New iPods incompatible with X360?

Sho Nuff · (10-25-2007, 03:36 AM)

I need someone else to test this out. If you hook up a 3G Nano to the 360 for custom soundtracky goodness, the content database shows up, but the system hangs on trying to play any music track, be it AAC or MP3.

I heard that Apple was doing weird stuff in their newer hardware to lock out 3rd party software, but it seems odd that it wouldn't work on 360.

Anyone else have any luck?

Agent Icebeezy · (10-25-2007, 03:39 AM)

Originally Posted by Sho Nuff:

I need someone else to test this out. If you hook up a 3G Nano to the 360 for custom soundtracky goodness, the content database shows up, but the system hangs on trying to play any music track, be it AAC or MP3.

I heard that Apple was doing weird stuff in their newer hardware to lock out 3rd party software, but it seems odd that it wouldn't work on 360.

Anyone else have any luck?

I don't have one, but I've also read that they are locking it out.

Ten-Song · (10-25-2007, 03:40 AM)

I have an iPod Touch, and it won't work on my 360.

B-Ri · (10-25-2007, 03:40 AM)

they dont have a file system like the other ipods

so incompadible.

Sho Nuff · (10-25-2007, 03:40 AM)

Thanks Apple!

Ten-Song · (10-25-2007, 03:41 AM)

Originally Posted by B-Ri:

they dont have a file system like the other ipods

so incompadible.

Yeah, that shit needs to get patched. It's not just the 360, I can't use it on ANYTHING but iTunes.

B-Ri · (10-25-2007, 03:43 AM)

Originally Posted by Ten-Song:

Yeah, that shit needs to get patched. It's not just the 360, I can't use it on ANYTHING but iTunes.

its on purpose, or else you would be able to go into system files.

SDK units and programs can hopefully make a legit app to allow it.

Diablohead · (10-25-2007, 03:44 AM)

Originally Posted by Ten-Song:

Yeah, that shit needs to get patched. It's not just the 360, I can't use it on ANYTHING but iTunes.

oh apple

alistairw · (10-25-2007, 03:46 AM)

Originally Posted by B-Ri:

its on purpose, or else you would be able to go into system files.

SDK units and programs can hopefully make a legit app to allow it.

Yeah, shit - imagine the chaos that would erupt if people could actually properly use the device they've paid hundreds of dollars for.

Anarchy! Blood in the streets!

Ten-Song · (10-25-2007, 03:46 AM)

Originally Posted by Diablohead:

oh apple

As much as I like their products, it's all this backwards ass stuff they always pull that keeps me a Windows man. (Well... also, I can't use Steam on my MacBook.)

Originally Posted by alistairw:

Yeah, shit - imagine the chaos that would erupt if people could actually properly use the device they've paid hundreds of dollars for.

Anarchy! Blood in the streets!

Yeah, I know, I paid for the music, why the hell should I be able to listen to it?

siamesedreamer · (10-25-2007, 03:47 AM)

This shit has been known for ages. Should've gone with one of these:

B-Ri · (10-25-2007, 03:49 AM)

Originally Posted by alistairw:

Yeah, shit - imagine the chaos that would erupt if people could actually properly use the device they've paid hundreds of dollars for.

Anarchy! Blood in the streets!

then people should buy the other phones then. Its not like many didnt already know a lot of these lockouts since the get go.

Oh well i cant use it on my 360, it be nice it the 360 worked to begin with (thanks RROD on sunday)

My only con on the iphone has been that i cant make my own ringtones (but there are legit nonbricking methods to do so) and with the SDK coming out well get apps.

BigDug13 · (10-25-2007, 03:53 AM)

Wait, so if I upgrade to a new Ipod, I also won't be able to control it from my car stereo anymore either??

Way to alienate an incredibly HUGE number of 3rd party and probably even some 1st party devices designed to access the ipod.

Ten-Song · (10-25-2007, 03:54 AM)

Originally Posted by B-Ri:

then people should buy the other phones then. Its not like many didnt already know a lot of these lockouts since the get go.

Oh well i cant use it on my 360, it be nice it the 360 worked to begin with (thanks RROD on sunday)

My only con on the iphone has been that i cant make my own ringtones (but there are legit nonbricking methods to do so) and with the SDK coming out well get apps.

Yeah, but I don't use AT&T and don't want an iPhone, so I got the iPod Touch. I know the iPhone would have some weird lock-out stuff since it's not just an MP3 player, but to act so weird and do the same shit to something that IS just an MP3 player. I buy these things to listen to music, but with the new gen stuff, it's like they're trying to keep me from doing that.

B-Ri · (10-25-2007, 03:54 AM)

Originally Posted by BigDug13:

Wait, so if I upgrade to a new Ipod, I also won't be able to control it from my car stereo anymore either??

Way to alienate an incredibly HUGE number of 3rd party and probably even some 1st party devices designed to access the ipod.

absolutely you will be able to.

you cant access the file systems, but a huge (i wanna say all but not all) amount of ipod products work for the new ipod touches and iphones.

B-Ri · (10-25-2007, 03:55 AM)

Originally Posted by Ten-Song:

Yeah, but I don't use AT&T and don't want an iPhone, so I got the iPod Touch. I know the iPhone would have some weird lock-out stuff since it's not just an MP3 player, but to act so weird and do the same shit to something that IS just an MP3 player. I buy these things to listen to music, but with the new gen stuff, it's like they're trying to keep me from doing that.

if you were looking for an apple product to be completely compadible with a microsoft product, you made the wrong decision.

lets not pretend like this is the first time products form different companies dont work together.

Ten-Song · (10-25-2007, 03:56 AM)

Originally Posted by B-Ri:

absolutely you will be able to.

you cant access the file systems, but a huge (i wanna say all but not all) amount of ipod products work for the new ipod touches and iphones.

Yeah, dock connections are still the same as ever, so about 99% of products work, and the car audio stuff still does as well, considering those products just act as speakers, where things like the 360 actually need to dig into the device a little and read the files.

Ten-Song · (10-25-2007, 03:57 AM)

Originally Posted by B-Ri:

if you were looking for an apple product to be completely compadible with a microsoft product, you made the wrong decision.

lets not pretend like this is the first time products form different companies dont work together.

My old 30 gig iPod works with my Xbox 360 and any other device just fine.

B-Ri · (10-25-2007, 03:59 AM)

then ask apple to program the phone to not allow access to system files but audio and video files.

or ask microsoft to get a license from apple so it itself can act like a pseudo speaker.

BigDug13 · (10-25-2007, 03:59 AM)

Originally Posted by Ten-Song:

Yeah, dock connections are still the same as ever, so about 99% of products work, and the car audio stuff still does as well, considering those products just act as speakers, where things like the 360 actually need to dig into the device a little and read the files.

But my car stereo actually reads the id tags on the files and shows me the artist, album name, song name, etc. I can scroll through folders and playlists on my stereo. It's not a simple audio jack from the dock connector.

So is this not going to work anymore?

B-Ri · (10-25-2007, 04:00 AM)

Originally Posted by BigDug13:

But my car stereo actually reads the id tags on the files and shows me the artist, album name, song name, etc. I can scroll through folders and playlists on my stereo. It's not a simple audio jack from the dock connector.

So is this not going to work anymore?

it

still

works.

if its make for ipods its going to work

Ten-Song · (10-25-2007, 04:01 AM)

Originally Posted by BigDug13:

But my car stereo actually reads the id tags on the files and shows me the artist, album name, song name, etc. I can scroll through folders and playlists on my stereo. It's not a simple audio jack from the dock connector.

So is this not going to work anymore?

If it connects through the dock, it should still work, but I can't be 100% sure on that so don't take my word for it.

Originally Posted by B-Ri:

then ask apple to program the phone to not allow access to system files but audio and video files.

or ask microsoft to get a license from apple so it itself can act like a pseudo speaker.

I don't care if they leave the iPhone alone because I don't own it and don't plan on it. It just seems silly to let the iPod Touch suffer as a result of having the same touch screen design and a few of the same features, even though it's just an MP3 player mostly.

I still love the device and use it a lot, stuff like this just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

BigDug13 · (10-25-2007, 04:04 AM)

Ok, whew. I'm surprised that the 360 accesses the IPOD in a different way than other dock connector devices.

Why does Microsoft need to dig that deep into the ipod just to play some music off of it?

B-Ri · (10-25-2007, 04:05 AM)

Originally Posted by Ten-Song:

If it connects through the dock, it should still work, but I can't be 100% sure on that so don't take my word for it.

I don't care if they leave the iPhone alone because I don't own it and don't plan on it. It just seems silly to let the iPod Touch suffer as a result of having the same touch screen design and a few of the same features, even though it's just an MP3 player mostly.

I still love the device and use it a lot, stuff like this just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

the ipod touch is the SAME thing as the iphone sans the phone parts. It STILL runs on the same operating system, albeit a less featured one.

Mejilan · (10-25-2007, 04:05 AM)

iPod Classic 160gb WORKS. I'm playing an Ace Combat IV song straight from my iPod as I type this.

Using the old (apparently no longer available) "Optional iPod Support" update, I couldn't even find my media player. But when I went to the Marketplace and downloaded "Optional Media Support", bam, the iPod would show up and now it's working like a charm.

If the iPod Classic works, I can only imagine that the 3G Nano should work too. Are you running the newest iPod firmware?

Ten-Song · (10-25-2007, 04:09 AM)

Originally Posted by Mejilan:

iPod Classic 160gb WORKS. I'm playing an Ace Combat IV song straight from my iPod as I type this.

Using the old (apparently no longer available) "Optional iPod Support" update, I couldn't even find my media player. But when I went to the Marketplace and downloaded "Optional Media Support", bam, the iPod would show up and now it's working like a charm.

If the iPod Classic works, I can only imagine that the 3G Nano should work too. Are you running the newest iPod firmware?

Hum, guess it's just the Touch that doesn't work with the 360 then.

B-Ri · (10-25-2007, 04:10 AM)

oh he said 3g nano? that thing should still be working

the problem is on the 360 side.

Mejilan · (10-25-2007, 04:11 AM)

Not surprised about the lack of Touch/Phone support. It's a completely different beast. But the newest iterations of the Nano and Classic aren't really all that fundamentally different (despite the OS upgrades).

I would think that if it wouldn't work at all, he wouldn't even be able to view his music library by connecting the device. The hang is strange, but it's probably nothing an iPod wipe/optional media support redownload wouldn't fix.

VALIS · (10-25-2007, 04:11 AM)

I have new 160gb Classics and they work fine on my 360.

The awesome people at Media Monkey cracked Apple's shit days after the new units came out. Use Media Monkey to transfer files to your new iPods.

Latest Media Monkey beta, which includes the proper iPod .dll: http://www.mediamonkey.com/beta/Medi...1091_Debug.exe

Thread it came from, if you want to read about it: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15384

Pterion · (10-25-2007, 04:13 AM)

Is it normal I can't ''transfer'' my entire collection from an iPod to the 360 ? Granted, I haven't tried for an hour or so, but seems like I can't simply ''click and drag'' to 360's harddrive''.

Mejilan · (10-25-2007, 04:21 AM)

Apple doesn't want you transferring music from an iPod to ANYWHERE. Copy protection, and all that. Very easy to get around on a PC, but an X360? Not so sure.

B-Ri · (10-25-2007, 04:36 AM)

Originally Posted by Pterion:

Is it normal I can't ''transfer'' my entire collection from an iPod to the 360 ? Granted, I haven't tried for an hour or so, but seems like I can't simply ''click and drag'' to 360's harddrive''.

if im not mistaken, the ONLY way to get music on to a 360 is by burning an audio CD and having it rip, no other way to do it.

and no, its NOT apples fault on that one, calm down. Were not talking about MS

AdmiralViscen · (10-25-2007, 04:59 AM)

Does this mean it won't work on cars either?

edit: nm

The Faceless Master · (10-25-2007, 05:04 AM)

Originally Posted by alistairw:

Yeah, shit - imagine the chaos that would erupt if people could actually properly use the device they've paid hundreds of dollars for.

Anarchy! Blood in the streets!

proper use = itunes

people who bought that brand made their bed, so why can't they lie in it?

Dali · (10-25-2007, 05:06 AM)

Originally Posted by B-Ri:

if you were looking for an apple product to be completely compadible with a microsoft product, you made the wrong decision.

lets not pretend like this is the first time products form different companies dont work together.

Riiiiggght. You forget that Apple themselves are changing their image and business plan to a consumer electronics company (hence the dropping of "Computers" in the company name). As such Apple is held to the same expectations of other consumer electronics companies (like Sony).

HocusPocus · (10-25-2007, 05:08 AM)

Apple is starting to suck.

john tv · (10-25-2007, 08:03 AM)

4G iPods work. Weird that they stopped it for 5G. Ah well.

M3wThr33 · (10-25-2007, 08:16 AM)

The 6G iPods changed how it stored the database library file. It was cracked in about a week.

JCBossman · (10-25-2007, 08:25 AM)

Originally Posted by The Faceless Master:

proper use = itunes

people who bought that brand made their bed, so why can't they lie in it?

Yep that why I HUNT ISOmetrically!

Argyle · (10-25-2007, 05:05 PM)

Originally Posted by B-Ri:

it

might

work.

if its make for ipods it could work

Fixed.

Apple broke a lot of accessories (including my car kit) with the new iPods (I have a classic 160GB)

twinturbo2 · (10-25-2007, 05:07 PM)

Oh God. I was thinking about picking up a 160 GB Classic, but I may have to reconsider...

Lord Error · (10-25-2007, 05:12 PM)

Ipod touch works on cars, well at least it does on mine. The kit in the car reads the ID tags, displays them on a screen etc. However, the kit in the car is an Apple licensed product, and X360 support was reverse engineered and not licensed from Apple.

Leo the 3rd · (10-25-2007, 06:01 PM)

Hmmm, wasn't there a plug in released by Microsoft to support iPod Playback on the X360. Something tells me M$ needs to revise the plug in to support the updated iPods.

solid2snake · (10-25-2007, 06:02 PM)

my iPod classic 80 GB works fine with my elite...

lobdale · (10-25-2007, 06:09 PM)

My 80GB 6th gen iPod Classic works fine with my new Premium 360 straight out of the box, use iTunes to sync it, nothing out of the ordinary.

Warm Machine · (10-25-2007, 06:16 PM)

Get an Iriver Clix2.

K' Dash · 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Pterion:

Is it normal I can't ''transfer'' my entire collection from an iPod to the 360 ? Granted, I haven't tried for an hour or so, but seems like I can't simply ''click and drag'' to 360's harddrive''.

Transfer, no.

You can stream your music from the iPod, however.

Also if you have your computer connected to your 360 you can play ALL the music in your PC, this is the best way for the custom sountracks IMO.

Sir Fragula · (10-25-2007, 07:00 PM)

Originally Posted by siamesedreamer:

This shit has been known for ages. Should've gone with one of these:

They've got some new models and firmware out soon haven't they? My cheap arse Fujianese player died on me a few weeks back and I'm tempted to buy something that cost more than £10... these new Zunes any good?

tinfoilhatman · (10-25-2007, 07:04 PM)

Sorry but iPods are for tools(they don't even play WMA'a or have a radio\TV tuner built in), you can spend 1\2 as much on somthing from samsung(or others) and get 2x as many features.

BigDug13 · (10-25-2007, 07:16 PM)

So I guess it makes me a tool for wanting the MP3 player with the most 3rd party support. It makes me a tool for wanting the MP3 player that can be controlled by certain stereo systems (unlike every other MP3 player on the market).

I guess it also makes me a tool for using Windows when I should be using a less popular OS that has very little support. I guess it also makes a tool for choosing a large company like Verizon for my cell phone when I could have chosen a really small one with very little support.

I don't see where I can get an MP3 player for half price that hooks into my Xbox 360, hooks into my Alpine stereo (with scrolling information from the ipod on my stereo), etc. I guess that makes me a tool.