Damn... Advance Wars DS 2 is serious business

GDJustin · (10-11-2007, 07:10 PM)

Brief background: I run an Advance Wars website as a hobby, and its more-or-less the home for the hardcore AW community. Whenever a new game is announced I'm amazed at how much real info they can glean from blurry videos and a couple pics.

It's no exception this time around. Here's the AWDS2 discussion board, where everyone is sorting through what is known about the game:

http://www.advancewarsnet.com/forums...p?showforum=33

Some notes about the (very) dark plot have been revealed, and they're the reason I'm making this thread:

Translated pretty roughly:

""huge meteors had struck the earth
heat had burnt the world
earthquake had smashed the world
tsunami had swallowed the world

90% of mankind have died. "

Other things members have translated:

-near the Laboratory-

Rin saying:we're in trouble at living with a bit food, and moreover,unknown diseases are there...

Ed: No one is here too ... have everyone died? everyone...

...yeah. Apparently IntSys learned their lesson with the previous three Advance Wars games, where the COs were 11 years old and were basically playing war with each other, presumably killing thousands of troops in the process. "Wow! That was a fun battle. We should do it again sometime!"

This time IntSys went in the opposite direction, killing "90% of mankind," ha.

Aeris130 · (10-11-2007, 07:13 PM)

The biggest news with this title is that they're finally compensating for the screen gap.

But disease and natural disasters will do.

Pureauthor · (10-11-2007, 07:15 PM)

AWNet? I think I was a member there once...

Anyway, it was known to be 'post-apocalyptic' almost from the get-go, so this fits the bill.

I wonder if the Old Guard will make an appearance in any form.

GDJustin · (10-11-2007, 07:15 PM)

If anyone's interested, based on the brief french video, we know the following units, as well:

Infantry
Bazooka
Motorbike (new)
Recon
APC
Anti-Air
Tank
Md. Tank
Mega-Tank

Artillery
Defender Cannon (aka. "super artillery") (new)
Rockets
Missiles

Edit:

Originally Posted by Pureauthor:

I wonder if the Old Guard will make an appearance in any form.

I don't see how they could. Andy, Sami etc. just wouldn't fit, unless they darkened them up as well. But then they wouldn't be the same people. Might as well go with an all new cast.

haircut · (10-11-2007, 07:17 PM)

Not that I won't buy this, but I'll miss Jake telling the Black Hole CO's about how they got owneded.

Jiggy · (10-11-2007, 07:26 PM)

So, wait. 90% of the world has been wiped out by natural disasters, yet people are still having wars. And they still have bases to produce units.

Weird.

Pellham · (10-11-2007, 07:26 PM)

interesting storyline

I forgot to get the original AW DS, i should pick it up and play through it before I get this.

Saitou · (10-11-2007, 07:28 PM)

WHAT DID I SAY? I CALLED IT

GRIM N' GRITTY ADVANCE WARS FUCK YES

I AM FAPPING AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT OH MY GOD MY PENIS IT BURNS THE BLOOD AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Pureauthor · (10-11-2007, 07:30 PM)

Originally Posted by Jiggy37:

And they still have bases to produce units.

They key to repopulating the world, what else?

That aside, I would assume that fighting over the remaining scraps of resources would cause wars to be more intense than ever before.

Crushed · (10-11-2007, 07:34 PM)

Originally Posted by Jiggy37:

So, wait. 90% of the world has been wiped out by natural disasters, yet people are still having wars. And they still have bases to produce units.

Weird.

There's currently ~6,700,000,000 people on Earth. The Advance Wars world seems to have more futuristic technology, so we can say around 7,000,000,000-9,000,000,000 people or so.

That's still 700-900 million people left on Earth, which is around how many humans were on Earth during the years 1700-1800. It's not like people had trouble having wars or building bases before then.

Jiggy · (10-11-2007, 07:39 PM)

It's not the population that makes me question.

It's where they're getting the ability to build their Megatanks and Battleships and such, and pull off large-scale 70-day battles, when presumably loads of resources were destroyed by meteors, buried underground by earthquakes, buried underground and under water by tsunamis, etc.

ShockingAlberto · (10-11-2007, 07:42 PM)

They have finally made an awesome Fail Safe game.

TOOK LONG ENOUGH, INDUSTRY

Pureauthor · (10-11-2007, 07:43 PM)

Originally Posted by Jiggy37:

It's not the population that makes me question.

It's where they're getting all the resources to build their Megatanks and Battleships everything, and pull off large-scale 70-day battles, when presumably loads of resources were destroyed by meteors, buried underground by earthquakes, buried underground and under water by tsunamis, etc.

By spending 7000 gold to get the resources. Seriously, get with the program.

Also, since I'm pretty certain that none of you actually visited the site (and for me, going back was a pretty nice trip down nostalgia lane. I might have to re-favourite the site), I'll just bring some of the site to you:

See this pic here? See the laser cannon? The standard BH stuff we've seen since AW2, one might assume.

Look closer. There's a cursor above the 'laser', indicating that it's currently the player's turn. And the laser is firing anyway. It's probably a ray that'll damage any troops that pass through, or an outright impassable barrier and you'll need to destroy one of the two 'nodes' before it deactivates. New stuff ahoy!

zomboid · (10-11-2007, 07:45 PM)

This looks so incredibly awesome. I love the other games in the series, but the were getting very samey after 3 games. 100% approve!

FoxHimself · (10-11-2007, 07:46 PM)

Originally Posted by Saitou:

WHAT DID I SAY? I CALLED IT

GRIM N' GRITTY ADVANCE WARS FUCK YES

I AM FAPPING AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT OH MY GOD MY PENIS IT BURNS THE BLOOD AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

TIME AND SPACE NO LONGER MATTER!!!!
MY GOD! I'M JERKING OFF AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!

cubicle47b · (10-11-2007, 07:46 PM)

Fuckin' Jake. I hated him so much. I found the cast in AW1 and 2 to be largely ignorable but DS was painful at times.

GDJustin · (10-11-2007, 07:47 PM)

Originally Posted by Pureauthor:

See this pic here? See the laser cannon? The standard BH stuff we've seen since AW2, one might assume.

Look closer. There's a cursor above the 'laser', indicating that it's currently the player's turn. And the laser is firing anyway. It's probably a ray that'll damage any troops that pass through, or an outright impassable barrier and you'll need to destroy one of the two 'nodes' before it deactivates. New stuff ahoy!

Yeah, we noticed the active cursor on the AWN forums yesterday :p

You're right - it means the laser isn't "firing" - its an obstacle - like a wall. And presumably destroying the source will let you pass through.

Pureauthor · (10-11-2007, 07:49 PM)

Originally Posted by GDJustin:

Yeah, we noticed the active cursor on the AWN forums yesterday :p.

You didn't read the rest of my post, did you.

Rentahamster · (10-11-2007, 07:50 PM)

There have been pretty dark themes in AW before, right?

Didn't Lash wipe out Olaf's hometown in AW:2 so she could test out her new weapons? I think that's why their affinity in AW:DS is only 80%.

Granted, like the OP said, she was loling the whole time...

Phife Dawg · (10-11-2007, 07:51 PM)

I don't care for the storyline all that much either way. I do like the new artstyle and the map, nice, clean and functional. I just know I will sink too much time into this one.

Originally Posted by Pellham:

interesting storyline

I forgot to get the original AW DS, i should pick it up and play through it before I get this.

You'll probably be done with the game when AWDS2 gets released. One of the best games for DS, it'll suck you in.

Prospero · (10-11-2007, 07:53 PM)

Originally Posted by haircut:

Not that I won't buy this, but I'll miss Jake telling the Black Hole CO's about how they got owneded.

"Get the plates, 'cause you just got served!"

Originally Posted by GDJustin:

Apparently IntSys learned their lesson with the previous three Advance Wars games, where the COs were 11 years old and were basically playing war with each other, presumably killing thousands of troops in the process. "Wow! That was a fun battle. We should do it again sometime!"

Dude, they lived on Wars World! If you're born on Wars World into a family of limited means, I think you just have to accept the fact that before you reach marrying age you're going to be sacrificed in combat due to the whims, or the incompetence, of your preadolescent CO. Such is the tragedy of hereditary rule.

Saitou · (10-11-2007, 08:01 PM)

Originally Posted by ShockingAlberto:

They have finally made an awesome Fail Safe game.

TOOK LONG ENOUGH, INDUSTRY

It's not black and white, though.

Also, it's nothing like Fail Safe wtf =/

Also also STILL FAPPING

Koren · (10-11-2007, 08:01 PM)

Originally Posted by Phife Dawg:

You'll probably be done with the game when AWDS2 gets released.

It depends on what you're wanting to do, it took me ~350h before I considered it "done", id est getting S-300 on all maps, all difficulty levels (and not using cheap CO/skills).

Phife Dawg · (10-11-2007, 08:27 PM)

Originally Posted by Koren:

It depends on what you're wanting to do, it took me ~350h before I considered it "done", id est getting S-300 on all maps, all difficulty levels (and not using cheap CO/skills).

Oh man and I thought my 100h were insane for a portable game

. And the second one has online...ouch.

Father_Brain · (10-11-2007, 08:30 PM)

The official title is Advance Wars: Days of Ruin. Ships Jan. 21 in NA.

GDJustin · (10-11-2007, 08:33 PM)

Originally Posted by Father_Brain:

The official title is Advance Wars: Days of Ruin. Ships Jan. 21 in NA.

Where are you getting that info from?

Father_Brain · (10-11-2007, 08:36 PM)

Originally Posted by GDJustin:

Where are you getting that info from?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=198250

Monsterland · (10-11-2007, 08:36 PM)

Anyone know if it has wifi?

jj984jj · (10-11-2007, 08:48 PM)

Originally Posted by Father_Brain:

The official title is Advance Wars: Days of Ruin. Ships Jan. 21 in NA.

JANUARY?!?

TreIII · (10-11-2007, 08:52 PM)

Awesome...

A bit of a shame that it couldn't be here in time to be a stocking stuffing, but an after-Xmas release is fine too...

mwgiii · (10-11-2007, 08:54 PM)

Added to must buy list.

super funk · (10-11-2007, 09:08 PM)

Originally Posted by GDJustin:

I don't see how they could. Andy, Sami etc. just wouldn't fit, unless they darkened them up as well. But then they wouldn't be the same people. Might as well go with an all new cast.

I mentioned this in one of the other AW threads. I dont care if the old cast returns, just as long as some of the better COs return in some form or another. How am I supposed to win without Haichi?! How?! Ahem, I think we may either see the characters included as unlockables outside the story mode or just see replacements for some like with Koal and Jugger.

Anyways, I am looking forward to this game and playing it online against actual people for once should be refreshing.

Daigoro · (10-11-2007, 09:20 PM)

they need to make a mature Andy, with stubble, who smokes.

Jiggy · (10-11-2007, 09:25 PM)

Originally Posted by Phife Dawg:

You'll probably be done with the game when AWDS2 gets released. One of the best games for DS, it'll suck you in.

No such thing as "done" with an Advance Wars game.

Holy Order Sol · (10-11-2007, 09:29 PM)

Needs more Jake awesomeness.

jj984jj · (10-11-2007, 09:29 PM)

Originally Posted by Daigoro:

they need to make a mature Andy, with stubble, who smokes.

Originally Posted by Holy Order Sol:

Needs more Jake awesomeness.

Go back to the last 3 games and dream. I'll be playing this.

Holy Order Sol · (10-11-2007, 09:33 PM)

Originally Posted by jj984jj:

Go back to the last 3 games and dream. I'll be playing this.

Did you really believe that I would pass on the game because of this ?

grandjedi6 · (10-11-2007, 09:35 PM)

Originally Posted by Father_Brain:

The official title is Advance Wars: Days of Ruin. Ships Jan. 21 in NA.

YES!! Awesome game in January here I come

Phife Dawg · (10-11-2007, 09:52 PM)

Originally Posted by Jiggy37:

No such thing as "done" with an Advance Wars game.

Man you guys are too hardcore for me, I should remember never to play a GAFer when this one hits the stores - I'll get owned big time

.

DKnight · (10-11-2007, 09:57 PM)

I think one of the most charming aspects of AW was its lighthearted style, this sense of fake toy war. I don't really dislike this new setting, but the older one was one of the unique marks of identity of the series, and it's sad to see it go... :(

Jiggy · (10-11-2007, 10:09 PM)

Originally Posted by DKnight:

I think one of the most charming aspects of AW was its lighthearted style, this sense of fake toy war. I don't really dislike this new setting, but the older one was one of the unique marks of identity of the series, and it's sad to see it go... :(

Likewise; I'll probably just be mostly ignoring the story and characters this time around. The number of high-quality lighthearted game series in the industry is very low, so seeing one more disappear is a bit melancholic even though the gameplay will be as fantastic as it always was. Kind of like if Dragon Quest and Mario went mature or something. (Though I suspect that some would actually enjoy those things happening, for some reason.)

Anyway, day one buy regardless.

GDJustin · (10-11-2007, 10:11 PM)

Originally Posted by DKnight:

I think one of the most charming aspects of AW was its lighthearted style, this sense of fake toy war. I don't really dislike this new setting, but the older one was one of the unique marks of identity of the series, and it's sad to see it go... :(

I'm with you, actually. I really liked the color palette and spritework in AW1 and AW2.

I'll be picking up Days of Ruin Day 1 regardless (duh), but the style doesn't really appeal to me as much.

Arthursw1 · (10-11-2007, 10:35 PM)

Originally Posted by Jiggy37:

So, wait. 90% of the world has been wiped out by natural disasters, yet people are still having wars. And they still have bases to produce units.

Weird.

yes sounds like real life don't you think? (we keep fighting wars instead of figuring out better ways to not pollute our planet and stuff)

I want this game Advance Wars is always awesome.

Tiktaalik · (10-11-2007, 10:40 PM)

Looks cool but I'm not sure I like how the vehicles are tilted toward the screen. It just looks weird.

charlequin · (10-11-2007, 10:44 PM)

Originally Posted by DKnight:

I think one of the most charming aspects of AW was its lighthearted style, this sense of fake toy war. I don't really dislike this new setting, but the older one was one of the unique marks of identity of the series, and it's sad to see it go... :(

Conversely, I'm going to appreciate not being constantly exposed to the intense cognitive dissonance of happy-go-lucky adolescents constantly and for no reason sending thousands of innocent soldiers to their gruesome deaths.

Miniboss1232 · (10-11-2007, 10:47 PM)

Originally Posted by Father_Brain:

The official title is Advance Wars: Days of Ruin. Ships Jan. 21 in NA.

:O

Okay, I really like this whole Q1 awesomeness thing. I hope it evolves into Q2 awesomeness. Q3 and Q4 have too long held all of the awesomeness. The awesomeness should be spread around to all!

grandjedi6 · (10-11-2007, 10:54 PM)

Originally Posted by Miniboss1232:

:O

Okay, I really like this whole Q1 awesomeness thing. I hope it evolves into Q2 awesomeness. Q3 and Q4 have too long held all of the awesomeness. The awesomeness should be spread around to all!

Oh it'll spread into Q2 awesomeness allright. You see all the awesome Q1 games will be delayed into Q2, making Q2 awesome.

Forgotten Ancient · (10-11-2007, 10:54 PM)

Originally Posted by charlequin:

Conversely, I'm going to appreciate not being constantly exposed to the intense cognitive dissonance of happy-go-lucky adolescents constantly and for no reason sending thousands of innocent soldiers to their gruesome deaths.

The trick is to not let your units die.

jamesinclair · (10-11-2007, 10:54 PM)

I dont like the unit placement. Why are tanks in the water

jj984jj · (10-11-2007, 10:56 PM)

Originally Posted by jamesinclair:

I dont like the unit placement. Why are tanks in the water

They aren't, they're on the bridge.