[Himuro]

This is without a doubt the greatest town song in any rpg ever (and it's tales too so its on topic eh!!!!!!!!!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2s1YFywmes

Haha.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-kKtS44LB8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO1V9OSW3ys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNMqdC7B06w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu5pSfBLrMs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMRLUAjbnn8

No, you're misreading what I wrote. I said Vesperia still has the problem of Symphonia/Abyss where you other quests interrupt your current quest and you have to do them first and then get back to what you were doing. It's not as bad as it was in Abyss, but it's still there.

Oh God.

:(

[FateBreaker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu5pSfBLrMs

not to derail the thread any more than it is, but damn, you're right...that's probably my favorite.

[ZealousD]

Godammit Bebpo, you're making me hate this wait. =(

[Firestorm]

More like Werites Beacon (Legendia) had the best town music. I just wish I could find it.

Also, holy crap (Smash and Tales fans lookie)
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm4265500

[ZealousD]

More like Werites Beacon (Legendia) had the best town music. I just wish I could find it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuyCy3HIr4g

[Firestorm]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuyCy3HIr4g

I think I clicked that as I was trying to find it but heard that man's voice and turned it off right away thinking it was the wrong song.

[Shakka]

Does anybody know if the US version of this will be region free?

[-WindYoshi-]

Haha. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-kKtS44LB8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO1V9OSW3ys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNMqdC7B06w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu5pSfBLrMs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMRLUAjbnn8 Oh God. :(

You got it!
Fisherman's Horizon is the best town theme ever... but don't forget the runner up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCuiEz1VP8M

[TheCardPlayer]

The best town music in any RPG. Feel free to disagree, but this is the town music for me. The only thing I will accept!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ChrB...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ChrB...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg7CG...eature=related

[Shouta]

Man, if I don't buy a lot this weekend I may come back to my apt in Fukushima with a 360 and Vesperia. >=O

[kobashi100]

Does anybody know if the US version of this will be region free?

Play-Asia have the Asian version (Japanese Language) listed as NTSC J only so I guess that means the US and Asian version (English Language) will be locked also.

Not good for the people with Pal 360's.

Namco-Bandai are strange. Ace Combat was locked also but Soul Calibur wasnt.

[Jonnyram]

Goddammit the achievements in this game are fuck retarded. To get the Monster Collection one you have to use magic lens on every single enemy!? What the fuck, Namco! No doubt this includes the tutorial fights against Dekoboko too :(

[kiryogi]

Goddammit the achievements in this game are fuck retarded. To get the Monster Collection one you have to use magic lens on every single enemy!? What the fuck, Namco! No doubt this includes the tutorial fights against Dekoboko too :(

They're a real challenge. And in the past tales games, you actually got titles for completing your zukans. Actually what's been fun is pursuing these secret missions. 5 points for an absolute pain in the ass :lol <3 Although, you do face these jokers again, but probably diff stats and whatnot. :shrugs: I was never hardcore enough to collect every monster, item and whatnot.

[Jonnyram]

Still, I figure if I play it properly from the point I'm at now, I should be able to get everything unlocked in two plays through, the second play through being the quick one, to get <15 hrs, since you can carry the collections over with grade points.

[kiryogi]

Still, I figure if I play it properly from the point I'm at now, I should be able to get everything unlocked in two plays through, the second play through being the quick one, to get <15 hrs, since you can carry the collections over with grade points.

Side note, whats your gamertag?

[Jonnyram]

Side note, whats your gamertag?

Jonnyram :)

[kiryogi]

Oh, something I've been wanting to mention but wasn't sure. But with a few actual field tests it looks like it. Battle isn't always @ 60FPS. massive spells or tons of enemies on screen will induce some pretty ugly slowdown :lol

[Mr. Wonderful]

It's just mindless filler. I can't remember what happen in Symphonia or other Tales games but I recall it being just as annoying.

Collette was kidnapped. Repeatedly.

[Jonnyram]

I cannot get the secret mission in the Gigarva fight AT ALL! I know what you're supposed to do (Use Raven's Mogura nari move when the scorpion is getting health from the pool) but is there some trick to the timing?

[Jonnyram]

Oops, did it finally -- you have to lay the trap in the water, doh!

[Magicpaint]

How are the dungeons in this game? That's something I've not seen details on? Is it like Symphonia where there are all kinds of absurd puzzle solving (still fun for the most part, but can get really annoying too), or is it more balanced like Abyss where half of the dungeons are fairly straightforward while the other half contains some decent puzzle solving, but nothing overt like Symphonia? Hoping it's more like Abyss'.

Shame I can't be playing this with you guys... this is the last time I'll be buying a PAL system that's not region free :/

Oh, something I've been wanting to mention but wasn't sure. But with a few actual field tests it looks like it. Battle isn't always @ 60FPS. massive spells or tons of enemies on screen will induce some pretty ugly slowdown :lol

>.<

What's the max number of enemies on screen this time? Any higher than the other TS games? If not then that's disappointing.

[Jonnyram]

I haven't seen any puzzles in the dungeons so far, thankfully. The stuff in Legendia made me stop playing the game!

[Magicpaint]

I haven't seen any puzzles in the dungeons so far, thankfully. The stuff in Legendia made me stop playing the game!

:(
Legendia's puzzle booth sucked, but Abyss and Symphonia had some nice puzzles.

I hope they put some puzzles in the later dungeons. The Abandoned Factory for example in TotA had some really nice puzzles.

[Himuro]

I haven't seen any puzzles in the dungeons so far, thankfully. The stuff in Legendia made me stop playing the game!

Oh fuck.

That is so lame.

I hate dungeons that are just dungeons with nothing to do in them but go from point A to B. Is there a goal at all for dungeons?

Collette was kidnapped. Repeatedly.

Thanks for reminding me. So does Ion. I kind of blocked Colette out of my mind. What a horrible character.

[Case]

So I'm like 23 hours in and I take back what I said about the game not being dark. Yuri's plotline is pretty dark for anything Japanese. Definitely moreso than any other Tales story so far. I think as long as they don't mess up the 2nd half of the game, there's a very good chance Vesperia could have the best Tales story yet. The writers are doing a good job though there is a little Tales filler here and there in terms of "let's go to B, but on the way we run into situation C and have to deal with that, and then situation D, and then we finally get to go to B" that seems to plague Symphonia/Abyss. Oh and the battle system is flat out awesome. Man, once you get the skill modifiers and the arial attacks (which make it like Destiny-R) and combine them with everything else, the battles are really nuts. It's interesting how they spread out the systems across your characters at first so it makes it interesting playing the other characters. Like for instance Judith is the first to get Arial skill which allows tokugi & ougi air-version. Plus she gets double jump and 4 hit air strings and other air skills along with that. So when you switch to her you're doing all this crazy stuff in the air and then when you switch to Karol you're doing weird charge up moves and wind modified versions of attacks and then with Yuri you're doing other stuff. As you go along the skills begin to mix over so by endgame I'm sure everyone can be doing air combos, elemental tokugis, charge attacks, etc... Great game. If I had to nitpick anything it'd be that the music is totally unremarkable (which is normal for Tales). Abyss was a little better than an average Tales score, but Vesperia really isn't.

damn, i cant wait to play

[Bebpo]

How are the dungeons in this game? That's something I've not seen details on? Is it like Symphonia where there are all kinds of absurd puzzle solving (still fun for the most part, but can get really annoying too), or is it more balanced like Abyss where half of the dungeons are fairly straightforward while the other half contains some decent puzzle solving, but nothing overt like Symphonia? Hoping it's more like Abyss'. Shame I can't be playing this with you guys... this is the last time I'll be buying a PAL system that's not region free :/ >.< What's the max number of enemies on screen this time? Any higher than the other TS games? If not then that's disappointing.

Dungeons are more like Abyss. There are puzzles but they are pretty light for the most part.

Max number of enemies is WAY more than the other TS games. Like 8 or 9 enemies at once. Also I haven't noticed any slowdown so it's pretty rare I'd say.

[Himuro]

Dungeons are more like Abyss. There are puzzles but they are pretty light for the most part.

Noooooooooooo

[Magicpaint]

Dungeons are more like Abyss. There are puzzles but they are pretty light for the most part. Max number of enemies is WAY more than the other TS games. Like 8 or 9 enemies at once. Also I haven't noticed any slowdown so it's pretty rare I'd say.

Fantastic! This game is sounding like everything I want from an Abyss follow up- with that enemy count, it looks like battles can get as chaotic as Rebirth's! Can't wait....2009 :(

[Mejilan]

Impressions sound great, but I'm disappointed that they don't have the nice dungeon puzzles from Symphonia. Really gave that game's exploration much more character.

[Kyoufu]

After playing through ToDremake's dungeons I never want to touch another puzzle in a Tales game again!

Really sad its 2009 release though (my wallet is happy atleast). Play.com had it up for the end of this month...

[Syril]

After playing through ToDremake's dungeons I never want to touch another puzzle in a Tales game again!

Hey, at least they weren't Symphonia-level puzzles.

[rykomatsu]

so for anyone that cares, ToV made 4th on famitsu sales charts..

1. Fire Emblem DS
2. Rhythm Heaven Gold
3. Phantasy Star Portable
4. ToV
5. DQ5

[Himuro]

Hey, at least they weren't Symphonia-level puzzles.

I loved Symphonia's dungeon puzzles :(

[clashfan]

Great preview on 1up.

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3169324

[Shakka]

Play-Asia have the Asian version (Japanese Language) listed as NTSC J only so I guess that means the US and Asian version (English Language) will be locked also. Not good for the people with Pal 360's. Namco-Bandai are strange. Ace Combat was locked also but Soul Calibur wasnt.

Yes, I know, but on the other hand I have found this on Acme, don't know if it is trustworthy though.
Well, I guess nobody knows for sure yet and we'll just have to wait and see.

[FateBreaker]

Impressions sound great, but I'm disappointed that they don't have the nice dungeon puzzles from Symphonia. Really gave that game's exploration much more character.

Maybe they will get more in depth as the game goes on? I kind of remember that in previous Tales games, especiallly Symphonia. Man, I remember that Shadow Temple one in Symphonia...weeeeee.

[Himuro]

Suikoden is a second tier ps2 franchise?? I thought Wild Arms is more C-list than anything else.

[Magicpaint]

Man, I remember that Shadow Temple one in Symphonia...weeeeee.

Ugh, that one was terrible...

[Error]

puzzles in dungeons shit sometimes pisses me off more than anything. getting stuck in a puzzle=can't progress in the game=frustration=no fun.

[Kyoufu]

puzzles in dungeons shit sometimes pisses me off more than anything. getting stuck in a puzzle=can't progress in the game=frustration=no fun.

Man, you don't want to play ToD then. Not only were most of the puzzles ridiculously taxing/long but one of them was also bugged, forcing you to reset and start the dungeon again :S

[Blimblim]

puzzles in dungeons shit sometimes pisses me off more than anything. getting stuck in a puzzle=can't progress in the game=frustration=no fun.

Well at least with a Puzzle you can always take a look at a guide. If you are stuck at a boss (not in a RPG mind you, but in something like Ninja Gaiden) then you have *no* way if going any further unless there are cheat codes.

[Error]

I'm not saying there shouldn't be any puzzles, but some sort of balance and not just puzzle after puzzle after puzzle, like in Wild Arms.

a straightforward dungeon, followed by a dungeon with a thematic puzzle and then another light on puzzle solving. is fine by me.

Also I don't think puzzles make a dungeon, in fact that's pretty low in my list.

[Firestorm]

Well at least with a Puzzle you can always take a look at a guide. If you are stuck at a boss (not in a RPG mind you, but in something like Ninja Gaiden) then you have *no* way if going any further unless there are cheat codes.

I dunno, in Tales games I've found even if you're severely underlevelled you can still make up for that to an extent. I was usually 10 - 15 levels lower than guides told me to be and did fine. Used up a lot of gels and stuff, but did fine.

I'm not a big fan of puzzles in dungeons either for RPGs either. Although I don't mind them much without random battles. Puzzles + Random Battles are the worst invention in gaming.

[Himuro]

Isn't being stuck in a puzzle a good thing?

[Error]

Huh? Why would that be a good thing?

[Himuro]

Huh? Why would that be a good thing?

It tells me the game wants to challenge me. I accept it. There is nothing between me and the game, just solving the puzzle. It is awesome.

I can't stand straight forward dungeons. They are so boring.

Make a dungeon full of traps, obstacles, puzzles. Things that'll actually make it feel like a dungeon.

Barheim Passage and its puzzle and theme are the very reason it's the best dungeon in FFXII, while all the other dungeons suck because they're boring and go to Point A to Point B bullcrap.

[Firestorm]

Well, I just play dungeons to find treasure chests and avoid enemies on my way to a boss so I can kick his ass.
Do any Tales games have a boss rush mode?
There should be a boss rush mode.

[Case]

but I'm disappointed that they don't have the nice dungeon puzzles from Symphonia.

Me too. I much prefer puzzle dungeons with depth rather than a simple straightforward or maze dungeon. Maze dungeons usually are pretty boring to me, while puzzle dungeons can at least give an rpg a Zelda like feel from time to time.

[FateBreaker]

It tells me the game wants to challenge me. I accept it. There is nothing between me and the game, just solving the puzzle. It is awesome. I can't stand straight forward dungeons. They are so boring. Make a dungeon full of traps, obstacles, puzzles. Things that'll actually make it feel like a dungeon. Barheim Passage and its puzzle and theme are the very reason it's the best dungeon in FFXII, while all the other dungeons suck because they're boring and go to Point A to Point B bullcrap.

I'm going to have to agree with you on this one, Himuro. This is one of the reason why I enjoyed LO dungeons quite a bit.

[Himuro]

Symphonia's shadow temple is amazing.