DJ Max portable Devs stops development of DJ MAX BlackSquare because of piracy

farnham · (10-23-2008, 04:24 PM)

http://sijin.egloos.com/page/2
http://ruliweb2.empas.com/ruliboard/...e_psp&main=psp

Apparently someone has put an ISO of DJ MAX Clazziquai Edition as soon it was released

The DJ MAX devs responded rather drastically and stopped the development of Black Square

They said that they wont release it or continue to develop it until the piracy problem is getting better..

Wow just wow

neojubei · (10-23-2008, 04:25 PM)

That's bad.

LuCkymoON · (10-23-2008, 04:29 PM)

wow
Thats a drastic measure. =(

Fuu · (10-23-2008, 04:30 PM)

Damn...

But were the DJ Max games turning a profit? Although I don't think that's the issue here, it seems they just got really pissed about the game being pirated.

Easy_D · (10-23-2008, 04:32 PM)

Their reasoning is "Let's screw the people who want to buy the game over and give people a bigger reason to pirate it"

Good going guys

. Can't be too fun for the fans :|

dallow_bg · (10-23-2008, 04:33 PM)

Wish more companies did this.

fronn · (10-23-2008, 04:35 PM)

:(

Sad that PSP is at that point... It's my favorite hand held system by far, but the lack of new software and the piracy problem are pretty damning.

bryehn · (10-23-2008, 04:36 PM)

Move it to consoles?

DJ Crimson · (10-23-2008, 04:38 PM)

Just release it on the damn PlayStation Store, although I'm sure that won't even solve it. :(

MadFuzzy · (10-23-2008, 04:38 PM)

Originally Posted by bryehn:

Move it to consoles?

Do it as a downloadable PSP title for PSN?

Mejilan · (10-23-2008, 04:40 PM)

DJMP3 is out already?! I need to get it.

If the games are profitable, this is a stupid move. If not, then I can understand why they'd cancel the next edition. Then again, if they were not profitable, I can't imagine why they'd greenlight 4 unique versions, and 2 revisions.

Durante · (10-23-2008, 04:43 PM)

Originally Posted by bryehn:

Move it to consoles?

If they are that upset by piracy the only choice would be PS3. (Or as a downloadable on PSN. Live is out for size reasons)

But really, as Alaluef says, this doesn't make much sense.

Fuu · (10-23-2008, 04:43 PM)

Originally Posted by bryehn:

Move it to consoles?

Originally Posted by MadFuzzy:

Do it as a downloadable PSP title for PSN?

An ilegal copy would still exist on the internet.

Edit: Beaten by Durante.

Originally Posted by Mejilan:

DJMP3 is out already?! I need to get it.

If the games are profitable, this is a stupid move. If not, then I can understand why they'd cancel the next edition. Then again, if they were not profitable, I can't imagine why they'd greenlight 4 unique versions, and 2 revisions.

That's what I don't get. If you're making money with a game even with some people pirating, is it really a good decision to stop producing it and make no money at all? It hurts the fans more than it hurts the pirates.

dallow_bg · (10-23-2008, 04:47 PM)

Port to PSN. Good idea!

freddy · (10-23-2008, 04:47 PM)

"Damn these pirates are cutting into our profits badly. Anyone have a plan?!!"

"Well what if we don't make any profit at all Boss, then they can't steal it."

"Win!!!"

LAMBO · (10-23-2008, 04:55 PM)

Cutting off your nose to spite your face.

toneroni · (10-23-2008, 04:57 PM)

Tiktaalik · (10-23-2008, 05:10 PM)

Originally Posted by dallow_bg:

Wish more companies did this.

Yes I too wish no games were ever released.

dallow_bg · (10-23-2008, 05:11 PM)

Originally Posted by Tiktaalik:

Yes I too wish no games were ever released.

Pretty much. Or moved to PS3.

HamPster PamPster · (10-23-2008, 05:16 PM)

Well it looks like they found the one 100% effective anti-drm tool

It sucks for them I suppose because I assume they wanted "gamers" to be upset at the pirates but if this thread is any indication gamers are just going to be mad at the company

The Faceless Master · (10-23-2008, 05:20 PM)

Originally Posted by HamPster PamPster:

Well it looks like they found the one 100% effective anti-drm tool

It sucks for them I suppose because I assume they wanted "gamers" to be upset at the pirates but if this thread is any indication gamers are just going to be mad at the company

anyone who has been around knows that this tactic never works to pull sympathy in your favor.

people just see it as the angry kid taking their ball and going home because someone gave him a hard foul and he wants his free throws, but everyone else says toughen up and play on, the foul wasn't that bad.

a few people will agree, but most will be like "whatever... why are you punishing me for what somene else did?!?"

Vorador · (10-23-2008, 05:23 PM)

This is retarded. It reminds me of the translation/mod projects that are canned because some assholes dick around.

_dementia · (10-23-2008, 05:23 PM)

I always thought the DJMP games were unplayable without a UMD?

LiK · (10-23-2008, 05:23 PM)

devs: "take that bitches"

and i agree, PSN is the way to go. at least we'll get a nice HD version of those videos.

Vorador · (10-23-2008, 05:26 PM)

Originally Posted by _dementia:

I always thought the DJMP games were unplayable without a UMD?

Not really. The savegames are incompatible between different copies of the game (i guess to avoid cheating with the score), but nothing more.

bryehn · (10-23-2008, 05:27 PM)

Originally Posted by Alaluef:

An ilegal copy would still exist on the internet.

Not even close to the amount of PSP ISOs though, even as a Wii game or a PS2 one.

A PSN release or PS3 disc edition would be the best way for them to go really

Fuu · (10-23-2008, 05:31 PM)

Originally Posted by HamPster PamPster:

It sucks for them I suppose because I assume they wanted "gamers" to be upset at the pirates but if this thread is any indication gamers are just going to be mad at the company

More like disappointed. And even if gamers got mad at the pirates, what would that resolve?

Originally Posted by bryehn:

Not even close to the amount of PSP ISOs though, even as a Wii game or a PS2 one.

There is a ISO on the internet for every Wii and PS2 game. Also DS and 360. The PS3 is for now the only current gen one that's immune to this.

Originally Posted by bryehn:

A PSN release or PS3 disc edition would be the best way for them to go really

For no piracy, yes.

The Faceless Master · (10-23-2008, 05:39 PM)

Originally Posted by Alaluef:

More like disappointed. And even if gamers got mad at the pirates, what would that resolve?

There is a ISO on the internet for every Wii and PS2 game. Also DS and 360. The PS3 is for now the only current gen one that's immune to this.

For no piracy, yes.

pretty sure there's isos on the internet for every PS3 game too... it's just that they can't be played

Fuu · (10-23-2008, 05:42 PM)

You know what I meant.

Riskbreaker23 · (10-23-2008, 05:43 PM)

PSN title w/ remote play is the clear option

Oldschoolgamer · (10-23-2008, 05:47 PM)

Good job? Why fuck with the people that support you that way?

Cromulent_Word · (10-23-2008, 05:54 PM)

doh, my close friend contributes tunes to DJM. shitty for him that it gets pirated so quick, and shittier that he potentially wont have more DJM to contribute to.

Hcoregamer00 · (10-23-2008, 05:54 PM)

Originally Posted by dallow_bg:

Wish more companies did this.

So basically you want all PSP development halted?

zoku88 · (10-23-2008, 05:55 PM)

Wow, they must've been pretty angry.

But they said,, "until the piracy problem is resolved", does that mean better anti-piracy things or just until ppl stop pirating?

Originally Posted by Hcoregamer00:

So basically you want all PSP development halted?

And every non-PS3 game :P

GitarooMan · (10-23-2008, 05:56 PM)

I wish it would be a wake-up call to Sony to get their shit together on PSP and tighten that shit up. No one doubts that piracy exists on nearly every console (save maybe PS3) but I also think most wouldn't argue that its worse on PSP than any other console (except maybe PC).

Drkirby · (10-23-2008, 05:57 PM)

Originally Posted by bryehn:

Not even close to the amount of PSP ISOs though, even as a Wii game or a PS2 one.

A PSN release or PS3 disc edition would be the best way for them to go really

There are PS3 disc ISOs on the internet, Pirates are just still trying to figure out how to get them to boot.

Also, you can extract a bookable version of an ISO from PSN releases.

M3wThr33 · (10-23-2008, 06:00 PM)

PSP PSN games are piratable, FYI. PS3 were, but that's died down.

ghibli99 · (10-23-2008, 06:13 PM)

LOL... wow, what a stupid kneejerk reaction from the devs. Guarantees I won't buy the Clazziquai version, either (and I love DJMP), as this punishes legit buyers.

zoku88 · (10-23-2008, 06:14 PM)

Originally Posted by ghibli99:

LOL... wow, what a stupid kneejerk reaction from the devs. Guarantees I won't buy the Clazziquai version, either (and I love DJMP), as this punishes legit buyers.

Aren't you punishing yourself even more by not buying Classiquai? :P

Ruprit · (10-23-2008, 06:16 PM)

Man, the day my copy of Clazziquai ships and then this. I'm not super surprised, even though it's very drastic, I always expected a game company to have a tantrum like this. It's media, it will get pirated. I was really excited for this too.

LiK · (10-23-2008, 06:17 PM)

Originally Posted by Ruprit:

Man, the day my copy of Clazziquai ships and then this. I'm not super surprised, even though it's very drastic, I always expected a game company to have a tantrum like this. It's media, it will get pirated. I was really excited for this too.

well, their reaction shouldn't sway you, my copy shipped as well and i'm looking forward to it.

Ruprit · (10-23-2008, 06:24 PM)

Originally Posted by LiK:

well, their reaction shouldn't sway you, my copy shipped as well and i'm looking forward to it.

Not at all, I'm still pumped for Clazziquai. Whenever the devs decide to make another DJ MAX, I will buy that also. It's just sad that people pirate media and it's sad that a company would take such measures.

DMPrince · (10-23-2008, 06:35 PM)

Put it on the PSP store duh. that's what they should have done from the start.

M3wThr33 · (10-23-2008, 06:37 PM)

Originally Posted by DMPrince:

Put it on the PSP store duh. that's what they should have done from the start.

PSP PSN titles are all pirated now.

typo · (10-23-2008, 06:43 PM)

Originally Posted by M3wThr33:

PSP PSN titles are all pirated now.

Serious? WTF?

If Sony said they were going to scrap the PSP for a next-generation handheld, I'd probably support them at this point.

Mejilan · (10-23-2008, 06:45 PM)

Yeah, I hadn't realized that PSN downloads were shattered.

CamHostage · (10-23-2008, 07:17 PM)

Originally Posted by GitarooMan:

I wish it would be a wake-up call to Sony to get their shit together on PSP and tighten that shit up. No one doubts that piracy exists on nearly every console (save maybe PS3) but I also think most wouldn't argue that its worse on PSP than any other console (except maybe PC).

They have no means. Going after pirates online in different nations is near impossible, and there's not really much means of securing the PSP that won't jeopardize the system. Hackers can already pull every bit of code out of firmware updates, so Sony's stuck trying to fight this impossible battle while at the same time enraging the semi-legit homebrew community (which seems to incite hackers, who are then exploited by pirates...)

Originally Posted by M3wThr33:

PSP PSN titles are all pirated now.

Really? I hadn't seen anything about the encryption being broken, only that PS1 games can be shelled. Is it really that bad that downloadable product can be de-keyed and posted by pirates?

Strider2K99 · (10-23-2008, 07:23 PM)

Originally Posted by M3wThr33:

PSP PSN titles are all pirated now.

So you're saying I can find, say, Echochrome download out there somewhere? That's crazy.

dallow_bg · (10-23-2008, 07:32 PM)

Originally Posted by Strider2K99:

So you're saying I can find, say, Echochrome download out there somewhere? That's crazy.

Yup, this was a long time ago too.

maxax · (10-23-2008, 07:33 PM)

Originally Posted by Strider2K99:

So you're saying I can find, say, Echochrome download out there somewhere? That's crazy.

Echochrome is on UMD in EU, so you could find it either way. :/