Whispers On The Wind : The Official European Hardware Sales Thread

[The Innocent X]

I thought I would try the impossible and bring together the small fragments of info we get on european hardware sales, since we get data so infrequently it can be lost in the clutter. If you have new links or info please post them and I`ll add them to the original post. Where there is more than one set of data I`ll add all sources so people can make there own minds up. Here is some to get started :-

UK

Source - Screen Digest
Date - 22/11/2007 ( End of third quarter numbers )

Link - http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007...rss&feed=media

NB: The wording of the article is strange, the 360 and Wii numbers may be reversed, but this seems unlikely now given the other numbers.

Wii - 1.19 M
360 - 1.55 M
PS3 - 450K

Source: Chart Track
Link - http://www.chart-track.co.uk/?i=484&s=1111
Date 02/10/07

Xbox 360 - 1.4M

Spain

source - unknown
link - http://ps3.hardgame2.com/index.php?z...ticia&id=36620
Date - 10/12/2007


ps3 400k
wii 360k
xbox360 219k

Source - GFK
Link - http://www.meristation.com/v3/des_ar...=art&c=1&pos=0
Date - 11/10/07

Spain till end of September:
NDS: 1.764.000
PSP: 1.292.000
Wii: 244.000
PS3: 218.000
360: 149.000


Spain March 07 - Sep. 07:
PS3: 218.000
Wii: 184.000
360: 30.000


Spain Dec. 06 - Sep. 07:
PS2: 480.000
Wii: 244.000


Spain Sep. 07:
PSP: 45.000
NDS: 41.000


France

Source - Nintendo
Link - http://www.gamekult.com/articles/A0000063117/
Date 10/12/2007

Wii - 1,000,000

Source - Microsoft
Date - 07/12/2007

Link - http://www.***********.com/news23083...en-france.html

360 - 500,000

NB: only 360 number is confirmed, other numbers at the link may be bogus.

Source - Sony

Link - http://www.gamekult.com/articles/A0000062510/
Date - 12/11/2007

PS3 - 100K sold since 12th Oct


Germany

Source - GFK germany

Link - http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/99497

Numbers for october 2007:
PS3 37,000
Wii 28,000
Xbox360 12,000

LTD October 2007:
Wii 389,000
Xbox360 328,000
PS3 172,000

Italy

Source - [GFK Italia]
Date - 30th September 2007

Link - http://www.mondoxbox.com/news/10761/...settembre.html

PS2: 4.969.000
X360: 267.000
PS3: 150.000
WII: 129.000

DS: 1.434.500
PSP: 883.000

Portugal

Source - Various

Link - http://dn.sapo.pt/2007/07/06/dnbolsa...o_adultos.html

- Sony has sold 20,000 PS3's in Portugal since launch (2007-03-23). That's 20x PS1 and 4x PS2 for the same period. Lifetime sales for the PS2 are 750,000.
- According to Sony, PS2+PS3 accounts for a 92% quota of the portuguese home console market.
- Sony wants to sell a total of 75,000 PS3's until the end of 2007.
- Nintendo has sold 17,000 Wii's (10,000 in 2006, 7,000 in 2007). For comparison, lifetime sales for the Gamecube are 60,000-70,000.
- DS lifetime sales are 90,000.
- Microsoft won't release national sales numbers.

Austria

Source - German media control via Sony
Link - http://futurezone.orf.at/produkte/stories/242166/
Date - 30/11/07

Xbox 360: 47.000
Wii: 40.000
PS3: 34.000

Special Guest Starring

Australia


source - GFK australia
link - http://au.*************/news/6180457.html
Date - 04/10/2007

Q3
Nintendo DS: 139,483
PlayStation 2: 66,228
Nintendo Wii: 61,027
Xbox 360: 40,467
PlayStation Portable: 28,374
PlayStation 3: 27,533

LTD
Nintendo DS: 730,076
PlayStation 2: 2,118,646
Nintendo Wii: 167,899
Xbox 360: 222,136
PlayStation Portable: 317,442
PlayStation 3: 82,261


General

Sales trends

Source - Nintendo
Date 26/10/2007

Link - http://www.irwebcasting.com/071026/3.../image/p39.gif

[justjohn]

you really are tireless arent you?

[nofi]

Just let it go, we'll find out soon enough.

[BenjaminBirdie]

Heh. That's some good Thread Title.

[Gadfly]

you may want to add the infamous graph from Nintendo presentation.

[The Innocent X]

you may want to add the infamous graph from Nintendo presentation.

I`ll add it if you give me a link.

[BenjaminBirdie]

Also, in order to claim a traditional, Norman-style conquest of Europe, how much does Sony's predominance in Spain and Portugal, for example, close the gap created by the UK numbers? Or is it not that Europe is Sonyland, but rather there exist Sonylands in Europe?

It's those sorts of claims that confuse me.

[justjohn]

maybe there is no such thing as sonyland, and you should let it go?

[BenjaminBirdie]

maybe there is no such thing as sonyland, and you should let it go?

Me? I don't know the last time I've ever type-uttered the words "Am [any]land total". It's a pretty common sales-age phenomenon that I did not make up myself.

[The Innocent X]

maybe there is no such thing as sonyland, and you should let it go?

Let what go? I`m genuinely interested in the numbers.

[BenjaminBirdie]

Let what go? I`m genuinely interested in the numbers.

That was to me.

[Chû Totoro]

I guess it's LTD.
I support this thread since i never have an idea of what were the market shares and sales data in European country.
Portable systems data would be nice though.

[justjohn]

Let what go? I`m genuinely interested in the numbers.

no. your genuinely interested in proving europe isnt sonyland. which it isnt. europe is now nintendoland, like practically everywhere else. happy now?

[Hammer24]

Germany, as of October:

Numbers for october:
PS3 37,000
Wii 28,000
Xbox360 12,000

LTD:
Wii 389,000
Xbox360 328,000
PS3 172,000

*click*

[The Innocent X]

I guess it's LTD. I support this thread since i never have an idea of what were the market shares and sales data in European country. Portable systems data would be nice though.

Feel free to provide ANY data you have that has some sort of credible source. I'm looking back through GAF< but this stuff is hard to come by ( hence the thread )

[felipeko]

Your french numbers of PS3 and Wii are incorrect according to this:

Umm, I just did some researches, and I found the Les Echos article online, in which a Microsoft representative confirms the 500k Xbox360, but absolutely no trace of the Wii or PS3 numbers in this article... So, basically, we still have no idea of what is ***********'s source for these French Wii and PS3 numbers... For all we know, these could be confidential numbers that they got a hold of, or these could have even been taken straight from the banned site ... That's fishy. [edit] Uh, these ARE awfully close from the banned site's . Goddamnit...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...&postcount=220


And Nintendo just released they are at 1 million.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...&postcount=260

[The Innocent X]

Germany, as of October: Numbers for october: PS3 37,000 Wii 28,000 Xbox360 12,000 LTD: Wii 389,000 Xbox360 328,000 PS3 172,000 *click*

Thanks!

Your french numbers of PS3 and Wii are incorrect according to this:

Noted above, and added Nintendo's figure for Wii

[Jokeropia]

I`ll add it if you give me a link.

[The Innocent X]

Updated, and added spanish info.

[RubberJohnny]

Ah, what a wonderful idea for a thread. Fix the blind spot of Sales-Age.

[Sir Fragula]

So why are Spain's unsourced figures presented, but France's unsourced numbers skirted around?

[AdmiralViscen]

Cool.

Can anyone add up these sales and the NA/JP sales and figure out if PS3 actually made any gains on 360 WW this year? I have a feeling the answer is no, but I haven't crunched the numbers.

[The Innocent X]

So why are Spain's unsourced figures presented, but France's unsourced numbers skirted around?

Because someone proved the french ones wrong. I do mention that the source is unknown.

Also, if you have any other french numbers, I`ll add them to the OP

[Cerebral Assassin]

I would be careful about using numbers from the guardian, they have been known to use the Banned site

[The Innocent X]

I would be careful about using numbers from the guardian, they have been known to use the Banned site

It explicitly says they are from screen digest, who are well respected.

[gkrykewy]

Wow, these numbers are all pathetically low. Europe irrelevant to worldwide LTD confirmed.

[MrNyarlathotep]

Wow, these numbers are all pathetically low. Europe irrelevant to worldwide LTD confirmed.

~3.5 million Wiis sold in a year (ie about a third of Worldwide LTD) is irrelevant? To whose agenda?

[Psychotext]

Wow, these numbers are all pathetically low. Europe irrelevant to worldwide LTD confirmed.

They may be low individually... now add them all up, add in a few missing countries and get a European total.

[RubberJohnny]

Totals

3.06million Wiis
2.54million 360s
1.29million PS3s

There's no pan-European trend. Most countries tend to have independent leaders, so if anyone uses a [console]land again, I'll make sure to take out a hit on you.

[watership]

You need to organize that OP so that it's clearer to read. I scanned it and picking out the numbers is just a pain.

[donny2112]

Updated, and added spanish info.

Not blaming you, as you're just repeating the article, but those Spanish numbers are so wrong, they really are funny.

http://www.meristation.com/v3/des_ar...=art&c=1&pos=0

It explicitly says they are from screen digest, who are well respected.

But who also are not Chart-Track. Those cannot be Chart-Track numbers. They have the 360 at 1.55 million through September (i.e. third-quarter), and Chart-Track said at the time of Halo 3's launch (last week or two of September) that the 360 had 1.4 million.

Thanks for trying to compile what data there is, though. The 1 million French Wii thing was new to me. :)

[Sho_Nuff82]

You need to organize that OP so that it's clearer to read. I scanned it and picking out the numbers is just a pain.

This is true.

Better formatting and LTD should be in the original post.

May as well add Aussie numbers as they are included in PAL discussions as well right?

Through June:

http://kotaku.com/gaming/pissing-con...lly-275482.php

Nintendo DS - 74,435 / 589,873
PlayStation 2 - 45,492 / 2,052,193
PlayStation 3 - 27,645 / 54,728
Nintendo Wii - 26,676 / 106,538
Xbox 360 - 21,440 / 181.561
PlayStation Portable - 20,068 / 288,757

plus Q3 numbers:

Nintendo DS: 139,483
PlayStation 2: 66,228
Nintendo Wii: 61,027
Xbox 360: 40,467
PlayStation Portable: 28,374
PlayStation 3: 27,533

http://kotaku.com/gaming/sales-chart...les-307440.php

[Cerebral Assassin]

May as well add Aussie numbers as they are included in PAL discussions as well right?

Whispers On The Wind : The Official European Hardware Sales Thread

No go find some Kiwis to talk to

[The Innocent X]

Not blaming you, as you're just repeating the article, but those Spanish numbers are so wrong, they really are funny. http://www.meristation.com/v3/des_ar...=art&c=1&pos=0 But who also are not Chart-Track. Those cannot be Chart-Track numbers. They have the 360 at 1.55 million through September (i.e. third-quarter), and Chart-Track said at the time of Halo 3's launch (last week or two of September) that the 360 had 1.4 million. Thanks for trying to compile what data there is, though. The 1 million French Wii thing was new to me. :)

Do you have a source for the chart track? I`ll add them as a comparison.

Also, my spanish is too limited to extract the numbers from your article, I see that it's an interview with Sony, are they the source, and what are the numbers?

Oh, and I`ll sort out the formatting when I get a chance.

[Captain Smoker]

Do you have a source for the chart track? I`ll add them as a comparison. Also, my spanish is too limited to extract the numbers from your article, I see that it's an interview with Sony, are they the source, and what are the numbers? Oh, and I`ll sort out the formatting when I get a chance.

Spain till end of Sep. 07:
NDS: 1.764.000 
PSP: 1.292.000
Wii: 244.000
PS3: 218.000
360: 149.000


Spain March 07 - Sep. 07:
PS3: 218.000
Wii: 184.000
360: 30.000


Spain Dec. 06 - Sep. 07:
PS2: 480.000
Wii: 244.000


Spain Sep. 07:
PSP: 45.000
NDS: 41.000

Source is GfK.

[donny2112]

Do you have a source for the chart track? I`ll add them as a comparison.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...4&postcount=40

It was in their little writeup with the weekly numbers for the week of Halo 3's release.

Edit:
Also to throw more uncertainty into the whole "Spanish numbers" thing, SCE Spain sometimes refer to Spain and Portugal together as Spain. I could almost convince myself that the "Spanish" number of 400K PS3s might be correct if it covers the entire Iberian peninsula.

[The Innocent X]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...4&postcount=40 It was in their little writeup with the weekly numbers for the week of Halo 3's release. Edit: Also to throw more uncertainty into the whole "Spanish numbers" thing, SCE Spain sometimes refer to Spain and Portugal together as Spain. I could almost convince myself that the "Spanish" number of 400K PS3s might be correct if it covers the entire Iberian peninsula.

Thanks. I can't imagine the portugese being too happy with that!

[Scotch]

UK = Xboxland
France = Nintendoland
Spain = Playstationland
Germany = PCland

Differences between some European markets are just as big as between say, USA and Japan.

[xbhaskarx]

UK = Xboxland France = Nintendoland Spain = Playstationland Germany = PCland

Over time, will Anglosphere nations like the UK and Australia gravitate more towards the X360, considering English is the lingua franca of online gaming?

[Elhandro]

you Really should get paid for putting together all these numbers. Thanks

.......It was a good read.

[The Innocent X]

you Really should get paid for putting together all these numbers. Thanks .......It was a good read.

Mostly just obtained from searching GAF. Only through collaboration can such a thread come together. I only speak english, some french, a small spattering of german and a few spanish phrases, so I can't translate most of the articles anyway.

If anyone finds more numbers, please post them here!

[Action Jackson]

Austria (till end of November)

Xbox 360: 47.000
Wii: 40.000
PS3: 34.000

Source: According to Sony, based on German Media Control
Link: http://futurezone.orf.at/produkte/stories/242166/

[sionyboy]

The UK numbers are not reversed, that is unless the 360 hasn't sold one console sine June. Chart-Track figures back then put the 360 at 1,193,088, Wii at 618,278 and PS3 at 281,977, so you can all figure out how the consoles have sold over the June-November period.

The Wii hit a million in the UK at the very end of August, so 200,000 in 3 months sounds about right, especially given that in most of those 3 months Wii's were pretty easy to find across the UK. Before the dark times....before the £1,000 ebay auction.

[The Innocent X]

Added austria.

[Hammer24]

Since Australia is PAL, could you include the numbers too, please?

[Arde5643]

The Innocent X's Excellent Thread.

Good job!

[turk128]

I came in expecting Jeff Hardy winning the European Belt >_<

[PepsimanVsJoe]

Interesting stuff.
Thanks for making this thread.

[perfectchaos007]

The official yearly PAL numbers come in soon right?

[The Innocent X]

The official yearly PAL numbers come in soon right?

Is there an official yearly set of PAL numbers? I haven`t seen a set for last year. Who provides them, GFK?