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Drkirby
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(09-30-2009, 04:49 PM)
 
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#4651

On a side note, if they get 4.2 working, wouldn't that invalidate the whole rant Dragona was making about them not being able to update the older IOS? Or is this proof that the rant is correct... Eh, lets wait and see.
Dragona Akehi
You Shall Be Judged
(09-30-2009, 04:51 PM)
 
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#4652

Originally Posted by Drkirby:
On a side note, if they get 4.2 working, wouldn't that invalidate the whole rant Dragona was making about them not being able to update the older IOS? Or is this proof that the rant is correct... Eh, lets wait and see.

If they "fix" 4.2, then they're simply not bricking people's Wiis. :P

By the way, expect an influx. :P
Teknoman
Little Big NeoContra
(09-30-2009, 04:52 PM)
 
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#4653

Once you update, if your Wii hasnt bricked...it should be pretty safe right?
Stumpokapow
listen to the madman
(09-30-2009, 04:52 PM)
 
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#4654

Originally Posted by Anony:
nintendo is a multimillion company, why should they respond to one "hacker"s emails

because they spend plenty of resources doing firmware updates just to block that one hacker's hacks that they could have stopped to begin with if they just answered, duh.

Originally Posted by Teknoman:
Once you update, if your Wii hasnt bricked...it should be pretty safe right?

Yes, they aren't going to magically space-brick it. It's only bricking Wiis that fail to write to boot2 during the update process.
Dragona Akehi
You Shall Be Judged
(09-30-2009, 04:52 PM)
 
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#4655

Originally Posted by Teknoman:
Once you update, if your Wii hasnt bricked...it should be pretty safe right?

Yes. The danger is only during the update process.
Diagol
Member
(09-30-2009, 04:58 PM)
#4656

I'd just like to confirm that 4.2 is bricking Wii's that for sure don't have HBC. I just heard from a friend of mine who updated her Wii this morning to 4.2, and now it won't do anything (though she said it froze during the update downloading part). She said that the power to the Wii goes on (aka the green light turns on), but it just stays at a black screen. Putting in a disc has no effect. Told her to contact Nintendo. I know for a fact she doesn't have the HBC, because she mainly uses it only for Wii Fit and Wii Sports. She is SO PISSED she can't do her morning routine.

Looks like I need to contact some people to make sure they don't brick their Wii's.

Last edited by Diagol : 09-30-2009 at 05:09 PM.
Ranger X
Kohler: 1, Ranger X: 0

PS: Itoi > Kojima by a good green country mile
(09-30-2009, 04:59 PM)
 
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#4657

Was this update there like 2 days ago? I did update my Wii before going to the shopping channel.

.
Ramenman
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(09-30-2009, 04:59 PM)
 
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#4658

Originally Posted by Dragona Akehi:
By the way, expect an influx. :P

Tell me about it, just read the announcement, wtf is that ??

Are there any reports yet or is it just "I saw the code it could brick it" ?

Edit : nvm http://techforums.nintendo.com/nins/...rd.id=wii_tech

This shit is scary.
Fuu
Formerly Alaluef (not Aladuf)
(09-30-2009, 05:02 PM)
 
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#4659

What a clusterfuck. I'm glad I have reading this thread way above updating the Wii in my priority list. Thanks for all the information, everyone.
Drkirby
will treat recurring sores
(09-30-2009, 05:03 PM)
 
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#4660

Originally Posted by Ramenman:
Tell me about it, just read the announcement, wtf is that ??

Are there any reports yet or is it just "I saw the code it could brick it" ?

Edit : nvm http://techforums.nintendo.com/nins/...rd.id=wii_tech

This shit is scary.

Yes, the stuff on that board is scary:
Quote:
Can you dear Nintendo makers, can you please, create 3D glasses and release some 3D games for Wii?

We, Wii lovers already have big LCD tv's capable to do 60Hz.

Hollywood is making milions on 3D movies, why don't you?

PS. my kid wants a 3D whackAmole - can you? I know you can.

Thanks.
Brannon
Ladies! On my signal,
unleash boobs.
(09-30-2009, 05:03 PM)
 
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#4661

Thanks for the warning. To be on the safe side I've also unplugged my Wii to get the red light of complete inactivity since I don't know if the glowing blue light means it's reading mini-updates or the like.

Nintendo, fix this shit exclamation point.
TunaLover
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(09-30-2009, 05:04 PM)
 
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#4662

A good new among the 4.2 disaster.
Wii64 beta1 released http://www.wiibrew.org/wiki/Wii64




-Emulation via Dynamic Recompiler & Pure Interpreter
-Hardware Accelerated Graphics (glN64 ported to GX by sepp256)
-ROM Support up to 512MBit
-Expansion Pak support
-High Level PowerPC RSP
-Interpolated Stereo Sound
-Input via Gamecube & Classic Controller & Wiimote + Nunchuck
-Configurable input combinations
-DVD/USB/SDGecko/Front-SD ROM Loading
-Native Saves
-Save States
-Rumble/Controller Pak Support
-Progressive/Widescreen Resolution

Check compatibilty list on http://emulatemii.com/wii64/compatList/
GaussTek
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(09-30-2009, 05:05 PM)
 
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#4663

Hackmii Installer v0.5 out @:
http://bootmii.org/

More info at Hackmii:
http://hackmii.com/



Edit: whoa at the N64 emulator!
DownLikeBCPowder
(09-30-2009, 05:06 PM)
 
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#4664

Well, this is interesting.

I've been lamenting to my self recently about how poor I perceive the Wii OS to be. Having the content segregating into channels isn't the worst part, it's rather how those channels act. Having to launch what is essentially a completely different program with no central overlay (sans "home" menu). Even still, when you finally get to the content in, for example the shop channel, it's hard to view that subcontent. The paging system setup to view VCs is just agitating, no demos, maybe 2 screenshots that you can't even enlarge....

Interesting developments, I'm really thankful for the announcement so that I don't accidentally update my Wii (though I don't even use the hbc or anyhting).
Ramenman
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(09-30-2009, 05:07 PM)
 
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#4665

I smell SHITSTORM.


Originally Posted by Drkirby:
Yes, the stuff on that board is scary:

Oh god, the casuals, THEY WILL EAT US ALIVE AND DESTROY OUR HOBBY
EatChildren
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(09-30-2009, 05:17 PM)
 
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#4666

Originally Posted by TunaLover:
A good new among the 4.2 disaster.
Wii64 beta1 released http://www.wiibrew.org/wiki/Wii64


Fuck yes!
Blizzard
Member
(09-30-2009, 05:21 PM)
 
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#4667

Haha, I caught one of my friends with the warning as he was in the middle of updating. :P Fortunately it finished successfully and it's still loading games. I actually updated my system to play the Beatles Rock Band on Saturday, but I don't know if the update was out by then.
HUELEN10
Banned
(09-30-2009, 05:23 PM)
 
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#4668

Originally Posted by Dragona Akehi:
Oh wow, System Menu 4.2 seems to be bricking non-HBCed Wiis. Looks like marcan's criticism of incredibly dodgy boot2 code was right.

Wow, what were the chucklefucks at Nintendo thinking?
TunaLover
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(09-30-2009, 05:29 PM)
 
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#4669

Originally Posted by GaussTek:
Hackmii Installer v0.5 out @:
http://bootmii.org/

More info at Hackmii:
http://hackmii.com/



Edit: whoa at the N64 emulator!

LOL They just change the tittle ID for HBC, bang!
Nintendo will need a new update for each channel ID change in order to wipeout every release, it's getting funny
HUELEN10
Banned
(09-30-2009, 05:34 PM)
 
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#4670

Seriously though, how long until 4.3?
EvilMario
From Office Bitch to
Project Manager
in under sixty seconds.
Did I ever tell you Lord Vader was my supervisor?
(09-30-2009, 05:35 PM)
 
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#4671

I feel pretty horrible for all those people that have never even touched home brew, having their Wiis bricked. Nintendo really screwed up this time. Most of the replies on their Tech Support Forum are just suggesting calling in, and then paying $75 for out of warranty units to be sent in.

And that Nintendo 64 emulator looks like the hotness. I want to play Ogre Battle 64 , but I'm too lazy to plug in my Nintendo 64. Shame Ogre Battle is not compatible yet. :S
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
(09-30-2009, 05:51 PM)
 
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#4672

Originally Posted by EatChildren:
Fuck yes!

BLAST CORPS still not playable :(
EatChildren
Member
(09-30-2009, 05:52 PM)
 
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#4673

Originally Posted by beelzebozo:
BLAST CORPS still not playable :(

Download cancelled :(.
Bluemercury
Member
(09-30-2009, 05:56 PM)
#4674

So is there a way to know if updating will brick the console. I do have hbc....
-PXG-
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(09-30-2009, 05:59 PM)
 
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#4675

Originally Posted by TunaLover:
A good new among the 4.2 disaster.
Wii64 beta1 released http://www.wiibrew.org/wiki/Wii64




-Emulation via Dynamic Recompiler & Pure Interpreter
-Hardware Accelerated Graphics (glN64 ported to GX by sepp256)
-ROM Support up to 512MBit
-Expansion Pak support
-High Level PowerPC RSP
-Interpolated Stereo Sound
-Input via Gamecube & Classic Controller & Wiimote + Nunchuck
-Configurable input combinations
-DVD/USB/SDGecko/Front-SD ROM Loading
-Native Saves
-Save States
-Rumble/Controller Pak Support
-Progressive/Widescreen Resolution

Check compatibilty list on http://emulatemii.com/wii64/compatList/


YES!!!!1

YES!!!!!

THIS IS DELICIOUS!!!!
TunaLover
Member
(09-30-2009, 06:00 PM)
 
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#4676

Originally Posted by EatChildren:
Download cancelled :(.

WTF, you still have Mega fucking Man64 and Mischief fucking Makers =P
Anony
Member
(09-30-2009, 06:03 PM)
 
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The Homebrew Channel v1.0.5: #4677

looks like a update to HBC as well

Quote:
# Widescreen support.
If your Wii is set to 16:9 in the system menu options, HBC won’t strech the picture like it did on older versions. Unfortunately the fonts might look a little weird then, it really depends on the used display unit. Blame the lack of true widescreen support on the Wii for that.
# Grid view.
Hit 2/Y while browsing applications to switch between the old and the new view. This shows 4 columns on 16:9 setups, 4:3 users only get 3.

about fucken time
jrricky
(09-30-2009, 06:04 PM)
 
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#4678

Am I reading the title correctly? If I have HBC installed I can update, but if I dont it will brick my Wii (doesnt make any sense)?
Wario64
Banned (lol)
(09-30-2009, 06:06 PM)
 
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#4679

If you have HBC and update...well...I don't know what to tell you, especially with that warning in the thread title.

(if you update, it'll kill HBC, Bootmii, and other things)
EatChildren
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(09-30-2009, 06:07 PM)
 
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#4680

Originally Posted by jrricky:
Am I reading the title correctly? If I have HBC installed I can update, but if I dont it will brick my Wii (doesnt make any sense)?

No, the risk is updating in general. The update measure for 4.2 is apparently shonky, and could potentially brick your Wii. The update is entirely targetted towards Homebrewers, but it doesn't matter either way; people without homebrew still run risk of bricking.

In otherwords, dont update at all for the time being.
TunaLover
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(09-30-2009, 06:07 PM)
 
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#4681

Originally Posted by Bluemercury:
So is there a way to know if updating will brick the console. I do have hbc....

DO NOT UPDATE, there no games that use 4.2 just yet. If you want use Wii Shop Channel use WiiSCU to update the channel, if you are on 4.1 you already have all IOS to run Shop Channel without problems.
JoshuaJSlone
I AM A STALKER - DON'T TELL ME PERSONAL SHIT ABOUT YOU
(09-30-2009, 06:08 PM)
 
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#4682

Originally Posted by TunaLover:
LOL They just change the tittle ID for HBC, bang!
Nintendo will need a new update for each channel ID change in order to wipeout every release, it's getting funny
I don't know much about Wii's workings behind the scenes--would it be possible for it to use a semi-random ID upon installation?
civilstrife
Oyster Oyster Oyster!
OI OI OI!
(09-30-2009, 06:09 PM)
 
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#4683

Wait a sec. So Nintendo is accidentally bricking non homebrew users and ironically, people who have installed homebrew are fine?

lolz if true.

edit:

Quote:
No, the risk is updating in general. The update measure for 4.2 is apparently shonky, and could potentially brick your Wii. The update is entirely targetted towards Homebrewers, but it doesn't matter either way; people without homebrew still run risk of bricking.

In otherwords, dont update at all for the time being.

Ah.
Still, Lolz.

Last edited by civilstrife : 09-30-2009 at 06:14 PM.
jrricky
(09-30-2009, 06:13 PM)
 
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#4684

Well, I just checked and the Nintendo channel is fine for me without doing an update ..man the new Nintendo Channel is all kinds of awesome, I love the layout. Which begs the question, why isnt the shop channel as stylish as this?

EDIT:shop channel doesnt work. :/
EvilMario
From Office Bitch to
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(09-30-2009, 06:14 PM)
 
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#4685

Originally Posted by civilstrife:
Wait a sec. So Nintendo is accidentally bricking non homebrew users and ironically, people who have installed homebrew are fine?

lolz if true.

Read more before posting. The risk to to ALL Wii owners, Homebrew will not save you, nor will it put you at more risk. It's every single Wii.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/announcement.php?f=2&a=38
TunaLover
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(09-30-2009, 06:15 PM)
 
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#4686

Originally Posted by JoshuaJSlone:
I don't know much about Wii's workings behind the scenes--would it be possible for it to use a semi-random ID upon installation?

In theory I think it's posible, but the risk is too high, imagine if the random ID created is the same ID as an original VC/WiiWare game, it could overwrite the game channel overwriting the download ticket. That in a low level risk, other things like signed ToS are stored as channel too.

Last edited by TunaLover : 09-30-2009 at 06:26 PM.
zigg
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(09-30-2009, 06:15 PM)
 
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#4687

Originally Posted by jrricky:
Well, I just checked and the Nintendo channel is fine for me without doing an update ...

It's the Shop Channel that is blocked unless you update. I don't think any of the others were, in any event.
Miau
Junior Member
(09-30-2009, 06:16 PM)
 
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#4688

Quote:
So let’s play this silly game: let’s switch title IDs!

Their firmware team is such a clusterfuck
Dragona Akehi
You Shall Be Judged
(09-30-2009, 06:18 PM)
 
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#4689

Originally Posted by Miau:
Their firmware team is such a clusterfuck

They really should just hire marcan and bushing. :P
jrricky
(09-30-2009, 06:19 PM)
 
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#4690

Originally Posted by Anony:
looks like a update to HBC as well
Still no background music? :/
Kilgore Trout
Junior Member
(09-30-2009, 06:19 PM)
 
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#4691

Originally Posted by civilstrife:
Wait a sec. So Nintendo is accidentally bricking non homebrew users and ironically, people who have installed homebrew are fine?

lolz if true.

edit:



Ah.
Still, Lolz.

I would think that homebrew wiis can be bricked as well.
AzureJericho
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(09-30-2009, 06:19 PM)
 
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#4692

Soooo, in the span of 2 days, Nintendo has really made me re-evaluate how much consumer trust I'm willing to put in their products from now on... Amazing.

Yes, I know updating to 4.2 was optional, but fuck I never expected the possibility of bricking the thing from an official update. *Is scared to turn it on now*
TunaLover
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(09-30-2009, 06:25 PM)
 
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#4693

Originally Posted by zigg:
It's the Shop Channel that is blocked unless you update. I don't think any of the others were, in any event.

You can still use the Wii Shop Channel on 4.1, as the channel uses the same old IOS61.

Just download it with WiiSCU -there another more friendly method in wiibrew right now- and update the WiiShop Channel. What the system blocks is dowload the latest Wii Shop Channel if 4.2 is not present, but the channel is still functional under 4.1.
wsippel
Member
(09-30-2009, 06:26 PM)
#4694

Originally Posted by Miau:
Their firmware team is such a clusterfuck
The funny thing is that Nintendo actually developed their own operating system a while ago, and while it's not exactly groundbreaking, it's actually a real and working microkernel-based OS. It was released under the Apache License 2.0 a while ago, so in case anyone is interested: http://code.google.com/p/es-operating-system/
thefro
Member
(09-30-2009, 06:28 PM)
#4695

Sounds like from reading the official Nintendo forum linked in the announcement that it's just a few people whose Wiis have been bricked from this. Some of them admit they powered off the console in the middle of the update.

It's not some massively widespread problem... the update has been out for a couple days.

IMHO, the "WARNING!" on this is way overblown and is more the homebrew community to try and sway opinion towards their side.

Last edited by thefro : 09-30-2009 at 06:32 PM.
Dra-Q
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(09-30-2009, 06:28 PM)
 
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#4696

Well, I never had any homebrew on my Wii and updated today to 4.2E. No problems here, everything fine so far.
EmCeeGramr
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(09-30-2009, 06:29 PM)
 
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#4697

Jesus Christ. I don't have any homebrew, so lucky I stopped to actually read the announcement and this thread title. What on earth are Nintendo doing over there? Usually I'd look for a silver lining and think, "Hey, maybe now they'll realize that they need to get their shit together," but then I remember it's Nintendo.
TunaLover
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(09-30-2009, 06:32 PM)
 
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#4698

Originally Posted by Dragona Akehi:
They really should just hire marcan and bushing. :P

Nintendo rushed code for boot2 is to blame, working at so depth machine level should have required alot more test, I remember the bootmii team was developing the thing over 1 a half year +/- =/

The writing process on bootmii is too sensible to make an update for it, over WiFi -.-u
CTLance
(09-30-2009, 06:33 PM)
 
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#4699

Oh Nintendo...

What on earth are these guys doing? Hitting their keyboards with their heads until the next update somehow compiles? How did they not notice the faulty boot2 installer?

I'm so happy that I didn't update by accident.
Miau
Junior Member
(09-30-2009, 06:33 PM)
 
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#4700

Originally Posted by Dragona Akehi:
They really should just hire marcan and bushing. :P

What's funny is that they could be working for them right now, specially after the open letter. But that would make to much sense. Nintendo prefers the "I won't address it, therefore it will go away on its own".

I'm happy to see that that strategy is working for them.

Originally Posted by wsippel:
The funny thing is that Nintendo actually developed their own operating system a while ago, and while it's not exactly groundbreaking, it's actually a real and working microkernel-based OS. It was released under the Apache License 2.0 a while ago, so in case anyone is interested: http://code.google.com/p/es-operating-system/

I've been wondering what happened to this. I remember hearing about this and I actually attended one presentation about this subject some time ago here in Portugal.

Last edited by Miau : 09-30-2009 at 06:39 PM.
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