is waggle enabled(god i hope not), then it may be that the Wii-mote is more impactful, but I think it's far more likely to see a future where online integration and digital distribution of media is more commonplace and integral to the experience than a waggle controller.

The power of the internet vs. the power of a couple gyros and an accelerometer?

Remember: the Wiimote could easily be ripped off and used on other systems. Then Nintendo would be back to square one with relying on 1st party franchises to keep the system afloat. There's no reason why any system can't have both.

I hope that sounds objective enough-- not trying to start a flame war.

While I'd certainly say that right now I think he's right, if the Wii-mote becomes the standard method of interaction, then I think a case could be made for it. I don't think it will, but if it happens that it does it will be hard to ignore as a hugely hugely important development in the industry.

Originally Posted by Mamesj

Remember: the Wiimote could easily be ripped off and used on other systems.

If the Wiimote gets ripped off by another company, won't that prove that it's consequential?

Live has already made it's impact. All systems and handhelds use some sort of online system, no matter how crappy.

The wii-mote hasn't. Only one system actually uses it.

I personally see this as saying "The analog stick is far less consequential than rumble"

I agree with the man.


The Wii will be insignificant when the PS4 mind-control gameplay device is unveiled.

Originally Posted by ShockingAlberto

Developer of Microsoft game likes Microsoft.

I bet Insomniac will talk about how great Blu-Ray is next.

Then we can sit down with Retro over tea while we discuss why using the nunchuck to grapple is more important than the advent of chess.

Pretty much what I'm thinking.

Waggle + Live? Now thats a combination.

Originally Posted by cw_sasuke

xboxlive = internet :lol

Close.

XBL=Pay for your own internet. Again

Peter Molyneux: I'm far less consequential than I think I am

Originally Posted by WHOAguitarninja

Not really. You can't judge how a market will develop based on the sales over a single year. If it turns out that from this point foward every single console in the future is waggle enabled(god i hope not), then it may be that the Wii-mote is more impactful, but I think it's far more likely to see a future where online integration and digital distribution of media is more commonplace and integral to the experience than a waggle controller.

While this is true, XBOX Live has been on the market since what, 2003? As far as I can see it has has had 4 years to prove itself an unquestionable hallmark of the industry and still hasn't been able to do so.

Is the internet an important part of gaming? I think so, but as far as Wiimote vs. XBOX Live specifically, I really think the cards have been laid down.

Originally Posted by cw_sasuke

xboxlive = internet :lol

There you have it, Microsoft invented the internet. And sure enough the bastards from Sony copied it!

Originally Posted by belvedere

Close.

XBL=Pay for your own internet. Again

lol, i see what you did there

I see lips flapping but instead of words, bullshit is coming out

Originally Posted by cw_sasuke

xboxlive = internet :lol

Umm, yeah smart guy, xbox live is something that utilizes networking power and internet connections to run, thus, the power of the internet, which holds a lot of potential--it's not static.

A wii remote will still be a wii remote in 50 years. Fine tuned with a couple new features perhaps, but it may not look a whole lot different from what we see today.


some very slight critical thinking would've uncovered this for you. ;-)

My favorite system is better than your favorite system.




I think I am going to start saying this in every thread that devolves into system wars until I get banned.

Originally Posted by DeaconKnowledge

While this is true, XBOX Live has been on the market since what, 2003? As far as I can see it has has had 4 years to prove itself an unquestionable hallmark of the industry and still hasn't been able to do so.

Is the internet an important part of gaming? I think so, but as far as Wiimote vs. XBOX Live specifically, I really think the cards have been laid down.

It's not about proving to be a hallmark of the industry...it's about influencing the development of it. Sony has responded with PSN, even Nintendo is online now. Every console developer has certainly taken notice of what MS has done and are trying to come up with something to atleast compare to it. This is what he's talking about. It is still WAY too early to tell what longterm effects the Wii-mote will have on how consoles go forward in the future. Like I said it may become the defacto standard method of control, then you would have an argument for it, but it's simply too early to tell right now.

oh shit console WARZ

And yeah connectivity is far more consequential than a new control scheme, but this has nothing to do with the 360.

If I had to choose....

xbox live > waggle...

but to each his own.

I think Wii-mote will have a bigger impact on casuals. Far less "intimidating"

Originally Posted by Billy Rygar

oh shit console WARZ

And yeah connectivity is far more consequential than a new control scheme, but this has nothing to do with the 360.

exactly what I'm saying, but apparently it's more fun to interpret words incorrectly and use them on people instead of discussing things.

Xbox live is an extension of something larger and more dynamic than its self. Xbox Live could evolve pretty far on its own, but that's not the ground level.

Originally Posted by Сrushed

If the Wiimote gets ripped off by another company, won't that prove that it's consequential?

I didn't say it was going to be inconsequential. damn.

Hey if he's not making games for MS he might as well be a spokesperson to earn his pay.

Each has its own merits and could potentially be more influential. It's too early to tell right now, but I think long term that XBL does have a lot more potential.

I should add that what I'm arguing is not what Molyneaux is arguing. I swear I'm not trying to suck Bill Gates' penis :lol

A paid for online service with ads should not be praised.


ps Wii has internet browsing.

i'm not sure how anyone could disagree. there are far more possibilities of online gaming and the entire community system set up than for the Wii-mote. that's not to say the Wii-mote isn't impressive or impactful, but i think there are more possibilities with a closely knit online community than for an input device.

Remember when he said the wiimote would be revolutionary.....before he was bought by MS.......:lol

Originally Posted by MrPing1000

A paid for online service with ads should not be praised.


ps Wii has internet browsing.

agreed! but I still like XBL if only because of the demos

Originally Posted by WHOAguitarninja

It's not about proving to be a hallmark of the industry...it's about influencing the development of it. Sony has responded with PSN, even Nintendo is online now. Every console developer has certainly taken notice of what MS has done and are trying to come up with something to atleast compare to it. This is what he's talking about. It is still WAY too early to tell what longterm effects the Wii-mote will have on how consoles go forward in the future. Like I said it may become the defacto standard method of control, then you would have an argument for it, but it's simply too early to tell right now.

Frankly I think that's bullshit.


Sony has been online with the PS2 for years and it as a system has proved to be far more popular than XBOX Live. So what is it? Are we distilling the service into "internet gaming" or are we looking for the entire package that XBOX LIVE offers?

Live improves every X360 experience.

The Wiimote does not make every Wii game better.

By that tiny criteria, Peter Molyneux is clearly correct.

Originally Posted by Mamesj

The power of the internet vs. the power of a couple gyros and an accelerometer?

Remember: the Wiimote could easily be ripped off and used on other systems. Then Nintendo would be back to square one with relying on 1st party franchises to keep the system afloat. There's no reason why any system can't have both.

I hope that sounds objective enough-- not trying to start a flame war.

The Wii has far more "internet" functionality than the 360.

There you have it, Microsoft invented the internet. And sure enough the bastards from Sony copied it!

ahem.

Originally Posted by DeaconKnowledge

Frankly I think that's bullshit.


Sony has been online with the PS2 for years and it as a system has proved to be far more popular than XBOX Live. So what is it? Are we distilling the service into "internet gaming" or are we looking for the entire package that XBOX LIVE offers?

XBL is a unified service that brings a lot more than just internet gaming to the table. While the PS2 did have a online service, it was not unified and relied heavily on the developers to bring their own online model to fruition. And from what I remember, I don't think the PS2 online was ever more popular than XBL, I could be wrong though.

XBL is one of the best things to happen to gaming. Every company is trying to match it

Originally Posted by DeaconKnowledge

The market is proving him wrong right now. VERY wrong.

"'which I believe will ultimately be far more impactful on video games in the long run"
I think he conceded that point already. Just saying.

So, online coop confirmed for Fable 2 ?

Originally Posted by Prine

XBL is one of the best things to happen to gaming. Every company is trying to match it

Nintendo isn't trying to match it. Sony is trying to surpass it.