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Amir0x
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(11-30-2007, 03:01 AM)
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Originally Posted by thetrin

Burn the fuckers. They need to be taught a lesson.

Yeah, I agree. This is really genuinely fucked up. I don't want to make game journalism seem like it's more important than it is, but on a personal level this is sincerely fucked. It just means it's harder and harder to take any game criticism seriously, which is very bad for this still young industry.
M3wThr33
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(11-30-2007, 03:01 AM)

Originally Posted by Grimm Fandango

You guys are really freaking out over this... I'm waiting for more news.

So far we have PA saying it AND a mod on the forums saying TO BLAME Cnet.
I mean, right now, wouldn't a mod naturally say not to jump on the blame train?

Hell, the Penny-Arcade comic went up a DAY EARLY for this. Doesn't anyone see that as a means of getting this message out ASAP?
gray_fox224
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(11-30-2007, 03:01 AM)
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I feel really bad. How could a goddamn publisher, WHO THE FUCK, can just say "fire him" and just let a guy go like that. Jeff has been there for years nad he has proven himself to be a credible enthusiast witter. He deserves much better than this horseshit that CNET has done to him.
AppleMIX
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(11-30-2007, 03:01 AM)
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Holy shit, this is epic.

Anyways, this is absolutely terrible.
rollingstart
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(11-30-2007, 03:01 AM)

Originally Posted by No_Style

I don't understand why they have both Metacritic AND GameRankings.

some people dont have the G key on their computers.
Evlar
Banned
(11-30-2007, 03:01 AM)

Originally Posted by VOOK

Uh and Edios folks? Boycott?

Yeah, but that's easy.
Firestorm
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(11-30-2007, 03:01 AM)
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Originally Posted by Son of Godzilla

It's not like anyone actually links to GameFAQs anyway.

And Metacritic ain't great anyway.

People should link to GameFAQs so people don't ask dumb questions.

Originally Posted by VOOK

Uh and Edios folks? Boycott?

Boycott, but not like anyone's bought a game from them in years.
snoopers
I am multitalented
(11-30-2007, 03:02 AM)
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Originally Posted by hauton

the fact that they jumped on their high fucking horse and tried to bash reviewers for giving AC a bad score puts is pretty much ethical highwire which makes it hilariously hypocritical for PA to be calling CNET out on this.

Defending great games is bad now ?
WrikaWrek
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(11-30-2007, 03:02 AM)
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Originally Posted by Grimm Fandango

You guys are really freaking out over this... I'm waiting for more news.

This is big. This a Gaming company using force against a professional enthusiast and game news reporter, in the open.

It's a chockehold, we can't have this shit
hauton
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(11-30-2007, 03:02 AM)
That and metacritic does more than games
Crushed
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(11-30-2007, 03:02 AM)
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GameFAQs banned from GAF?

Christ, that would cause the biggest rise in average GAF post quality since I got banned.
Crisis
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(11-30-2007, 03:02 AM)
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Okay I think it's safe to say that Gamespot and CNet are not long for this forum. This is fucking ridiculous and I haven't seen ANYONE say it ISN'T true or even deny it. Not that the absence of those two things make it true but in a situation like this somebody needs to start clarifying exactly what happened here. Their whole community will likely revolt at this.

Originally Posted by Сrushed

GameFAQs banned from GAF?

Christ, that would cause the biggest rise in average GAF post quality since I got banned.

:lol :lol :lol :lol
hauton
Member
(11-30-2007, 03:03 AM)

Originally Posted by WrikaWrek

This is big. This a Gaming company using force against a professional enthusiast and game news reporter, in the open.

It's a chockehold, we can't have this shit

That said, this shit is so common it's not even funny. Journalists being taken on expensive trips/given expensive gifts/threatened/etc.
IronicallyTwisted
Banned
(11-30-2007, 03:03 AM)
Mark my words, this is gamings Watergate.

Disgraceful. I really liked Jeff.
Graphics Horse
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(11-30-2007, 03:03 AM)
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Originally Posted by Amir0x

GameFAQs sucks.

It's great if you use it for what it was designed for.
GalacticAE
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(11-30-2007, 03:03 AM)
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Originally Posted by The Sphinx

Yeah, but that's easy.

We'll see about that when some Deus Ex 3 info comes out.
Ferrio
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(11-30-2007, 03:03 AM)
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Not to defend the place, but since it's not confirmed. Don't you think it's possible he had already resigned willingly, so as his last review let it rip instead of the other way around?
Rlan
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(11-30-2007, 03:03 AM)
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Originally Posted by JeffGreen

Jeff has an open invitation to come on GFW Radio any time to talk about this. As Shawn and others have said, this (if true, which we DONT know for sure yet) is just the most blatant and sad manifestation of a trend that has been building and building the last few years.

To those of us close to some of the horseshit maneuvers the big publishers have been pulling, it also hardly comes as a surprise--I mean, the part about a game publisher possibly applying pressure to a media outlet about a score. The nightmare here--again, if it's true--is that the media outlet may have buckled to the pressure. That is a fucking betrayal of epic proportions. So let's hope, for everyone's sakes, that there's more to the story than what we're hearing so far.

It'll be Jeff, Jeff, Shawn and Sean! What wacky shenanigans will they get up to next?
ant1532
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(11-30-2007, 03:03 AM)
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Originally Posted by Amir0x

i'd actually want to keep Metacritic. GameFAQs sucks.

I mean I would agree with banning Gamespot if they were in charge of the firing and taking the deal and all that but it's been said already by an employee that all that is delt with CNET people.
Gamespot employee post on the GS boards

""People, don't direct your anger at Gamespot. This is CNet's meddling. Gamespot consists just of the editorial, news, community, and development teams. It's CNet's marketing that puts the ads up. CNet's marketing that complained. CNet is who can fire their EIC. ""

Other Gamespot employee post

None of the GS staff is allowed to comment right now, so we're just as much in the dark as anyone else right now. However, to extrapolate from the comic/rumors, this wouldn't have come from GS, since Jeff is the EIC right now. It would have come from CNet corporate.

If this is true banning Gamespot would be meaningless.

Originally Posted by Chumly

Gamespot earns CNET money. They must take one for the team.

It wasn't there decision...
schuelma
Wastes hours checking old Famitsu software data, but that's why we love him.
(11-30-2007, 03:03 AM)
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Wait, this is real?

What the fuck
rollingstart
Member
(11-30-2007, 03:04 AM)

Originally Posted by Y2Kev

Two things:

1. Banning? Eh.
2. I really love everyone demanding he go on a ZD podcast to explain this. ZD has built such credibility with hardcore gamers. Extremely impressive whether you agree or not.

well, its not like we can demand he was on GAFcast, that has been MIA for a while now.
Firestorm
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(11-30-2007, 03:04 AM)
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Originally Posted by Сrushed

GameFAQs banned from GAF?

Christ, that would cause the biggest rise in average GAF post quality since I got banned.

Oh hey you're back. What'd you get banned for? I missed it.
Kittonwy
Banned
(11-30-2007, 03:04 AM)

Originally Posted by The Sphinx

I'm not certain the mods really know anything over there... Is he a paid employee or just a volunteer? He may be theorizing as much as the rest of us.

Mods are not employees of gamespot, if your friends on the gamespot forums are mods, they can basically vote you in, usually it's the whole "oh I respect your opinion so much mod ur so wise crowd" that gets considered, hell I was probably playing that game back in 92 when they split from zdnet which didn't last because I was an asshole before and still a bit of an asshole even now, that and sometimes gamespot mods get burned out and lose it eventually and stop posting there, while I've been posting there since 98 and I r as crazy as I wuz since day one.

I think the mods and admins talk in their own little forum, maybe that's how they know. And mods get free subscription as far as I know.
Y2Kev
TLG Fan Caretaker Est. 2009
(11-30-2007, 03:04 AM)
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hi esrushed

how you be
hauton
Member
(11-30-2007, 03:04 AM)

Originally Posted by Rlan

It'll be Jeff, Jeff, Shawn and Sean! What wacky shenanigans will they get up to next?

Guest seat with Shoe Shoe Fan Fan (or was that Fan Fan Shoe Shoe?).
duckroll
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(11-30-2007, 03:04 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ferrio

Don't you think it's possible he had already resigned willingly, so as his last review let it rip instead of the other way around?

No.
gray_fox224
Junior Member
(11-30-2007, 03:05 AM)
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Dear Mr. Simon Cox,

There is a great writer you need to put on your roster.


Regards.
Stealth
Member
(11-30-2007, 03:05 AM)
Despite the shit given to him over it at the time, he was dead-on with his 8.8 for Twilight Princess and definitely doesn't deserve to be fired over a Kane and Lynch score. That's just fucking scummy.
IronicallyTwisted
Banned
(11-30-2007, 03:05 AM)
Oh fuck. Is it just me or has the video review been purged from gamespot?
Chumly
Power Girl's bosom
gives me strength
(11-30-2007, 03:06 AM)
We also have to ban edios and any talk of past or new games that they will be making.
WrikaWrek
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(11-30-2007, 03:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by hauton

That said, this shit is so common it's not even funny. Journalists being taken on expensive trips/given expensive gifts/threatened/etc.

Look stuff that is being done behind the curtain happens everywhere, countries are ruled like that, we can live with that.

But when the president of the country comes into the open street in front of everybody and shots a journo in the head, and walks away like nothing happened, that's when things got fucked up.

There are limits people....
Pachael
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(11-30-2007, 03:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by hauton

The fact is, PA simply aren't in the same position as professional reviewers - reviewers have no say on the advertising and marketing on the sites they write for. Gabe and Tycho control not only the comics and commentary itself, but the advertising and events such as PAX. In that position, you can't pretend to be impartial about Ubisoft and AC when you two cooperated heavily in ad content for the site, as well as the major event at PAX as well. To call out game reviewers on AC when you're in that position is unethical, striding a dangerous line and flat out puts you in a bad light.

If Gerstmann or any game reviewer got his paycheques directly from Eidos, you'd question the impartiality of his views, no?

I'd question impartiality of anything where money for pimping is involved.
Evlar
Banned
(11-30-2007, 03:06 AM)

Originally Posted by IronicallyTwisted

Oh fuck. Is it just me or has the video review been purged from gamespot?

Yeah, I haven't been able to get to it for the past five minutes or so. The link appears to have been manhandled.
Danne-Danger
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(11-30-2007, 03:07 AM)
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Originally Posted by Linkzg

watching the video review, the game looks really bad.

however, the idea for the multiplayer is actually kind of neat, it reminds me of the days I used to...role play inside of The Specialist and me and other guys on the server would choose roles inside Mecklenberg. I was always the Private Detective who was the best, besides the guy who played as Spiderman.

I played it on PC and really enjoyed it, sure it has its flaws (most notably in the aiming and mission design) but it's nothing gamebreaking (that is until you get to one of the last missions and have to battle a helicopter).

It hurts me to see that this game which has so much potential just being "shoved on the air" so to speak, since I love the story and the missions really have that "heist" feel that they're going for.

If it had received some more polish then I'd say that it could easily be an 8-9, but as it is now, if you can't deal with the quirky controls (which I think probably works better on PC, since it's basically the Hitman design and thus designed with a mouse in mind) and whatnot, it will inevitably be placed in the 6-7 region.

He gave it the right score, and this is coming from someone who really loved it. :/

Originally Posted by hauton

Guest seat with Shoe Shoe Fan Fan (or was that Fan Fan Shoe Shoe?).

It's: Dan Dan Fan Fan Shoe Shoe
OnWarmerMusic
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(11-30-2007, 03:07 AM)
If we're really going to ban CNET, I say just drop them all. Gamefaqs, Metacritic, across the board. If this is about making some sort of statement, might as well do it properly.
Brimstone
my reputation is Shadowruined
(11-30-2007, 03:07 AM)
Saw this comming miles away.


His review of Shadowrun was total bs.
Lazy vs Crazy
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(11-30-2007, 03:07 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ferrio

Not to defend the place, but since it's not confirmed. Don't you think it's possible he had already resigned willingly, so as his last review let it rip instead of the other way around?

They probably gave him severance pay in exchange for him promising not to talk about why he was fired.
IronicallyTwisted
Banned
(11-30-2007, 03:07 AM)

Originally Posted by The Sphinx

Yeah, I haven't been able to get to it for the past five minutes or so. The link appears to have been manhandled.

Thats definitive confirmation, then. Fuck, this has gotten me really worked up.
Error
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(11-30-2007, 03:08 AM)
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Originally Posted by Amir0x

i'd actually want to keep Metacritic. GameFAQs sucks.

errr shouldnt it be the other way around? gamefaqs is actually useful, Metacritic tho... eh?
FartOfWar
Banned
(11-30-2007, 03:08 AM)

Originally Posted by Rlan

It'll be Jeff, Jeff, Shawn and Sean! What wacky shenanigans will they get up to next?

I wish Gertsmann the absolute best and--as Jeff Green said--would love to have him on. However, due to paperwork and agreements involved when an employee leaves an employer of 10 years, I can't imagine he'll be able to talk for another two years, though.
Slavik81
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(11-30-2007, 03:08 AM)
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Originally Posted by hauton

I frankly don't care how PA operates their advertising.

At the end of the day, Gabe and Tycho act as marketing and editorial - a fundamental conflict of interest, and ultimately I have to take all their viewpoints with a large grain of salt. But the fact that they jumped on their high fucking horse and tried to bash reviewers for giving AC a bad score puts is pretty much ethical highwire which makes it hilariously hypocritical for PA to be calling CNET out on this.

All game websites and magazines depend on advertisements from game publishers for most of their revenue.

And they didn't claim that it got a bad score because of a lack of moneyhats or anything to do with ads. They claimed it might have got a bad score because the reviewer rushed through the game.
squicken
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(11-30-2007, 03:08 AM)
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Hopefully he sends an email of truth to Surfer Girl. The truth is out there.
Kifimbo
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(11-30-2007, 03:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by Brimstone

Saw this comming miles away.


His review of Shadowrun was total bs.

WTF ?
WrikaWrek
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(11-30-2007, 03:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by Brimstone

Saw this comming miles away.


His review of Shadowrun was total bs.

What the...
Captain Glanton
Banned
(11-30-2007, 03:09 AM)
Gerstmann +3
1Up +1
Gamespot -they can just go get fucked and die
Amir0x
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(11-30-2007, 03:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by Error

errr shouldnt it be the other way around? gamefaqs is actually useful, Metacritic tho... eh?

Gamefaqs is useful for cheaters and also for keeping the horrors of the internet in one nasty place. CHEATERS.

But Metacritic is good because I like shuffling through it to find which movies people are talking about and then watch them. Sometimes it's hard to keep up with what's coming out in the movie industry that is getting any buzz!
Chumly
Power Girl's bosom
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(11-30-2007, 03:09 AM)

Originally Posted by IronicallyTwisted

Oh fuck. Is it just me or has the video review been purged from gamespot?

Its officially taken down. (Well its completely gone from the website)

DOWN WITH GAMESPOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WinFonda
(11-30-2007, 03:09 AM)
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Holy shit @ GameSpot/Cnet. Some crooked motherfuckers running the show over there. And even worse is Eidos. I was going to play Kane and Lynch despite reviews because it interested me.... Not anymore.

Jeff seemed like a pretty cool guy and I can't believe they'd do this... Tragic.
Thunder Monkey
(11-30-2007, 03:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by Сrushed

GameFAQs banned from GAF?

Christ, that would cause the biggest rise in average GAF post quality since I got banned.

*pokes*

*tears well up*

I thought I'd never see you again!
Ike
PissBOX, PeeS2, or Toiletcube
(11-30-2007, 03:09 AM)
You can just fucking fire someone for having an opinion.

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