Devil Summoner: Kuzunoha Raidou tai Abaddon Ou Thread of YEAH FREE MANIAX

RevenantKioku · (10-23-2008, 04:07 PM)

Anyone get this sexy beast today?

I haven't had time to pop it in but man, am I excited to have a Japanese copy of Maniax that didn't cost me $200.

baphometbones · (10-23-2008, 04:24 PM)

Originally Posted by RevenantKioku:

Anyone get this sexy beast today?

I haven't had time to pop it in but man, am I excited to have a Japanese copy of Maniax that didn't cost me $200.

With Atlus USA announcing new games like every other day, I really hope this set ends up being one of them. I still don't have a version of Nocturne, and the new Devil Summoner definitely looks like an improvement. Looking forward to impressions.

Reilly · (10-23-2008, 05:57 PM)

I want the soundtrack!

BudokaiMR2 · (10-23-2008, 06:53 PM)

Well damn I forgot about this tricky bastard. :( I didn't like the first raidou at all. haha

I wonder if there are still copies in denden....

Volcynika · (10-23-2008, 06:55 PM)

Originally Posted by Reilly:

I want the soundtrack!

Yeah, I love the style of the music for Raidou!

zoku88 · (10-23-2008, 07:04 PM)

The cover kinda looks odd. Can't imagine the SMT3 hero not having a neutral face

Volcynika · (10-23-2008, 07:10 PM)

Originally Posted by zoku88:

The cover kinda looks odd. Can't imagine the SMT3 hero not having a neutral face

That's a photoshop waiting to happen.

jaundicejuice · (10-23-2008, 07:15 PM)

Nich, please, please, please get Atlus US to release this here. I own Nocturne and would gladly buy it again in a bundle with the new Devil Summoner, even at a premium.

Bebpo · (10-23-2008, 08:57 PM)

Ya, I'm in too:

Gonna try to finish up Dead Space today and maybe Castlevania as well so I can have my plate cleared and give full attention to this. Atlus R&D1 games ftw.

bryehn · (10-23-2008, 09:02 PM)

Now Atlus is putting free (excellent) games in their games? Wow.

Bebpo · (10-23-2008, 09:06 PM)

Originally Posted by bryehn:

Now Atlus is putting free (excellent) games in their games? Wow.

Not quite.

Raidou 2 costs like $65

Raidou 2+ costs like $100 and comes with a new version of Nocturne that adds Raidou and his summons into the plot of Nocturne (probably replacing Dante because they don't have the license to use Dante anymore). $35 isn't really "free", but then again it's not just SMT3 but rather a new version of SMT3.

Personally I just got the dual package because going by Maniacs this might be worth a good penny in collector's value down the line. I don't really have the time to replay all of SMT3 for what's probably 30 mins worth of additions.

Yaweee · 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by zoku88:

The cover kinda looks odd. Can't imagine the SMT3 hero not having a neutral face

I completely agree. The Plus edition cover just looks absolutely ridiculous. It comes off as completely uncharacteristic of Kaneko's work

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The disc art for both games looks phenomenal. Stylin'.

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People are posting impressions on various sites. Though no mention of other (if any) changes to Nocturne are noted, Raidou really is just a model and animation swap of Dante-- his moves, though named something different, are functionally the same. Lazy, lazy, lazy, Atlus, lazy, lazy.

As for notes on Raidou 2, L2 acts as a recall button that instantly calls back your two demons to Raidou's side. Holding it down makes them transparent and invulnerable-- this is clearly to make controlling your demons and protecting them easier, as the original required you to unsummon the demon to pull them away from the enemies, then pay to summon them out again.

X is the evade button. While holding it, you roll to the sides or do backflips to get away from the enemy. L1 blocks, and you can do certain moves only while blocking.

Demon AI has been expanded. You can assign tactics, assign specific targets, set them to repeatedly cast a single spell,

Enemies are generally faster and stronger, to compensate for the improved mechanics.

IMPORTANT: It allows you to import data from Raidou 1. You begin with a few bonus items or something if you do so, so don

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Though P4 was announced for the US before the JP release, I'm expecting a longer delay for this. They'll probably use the same translators/editors as Raidou 1 for the sake of continuity, but I think they're busy working on P4.

Bebpo · (10-23-2008, 09:08 PM)

Originally Posted by Yaweee:

I completely agree. The Plus edition cover just looks completely ridiculous. It comes off as completely uncharacteristic of Kaneko's work

Yeah, I think it sucks. I'm bummed I didn't get the cool normal edition artwork :\

Himuro · (10-23-2008, 09:29 PM)

Need.

Augemitbutter · (10-23-2008, 09:33 PM)

guess im the only fan of that cover.

please release the set in english, id pay ~120$.

Barakov · (10-23-2008, 09:50 PM)

Mine just shipped from NCSX. Probably won't get it until early next week.

Bebpo · (10-23-2008, 09:59 PM)

Yeah the L2 button is really smart although maybe overpowered. If I had a button like this in Tales of Star Ocean it'd make the boss battles soooo much easier :P

Also the graphics are sooooo bad. Even for a PS2 game. Been a while since I played Raidou 1 but this is ouch.

RevenantKioku · (10-23-2008, 11:17 PM)

Originally Posted by Bebpo:

Not quite.

Raidou 2 costs like $65

Raidou 2+ costs like $100 and comes with a new version of Nocturne that adds Raidou and his summons into the plot of Nocturne (probably replacing Dante because they don't have the license to use Dante anymore). $35 isn't really "free", but then again it's not just SMT3 but rather a new version of SMT3.

Personally I just got the dual package because going by Maniacs this might be worth a good penny in collector's value down the line. I don't really have the time to replay all of SMT3 for what's probably 30 mins worth of additions.

Details, details. I'll pretend it is the box art that cost me the extra $35 and Maniax was still free. Point is I got Maniax for cheap with a cooler character than Dante included. Win/win!

diablopanqueque · (10-23-2008, 11:25 PM)

Any links to a video showing Raidou in the new Maniax?

Shanks · (10-23-2008, 11:29 PM)

Why is this so expensive even by itself? I'm pretty sure the original Raidou wasn't exactly popular to begin with. Sent to die?

alske · (10-23-2008, 11:31 PM)

My copy shipped from NCSX today. Though I've currently got Disgaea 3, Fable 2 and Castlevania to play... I better hurry up, cause once I get this those will all get sidelined.

RevenantKioku · 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by Shanks:

Why is this so expensive even by itself? I'm pretty sure the original Raidou wasn't exactly popular to begin with. Sent to die?

Why is what so what? It's a special edition of a game in Japan. There is nothing out of line here.
Oh. Wait. The USD being a piece of poo at the moment is probably the situation here.

Aeana · (10-24-2008, 12:19 AM)

Is it bad that I'm more interested in playing this version of SMT3 before Raidou 2? :\

Bebpo · (10-24-2008, 12:20 AM)

Originally Posted by Shanks:

Why is this so expensive even by itself? I'm pretty sure the original Raidou wasn't exactly popular to begin with. Sent to die?

The normal price for a PS2 game over the last 8 years of PS2 lifetime has been 6800yen + tax is around 7100. Big games like rpgs are 7800 or 8200yen after tax.

7100yen has been around $60-70 depending on the exchange rate.

Originally Posted by Aeana:

Is it bad that I'm more interested in playing this version of SMT3 before Raidou 2? :\

Probably, since it's just Maniacs with model change.

This is my 3rd time buying SMT3 and I have very, very little interest in playing it again despite it being one of the best rpgs on the PS2.

Then again you don't like a-rpgs so you probably won't like Raidou 2 :\

Shanks · (10-24-2008, 12:25 AM)

Originally Posted by Bebpo:

The normal price for a PS2 game over the last 8 years of PS2 lifetime has been 6800yen + tax is around 7100. Big games like rpgs are 7800 or 8200yen after tax.

7100yen has been around $60-70 depending on the exchange rate.

Probably, since it's just Maniacs with model change.

This is my 3rd time buying SMT3 and I have very, very little interest in playing it again despite it being one of the best rpgs on the PS2.

Then again you don't like a-rpgs so you probably won't like Raidou 2 :\

Alright. Just seemed kinda awkward at first thought.

NotMSRP · (10-24-2008, 12:28 AM)

Is Hee-ho doll a preorder bonus? Those two items besides the plush doll?

RevenantKioku · (10-24-2008, 12:29 AM)

I got no doll. Is that a Jack Raidou? Holy shit. Awesome. :(

ACiD · (10-24-2008, 12:52 AM)

Originally Posted by RevenantKioku:

I got no doll. Is that a Jack Raidou? Holy shit. Awesome. :(

Comes with the game if you buy off konamistyle.jp

Aeana · (10-24-2008, 12:54 AM)

Originally Posted by ACiD:

Comes with the game if you buy off konamistyle.jp

Yeah, it's the Konamistyle bonus.

Yaweee · (10-24-2008, 01:26 AM)

Originally Posted by RevenantKioku:

I got no doll. Is that a Jack Raidou? Holy shit. Awesome. :(

Rai-ho was a hidden character in Raidou 1's Hard Mode.

RevenantKioku · (10-24-2008, 01:28 AM)

Originally Posted by Yaweee:

Rai-ho was a hidden character in Raidou 1's Hard Mode.

Thank you?

Yaweee · (10-24-2008, 02:03 AM)

Originally Posted by RevenantKioku:

Thank you?

Well, you called him a 'Jack Raidou', so I was just bringing up that it's an actual character from the series

RevenantKioku · (10-24-2008, 02:29 AM)

Originally Posted by Yaweee:

Well, you called him a 'Jack Raidou', so I was just bringing up that it's an actual character from the series

Well, maybe that's what he should be called!
I just don't touch the hard modes in these games, so I never saw him.

NotMSRP · (10-24-2008, 08:00 AM)

Any import sellers selling this konamistyle version of DS2:KR vs KA+?

Playasia restocked Persona 4 konamistyle edition.

RevenantKioku · (10-24-2008, 09:41 AM)

Konamistyle? What? this is an Atlus game? O_o

chandoog · (10-24-2008, 09:52 AM)

and word on a US release for this game ?

Volcynika · (10-24-2008, 02:34 PM)

Originally Posted by chandoog:

and word on a US release for this game ?

Not yet, but Atlus has just started announcing their early 2009 lineup (Ys DS in Feb 2009), so you can start hoping.

charlequin · (10-24-2008, 06:59 PM)

Originally Posted by chandoog:

and word on a US release for this game ?

Atlus isn't exactly swimming in huge ginormous hit titles to localize. I think it's generally pretty unlikely that almost any reasonably major title out of R&D1 won't come out here (although I wouldn't expect the redone Maniax to show up in the US.)

Shanks · (10-24-2008, 07:21 PM)

Originally Posted by charlequin:

Atlus isn't exactly swimming in huge ginormous hit titles to localize. I think it's generally pretty unlikely that almost any reasonably major title out of R&D1 won't come out here (although I wouldn't expect the redone Maniax to show up in the US.)

Which fails, I want that new version. Cmon Atlus! You know you want to!

Link1110 · (10-24-2008, 10:17 PM)

Originally Posted by Yaweee:

Rai-ho was a hidden character in Raidou 1's Hard Mode.

Rai-Ho? If they have a character named that, I wonder if they'll do Rei-ho eventually.

And why is it that the plus version doesn't have the soundtrack. They should have made the regular version the same amount of money if they're just switching out one bonus for another.

KibblesBits · (10-24-2008, 10:24 PM)

Originally Posted by Link1110:

Rai-Ho? If they have a character named that, I wonder if they'll do Rei-ho eventually.

It's been a long time since I've seen a female jack frost...
Weren't they fond of pink?

Link1110 · (10-25-2008, 12:20 AM)

I haven't played any Devil Summoner game extensively since the first one, but there's plenty of references top that one already. The office is in Yarai (and right next to the entrance of the area where it is,) I'm going to a dungeon brought into the other world now, and Victor's in it, but I know he was in Soul Hackers.

Is Kyouji the 15th or 16th Kuzunoha if Raidou's the 14th?

NichM · (10-25-2008, 12:26 AM)

Originally Posted by Link1110:

I haven't played any Devil Summoner game extensively since the first one, but there's plenty of references top that one already. The office is in Yarai (and right next to the entrance of the area where it is,) I'm going to a dungeon brought into the other world now, and Victor's in it, but I know he was in Soul Hackers.

Is Kyouji the 15th or 16th Kuzunoha if Raidou's the 14th?

Raidou is specifically Raidou Kuzunoha the 14th, not just the 14th Kuzunoha, and it seems to be a position that's earned, not inherited through family lines. There are four Great Summoners of the Kuzunoha clan whose names are passed down: Raidou and presumably Kyouji are two of them.

sprsk · (10-25-2008, 12:37 AM)

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Link1110 · (10-25-2008, 01:25 AM)

Originally Posted by sp0rsk:

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Why Devil Summoner 2? You realize this is the 4th game in the Devil Summoner series, right?

Yaweee · (10-25-2008, 01:34 AM)

Originally Posted by NichM:

Raidou is specifically Raidou Kuzunoha the 14th, not just the 14th Kuzunoha, and it seems to be a position that's earned, not inherited through family lines. There are four Great Summoners of the Kuzunoha clan whose names are passed down: Raidou and presumably Kyouji are two of them.

(spoilers from previous games and from the promotional material/magazine articles for Raidou 2)

The four families are supposedly

-Raidou, of course
-Geirin, introduced in Raidou 2
-Ryouji, from the first two DS games
-Rei Reiho's line. I guess she was a character in the other ones? Somebody said it was confirmed in some other media, but I'm not familiar with what the hell they were talking about.

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The soundtrack is as awesome as expected. Based on Atlus' PS2 record, the odds of itnot being included with the US release are slim to none, but please please please do it. It seems like quite a few tracks are used exactly from the original, but the new ones are almost all great, especially Everyday Detective Agency, Decisive Battle, and the Final Battle. It generally sounds like the instrument samples are of a higher quality, but I could be mistaken.

sprsk · (10-25-2008, 03:01 AM)

Originally Posted by Link1110:

Why Devil Summoner 2? You realize this is the 4th game in the Devil Summoner series, right?

I needed to put a number on it and 2 just felt right.

Bebpo · (10-25-2008, 04:25 AM)

Originally Posted by Link1110:

Why Devil Summoner 2? You realize this is the 4th game in the Devil Summoner series, right?

Yeah, but no one called the last one DS3.
I try to stick with Raidou 2 but I'll call it DS2 sometimes just out of habit.

I mean these DS games are nothing like the old DS games in terms of gameplay or setting. It's almost like two seperate franchises.

Yaweee · (10-25-2008, 06:17 AM)

Who wanted a video of Raidou vs. Hitoshura?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0X06bzRieE

No word on any other real changes to the game. The opening movie has been switched around to remove Dante footage, and there's some stat bonuses if you import a save file from an older version, but I haven't heard of anything else.

BudokaiMR2 · (10-25-2008, 07:16 AM)

So wait, Dante is removed from this version of Maniax? Has that been confirmed?